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TL,DR: A very intriguing substance that I look forward to exploring more. Not a powerhouse psychedelic by any means, based on my first go at it, but a worthwhile experience nonetheless.
Dosage: 70mg
ROA: Oral
Duration: Approximately 10 hours (11am-9pm)
Other substances consumed: weed, beer
Background: I am very experienced with tryptamines (mainly mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MET) and lysergamides (mainly LSD-25). Experience with psychedelic phenethylamines is limited to about dozen trips with 2C-B, which is a substance I thoroughly loved my time with. I've also taken many other substances but don't think that's relevant for this report.
My last trip before this was 200ug of AL-LAD about 3 weeks prior.
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After lurking for a long time, I've decided to register an account to post this experience. If you also use Reddit, you will have seen the same post over there too. I wasn't keeping super close track of the time, it's more of a general overview and retrospective. I am not normally one to write these things but I know this isn't a well-documented chemical so I wanted to (hopefully) contribute to the collective knowledge pool on this one. I want to especially thank Xorkoth and Kaleida as their trip reports were of great guidance, not just here but with many other psychedelics too (and phenibut, in Xorkoth's case).
Now on to the report itself...
The 4C-D came as a very fine powder with a crystalline shimmer to it. After performing an allergy test and reading up on the experiences of others, I opted to begin with 70mg. The PsychonautWiki page for this substance is still a work in progress but did have some dosage info that wasn't there the last time I had looked. They list the "strong" range as being between 60-100mg. I think it took this orally with water at around 11:00 AM on Sunday. I had eaten a banana about 2 hours before and otherwise had an empty stomach.
It tasted...alright, all things considered; I've definitely had worse. I wanted to trip early in the day because I am a bit sensitive to residual stimulation and didn't want to be kept up all night (learned this lesson many times with acid). In retrospect, this was a smart call as the experience went on a bit longer than I thought it might.
Full disclosure: I had smoked a joint a couple hours prior...and because I was stoned, I forgot I had smoked a joint, and proceeded to smoke another one about 5 minutes after I dropped. I had fully intended to smoke some weed anyway but was going to wait until after the peak. I know that this coloured the experience and I know that some people don't find as much value in a trip report like this because of this fact but it is what it is. I personally always take weed with my psychedelics and it's never caused any problems for me so I wasn't worried about it, especially given the reports of how mild the substance is.
First signs were noticed before 12:00 PM hit, I think it was around 11:30 AM when I was positive that I was coming up, My first impressions were that I had become extremely relaxed, just insanely mellow and at peace. The come up was largely gentle and very gradual. While I was coming up, I played some guitar for an hour or so, mostly improvising in an instrumental folk style. I noticed that I was really in the zone, playing somewhat-difficult things without making many mistakes and I was able to easily articulate my ideas and progressions without having to pause. Overall, I was extremely satisfied with the experience.
After snapping out of the musical trance I was in, I noticed that the 4C-D was making itself very known with a palpable body buzz and mild OEV visuals. This was somewhere around 12:30 PM or so. I knew that the come up was still in progress though I had a gut feeling that it wasn't going to develop significantly more than what I was feeling then. I was partially right--it definitely kept building longer than expected but was never overwhelming. The visuals were mostly outlines of things drifting away from the objects. I became captivated by the light streaming through the branches of the trees just outside my bedroom window. The light had a gentle pulse to it and shifted between white and gold tones. It looked like how I felt inside, calm and serene, and I sat there for a while, various thoughts tricking through my mind.
I was beginning to get a bit restless then as I was trying to decide what to do with my day. I opted for my old standby which is going for a long walk and listening to music. Because of this, I was mobile for the bulk of the middle part of the trip. The intensity of the visuals seemed to be reaching its peak around the 2-2.5 hour mark but because I was moving around, it was hard to get a gauge on it. I will stay at home next time to get a better sense of these. I felt a little bit anxious, which I attribute to the joint I smoked on the come up. I rolled another one for later using a high CBD strain.
I hit the streets with some epic tunes flowing into my head. I started with Robot Koch's newest release The Next Billion Years. It's a very atmospheric, cinematic album and the sort of sweeping soundscape that I like when tripping. I got intensely into my listening experience and was utterly captivated from start to finish. I had a hard time figuring out what to put on after this but eventually started listening through jazz trumpeter Matthew Halsall's discography, starting with Fletcher Moss Park. This was an incredible choice and the energy in the recordings absolutely took me to another place. At this time, I decided to smoke the joint I'd rolled before leaving. The CBD relaxed me even further while the low THC content did provide a slight boost to the visual distortions and body feeling.
I disappeared inside the music and my thoughts. My mind began to produce very vivid images of the things I was thinking about but conveyed as metaphors. One image was particularly impactful, where I conceived of a glass of fine whiskey sitting on an antique wood table in a library-style setting. The imagery represented the idea of how when I return to thoughts and concepts on subjects I've previously considered, it was like clearing the dust out of a part of my mind; pouring out another glass of the whiskey was the pleasure taken in coming back to these thoughts and it only got better with time and the ability to appreciate it. The picture in my mind was very vivid, I could see every detail clearly.
Before I knew it, some time had passed and it was coming up on 5:00 PM. As I was coming back home, I noted that I had walked a hair over 20km that afternoon. I was neither tired or energetic by this point, still very relaxed. On the way home, I picked up a few of one of my favourite sour beer. Once home, I had some food (neutral experience), drank the beer over the course of the rest of the night, and also consumed more weed. I continued to listen to jazz for the rest of the night before switching to something more ambient as I wound down.
The effects eased off as slowly as they came on and I would actually say that I enjoyed the come down. I didn't feel drained or have much muscle tension in my body (something acid and tryptamines often do to me). I didn't feel the need to take any magnesium as I might normally. Around 9:30 PM or so, I felt that the vast majority of observable effects had subsided, though I still knew I was slightly "altered."
I fell asleep without issue by 10:00 PM and slept soundly until my alarm went off at 6:30 AM. I could still feel an afterglow-type effect for the first part of the week. Prior to my trip, I'd been dealing with a lot of shit in my life and had just resolved much of it in the days before taking the 4C-D. The one thing I really noticed about the 4C-D was how still it made my normally racing mind, like my thoughts were raging winds and the 4C-D closed a door to keep them out. LSD has given me this feeling before too, when I've used it for self-improvement.
Above all of the other things I felt, this particular effect instantly made me a fan of the 4C-D and I nowy want to explore it further both at a higher dose and also at a lower dose. I feel that at dosages comparable to what Shulgin tried, there could be great therapeutic potential in this substance.
In conclusion: did this knock my socks off? No. Not in the same way that 200ug of LSD or 40mg of a tryptamine would. But I don't necessarily always prefer to have a heavy experience with psychedelics and find a lot of value in moderate dosages. When I explore it at a strong dose, I will probably go to 85mg and then 100mg. Based on the reports of others at this amount and how I felt taking 70mg, I do not anticipate any issues with this.
Feel free to ask questions if you'd like, I'll do my best to answer.
Thanks for reading!
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Dosage: 70mg
ROA: Oral
Duration: Approximately 10 hours (11am-9pm)
Other substances consumed: weed, beer
Background: I am very experienced with tryptamines (mainly mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MET) and lysergamides (mainly LSD-25). Experience with psychedelic phenethylamines is limited to about dozen trips with 2C-B, which is a substance I thoroughly loved my time with. I've also taken many other substances but don't think that's relevant for this report.
My last trip before this was 200ug of AL-LAD about 3 weeks prior.
_________________
After lurking for a long time, I've decided to register an account to post this experience. If you also use Reddit, you will have seen the same post over there too. I wasn't keeping super close track of the time, it's more of a general overview and retrospective. I am not normally one to write these things but I know this isn't a well-documented chemical so I wanted to (hopefully) contribute to the collective knowledge pool on this one. I want to especially thank Xorkoth and Kaleida as their trip reports were of great guidance, not just here but with many other psychedelics too (and phenibut, in Xorkoth's case).
Now on to the report itself...
The 4C-D came as a very fine powder with a crystalline shimmer to it. After performing an allergy test and reading up on the experiences of others, I opted to begin with 70mg. The PsychonautWiki page for this substance is still a work in progress but did have some dosage info that wasn't there the last time I had looked. They list the "strong" range as being between 60-100mg. I think it took this orally with water at around 11:00 AM on Sunday. I had eaten a banana about 2 hours before and otherwise had an empty stomach.
It tasted...alright, all things considered; I've definitely had worse. I wanted to trip early in the day because I am a bit sensitive to residual stimulation and didn't want to be kept up all night (learned this lesson many times with acid). In retrospect, this was a smart call as the experience went on a bit longer than I thought it might.
Full disclosure: I had smoked a joint a couple hours prior...and because I was stoned, I forgot I had smoked a joint, and proceeded to smoke another one about 5 minutes after I dropped. I had fully intended to smoke some weed anyway but was going to wait until after the peak. I know that this coloured the experience and I know that some people don't find as much value in a trip report like this because of this fact but it is what it is. I personally always take weed with my psychedelics and it's never caused any problems for me so I wasn't worried about it, especially given the reports of how mild the substance is.
First signs were noticed before 12:00 PM hit, I think it was around 11:30 AM when I was positive that I was coming up, My first impressions were that I had become extremely relaxed, just insanely mellow and at peace. The come up was largely gentle and very gradual. While I was coming up, I played some guitar for an hour or so, mostly improvising in an instrumental folk style. I noticed that I was really in the zone, playing somewhat-difficult things without making many mistakes and I was able to easily articulate my ideas and progressions without having to pause. Overall, I was extremely satisfied with the experience.
After snapping out of the musical trance I was in, I noticed that the 4C-D was making itself very known with a palpable body buzz and mild OEV visuals. This was somewhere around 12:30 PM or so. I knew that the come up was still in progress though I had a gut feeling that it wasn't going to develop significantly more than what I was feeling then. I was partially right--it definitely kept building longer than expected but was never overwhelming. The visuals were mostly outlines of things drifting away from the objects. I became captivated by the light streaming through the branches of the trees just outside my bedroom window. The light had a gentle pulse to it and shifted between white and gold tones. It looked like how I felt inside, calm and serene, and I sat there for a while, various thoughts tricking through my mind.
I was beginning to get a bit restless then as I was trying to decide what to do with my day. I opted for my old standby which is going for a long walk and listening to music. Because of this, I was mobile for the bulk of the middle part of the trip. The intensity of the visuals seemed to be reaching its peak around the 2-2.5 hour mark but because I was moving around, it was hard to get a gauge on it. I will stay at home next time to get a better sense of these. I felt a little bit anxious, which I attribute to the joint I smoked on the come up. I rolled another one for later using a high CBD strain.
I hit the streets with some epic tunes flowing into my head. I started with Robot Koch's newest release The Next Billion Years. It's a very atmospheric, cinematic album and the sort of sweeping soundscape that I like when tripping. I got intensely into my listening experience and was utterly captivated from start to finish. I had a hard time figuring out what to put on after this but eventually started listening through jazz trumpeter Matthew Halsall's discography, starting with Fletcher Moss Park. This was an incredible choice and the energy in the recordings absolutely took me to another place. At this time, I decided to smoke the joint I'd rolled before leaving. The CBD relaxed me even further while the low THC content did provide a slight boost to the visual distortions and body feeling.
I disappeared inside the music and my thoughts. My mind began to produce very vivid images of the things I was thinking about but conveyed as metaphors. One image was particularly impactful, where I conceived of a glass of fine whiskey sitting on an antique wood table in a library-style setting. The imagery represented the idea of how when I return to thoughts and concepts on subjects I've previously considered, it was like clearing the dust out of a part of my mind; pouring out another glass of the whiskey was the pleasure taken in coming back to these thoughts and it only got better with time and the ability to appreciate it. The picture in my mind was very vivid, I could see every detail clearly.
Before I knew it, some time had passed and it was coming up on 5:00 PM. As I was coming back home, I noted that I had walked a hair over 20km that afternoon. I was neither tired or energetic by this point, still very relaxed. On the way home, I picked up a few of one of my favourite sour beer. Once home, I had some food (neutral experience), drank the beer over the course of the rest of the night, and also consumed more weed. I continued to listen to jazz for the rest of the night before switching to something more ambient as I wound down.
The effects eased off as slowly as they came on and I would actually say that I enjoyed the come down. I didn't feel drained or have much muscle tension in my body (something acid and tryptamines often do to me). I didn't feel the need to take any magnesium as I might normally. Around 9:30 PM or so, I felt that the vast majority of observable effects had subsided, though I still knew I was slightly "altered."
I fell asleep without issue by 10:00 PM and slept soundly until my alarm went off at 6:30 AM. I could still feel an afterglow-type effect for the first part of the week. Prior to my trip, I'd been dealing with a lot of shit in my life and had just resolved much of it in the days before taking the 4C-D. The one thing I really noticed about the 4C-D was how still it made my normally racing mind, like my thoughts were raging winds and the 4C-D closed a door to keep them out. LSD has given me this feeling before too, when I've used it for self-improvement.
Above all of the other things I felt, this particular effect instantly made me a fan of the 4C-D and I nowy want to explore it further both at a higher dose and also at a lower dose. I feel that at dosages comparable to what Shulgin tried, there could be great therapeutic potential in this substance.
In conclusion: did this knock my socks off? No. Not in the same way that 200ug of LSD or 40mg of a tryptamine would. But I don't necessarily always prefer to have a heavy experience with psychedelics and find a lot of value in moderate dosages. When I explore it at a strong dose, I will probably go to 85mg and then 100mg. Based on the reports of others at this amount and how I felt taking 70mg, I do not anticipate any issues with this.
Feel free to ask questions if you'd like, I'll do my best to answer.
Thanks for reading!
Tagged by Xorkoth
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