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4-mmc + mdma + mda

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Crack4Lyfe

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Any dangers in taking these 3 substances together in one night? In which order should they be taken to get maximum effect?
 
In short, yes. All 3 are stimulants or have stimulant like propertys. So you will be putting a enormus strain on your heart and body in general, I tried the 4-mmc & MDMA combo last night and it was not to great, stimulant effects sort of overpowered anything else, some mild hallucinations but nothing special or really worth it. Also noticed the jaw clenching seemed to get much more severe and lasted a LONG time. Sleep was also hard work and even after smoking 4 spliffs and drinking a couple of cans there still was a rather nasty edge to it even at around 9AM this morning. Overall towards the end the whole experience just felt abit "dirty" tbh.
So yeah, would not recommend this particular combination. Just take them seperatly both MDA and MDMA are drugs in there own right, and personally I would just flush the 4-MMC as I am not a fan and actually threw away 0.5 earlier. Just feels really unclean imo.
Also the comedown has been pretty grim I am unhappy the report, have struggled controlling body temperature with hot and cold flushes and just generally feel abit abused both physically and mentally. :(
So yeah to summarize, DONT DO IT!
Hope this helps
Mike
 
Listen to michael, some stimulants that are not full-on can be combined without amounting to something that is easily too much... however 4-MMC should not be combined with other stimulants, period. And MDMA or MDA are best enjoyed in their own right.
If anything, I would only add (very small!) amounts of serotonin-releasers to MDMA to increase the 'love', but I have not tried that yet nor do I know if I ever really want to. If there is one thing I've concluded over the years is that stimulants tend to be heavy and bear a lot of negatives and risks if taken too far. And taking it too far is easily because they are acutely addictive and redosing or combining can be more appealing than is rationally justifiable.

Take them alone i.e. apart, if you want a serious rise then don't choose your initial dose too low - but be wary of redosing because with every redose the relative side-effects increase while the added value decreases.
 
I woudn't recommend mixing them at all. I am massive fan of both Mephedrone and MDMA but on the two occasions I mixed them, it wasn't great.

I'd recommend you save them for separate occasions.

If you insist on doing all in one night, leave 4-MMC until the end. :)
 
I don't know why but I felt diminished empathy when I combined the two. I didn't get any of the explosive euphoria from either 4-MMC nor MDMA. The "magic" was missing. Granted, it was a euphoric experience but nothing like I expected. I was also extremely jittery, sweaty (uncomfortably so) and felt quite nauseous. That was when I was doing lines of 4-MMC whilst peaking on MDMA.

4-MMC on the tail-end of an MDMA trip is alright. The 4-MMC doesn't feel as euphoric as it usually would but that's likely because whislt peaking on the MDMA I used up a lot of my serotonin.
 
I can not be entirley sure why he said to leave 4-MMC to the end, but my guess would be because in my experience atleast the 4-MMC rather overpowered the MDMA and im guessing would do the same with MDA just essentially leaving you a stimulated mess! SO enjoy the other chems first, then just take the 4-MMC as abit of a boost at the end.
Also it may be due to the fact 4-MMC has the shortest duration of the 3 listed with insufflated doses starting to drop off around the 1 hour mark. Whereas both MDA and MDMA are at around the 3-6 hour depending on ROI, if it is the end of the night your probably not going to wanna have to be going for another 6 hours before you can get any shut eye!
These are of course just theories I have, but idk maybe they will be useful!?
Oh yeah and to the OP, if you do decide to do this cocktail PLEASE PLEASE ensure you have a good supply of weed on hand, Chances are the last couple of hours are going to be VERY drawn out and painful if you dont!
Mike
 
Indeed. 4-MMC and MDMA just do NOT synergise well at all, pity. On paper it sounds like a brilliant combo, yeah?

I said leave 4-MMC until the end as if you were to take the MDMA after already smashing Mephedrone for a few hours, you'd probably not get the massive magical peak on the MDMA. Additionally, I personally do not like redosing at all with MDMA as doing so wipes me out for 48 hours. I can redose on 4-MMC 'til I'm blue in the knees! :D
 
literally you'd probably be better off just doing meth if you really want to be THAT stimulated.
 
^ hahaa yeah, from what ive heard meth comedowns are pretty unforgiving! However I have to say, after the 4-MMC & MDMA combo from last night I have felt EXTRODINARLY shit today! As stated earlier, I have been suffering from hot and cold flushes, I also seem to be having very subtle but noticeable heart flutters :/ I would also like to point out I STILL have some mild jaw clenching although it has calmed down alot and this is around 14 or so hours after last dose! Also mentally I am rather retarded! I struggled to count how many hours since my last dose and ended up having to use my fingers due to definite drop in short term memory, however the weed may have contributed to this. And just generally do not feel very with it. Also physical fatigue seems much stronger than just a MDMA comedown alone, I had to walk to the shop a minute ago to buy some ciggarettes which is just down the road about 200M there so 400M total and when I got back I had to physically lie down!
I hope the OP reads this, and chooses to listen to rather than ignore or our warnings about this combination! IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED, PLEASE DONT DO IT.
OH yeah as a little extra info for everyone:
Dose: MDMA (crystal): 150mg oral
MDMA: 50mg insufflated (T = 45 min)
4-MMC: 100mg insufflated (T = 1.15)
4-MMC: 50mg insufflated (T = 1.45)
Also the hallucinations I experienced for anyone intrested where when holding a beer bottle I could see 3! And also a book about mushrooms was left on the table and the mushrooms began to sprout out the book. Other than that, just enhanced colours and some tracers at peak.
Would also like to point out that delerium set in towards the end of the experience and spiders could be seen in the corners of my eyes. This was at around 7-8AM in the morning.
I hope this report is enough to make you reconsider and instead treat each chemical seperatly and with respect!
Mike
 
One thing to remember is if you do combine them, keep your doses much lower than normal, If you combine all three, I'd shoot for less than 1/3 of your usual dose for each, even lower if your doses are normally quite big - they will potentiate each other exponentially, but one thing you have to remember is these substances are all releasing a lot of serotonin, so taking the doses too high in the combination could lead to Serotonin Syndrome, something that can be dangerous and even fatal.

I honestly think even 50mg of each would be an incredible strain on the heart and body, and wouldn't recommend it. If you must combine, stick to two of them, and halve your usual doses for each :)
 
I did a 4-MMC and MDMA mix and just looked like an incoming A&E patient. Randomers kept asking me if I was ok. Was stumbling around, felt pretty fucked up!
 
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