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(4-ho-MiPT-10mg)+(4-ho-DiPT-10mg)+(DPT)+(DMT) - experienced: Tripped out of existence

chaosbydesign

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Just the basics:
Substances: 4-ho-MiPT, 4-ho-DiPT, DPT & DMT
Mindset: adventurous, happy, free
Gender: F
Weight: 95lbs
Background: Experienced with many different psychedelics, LOVE tryptamines particularly, general low tolerance to psychedelics (dose-sensitive).

The experience:

On this special occasion, my friend and I decided to have a sort of "tryptamine tea party". We planned to ingest the following substances over a period of about 5-6 hours: 4-ho-MiPT, 4-ho-DiPT, DPT and DMT.

The 4-ho-MiPT and 4-ho-DiPT were pretty wonderful together (~10mg of each)- actually very complementary and deep. I remember talking to my friend G (who was taking all of the same substances I was, but in slightly higher doses as he has a higher tolerance) during the more lucid waves of the trip, and then being more 'floored' when the more intense waves hit, which we were quiet during. This was when we had just done these two substances together, before adding the DPT. I felt very tranced out and those electric, pleasant tryptamine surges were running through my body from the MiPT counterpart and the shamanic trancelike effects of the DiPT counterpart.

After having the first dose of DPT (~20mg insufflated) about 2 hours after dropping the first two substances, things got very SHARP, excruciatingly intense and crisply visual. The trippiness of everything, both visually and psychologically, felt very fresh and sharp and almost threatening in a way, but I still somehow enjoyed being overtaken completely. After the DPT leveled off the first time, we decided to have another dose.

When the second dose started to kick in, I remember feeling *so* overwhelmed this time that I began to feel almost uncomfortable. As much as I wish I could report on the details of what I experienced, it is still quite difficult. At the time, I really had no idea what to make of what I was experiencing (I don't think 'I' was even there to really comprehend it much), and it was all so abstract that I don't remember a whole lot of it really. I felt the past stages of the room I was in, and it felt like it was wise beyond the time we were spending in it. It was as if the energies of all the people who had inhabited the room in the past (mostly elderly people) were swirling together and invading my mind state. I experienced a lot of "phantom memories" which I was not sure of where they had come, as they were certainly not of my own life. I was remembering various houses, climates, era feelings, anticipation for going on some sort of car ride… I don't even know! Just random memories that seemed to belong to someone else, most of which were actually kind of mundane.

I remember looking around the room and everything looked threatening for some reason. The visuals were so crisp and sharp that entire room seemed to be splitting into fragments. I remember feeling like I was a vessel in which God or some form of Divinity was using in order to conduct and manifest electrical energy through. Though this feeling kind of excited me sexually, it was also almost painful due to the sheer overwhelmingness of sensation and mental overload. One thing that bothered me was that I had a strong pressure in my head. This feeling worried me slightly. I tried to just trance out in order to not dwell on this worrying over my physical state. I also still wanted to have the DMT, but I wasn't thinking about it at this time, needless to say - I doubt this was the right time anyway because I know I wouldn't have been able to function enough to get the DMT pipe ready.

I do remember lapsing in and out of reality a couple of times and coming back to that strange sharp reality based on electricity, but I don't remember the process of slipping away completely. The trip must've gotten so intense that I just blacked out as my mind was completely unable to process what I was experiencing. I just remember waking up gradually at some time later, completely unaware of how much time had actually passed. I just remember finding myself awake at some point, and my other friend had come into the room (will call him L) and he was in front of me asking me questions about my roommate back at home, who was messaging him asking him what I was up to (I hadn't told her about my partaking in this trip). L wanted to ask me what it was that he should tell my roommate. I do remember eventually becoming aware that L was there, but I don't remember my thought process in how I realized that he was there or how the English language ended up making sense to me the more he spoke. When I finally became aware that I was awake, alive and had taken DPT and the other psychedelics, I still had no clue what had just happened during the blackout, where I had "been", where I was at the current moment or how to make sense of any of the words L was saying. When I realized that he was trying to speak to me, I had to ask him to repeat what he was saying maybe five times before I finally understood what he was asking. I attempted to answer him, but i kept forgetting what I was doing.

I eventually was able to answer him after about 10 minutes of attempting to make sense of what was going on. I began to become more lucid now. My friend G told me that he had been telling L that it was a bad idea to wake me up when I was in such a trance state, but I said it was okay. Then I told L, "Thanks for waking me up. I was going to have some DMT, but then I lost contact with reality." L found this to be rather funny since moments before, I hadn't even been able to answer him.

Now functional enough to undertake the task, I got the DMT ready and had about 4 or 5 hits. The experience I had was not very colorful, but it seemed like I was experiencing a complete other dimension. The room took on a different meaning and it seemed like an old lady was its inhabitant. I remember seeing (or perceiving in some way) balls of yarn, old lady-ish clothing, quilts, purses and other clothes or decorations that an old lady might have in her room. (None of these objects were distortions of real objects or actually existed in reality in any sense.) The whole room "felt" ancient and elderly as well. I enjoyed the dimension-warp. When I came back, I blasted off my friend G (quite relentlessly at that), and he seemed to really enjoy his experience. I started drifting off to sleep some time after this, as the DMT afterglow feeling really calmed down my body lots after I came down. I also took some xanax to help me to fall asleep.

To this day, my friend and I both talk about the "blackout" we experienced, as this was atypical for both of us. We both experienced the exact same thing after the second dose of DPT, and after we came down from it, we felt like we had been spending time together somewhere in another space/time. We can't remember anything else other than the way we felt when we came back.
 
I guess you can call it that, but I personally like to think about the process and *why* this happened, rather than just saying "it's amnesia.. simple as that".. But anyway, before this, I had only gotten the "psychedelic amnesia" effect at times when I was smoking DMT very frequently. So this was odd for me. And thanks :)
 
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Good trip report, kind of makes me want to try a "tryptamine tea party"

The DMT and the old lady reminds of a lot of DMT trips I have had that seemed to have a old ancient soul or spirit presence.
 
Tryptamine tea parties are the way to go! ;) Especially if you have real manna tea, peyotea or Aya... but this was awesome too!

Yes, I get that feeling a ton on DMT. Just the ancient spirit presence... mushrooms, too. I guess that the natural earth-made tryptamines give that feeling a lot. It's so alien yet familiar, isn't it?

Good trip report, kind of makes me want to try a "tryptamine tea party"

The DMT and the old lady reminds of a lot of DMT trips I have had that seemed to have a old ancient soul or spirit presence.
 
It's been a while since I've had mushrooms...but psilocin as a pure compound had a lot in common with (IMed) DMT. IMed psilocin...even morose and there is a VERY wise spirit in psilocin that Inspires AWE for me every time. I think I felt something of this ancient spirit presence on DMT but my DMT using days were in a psychedelic slump period for MGS....and I missed a lot of what tripping could offer. I had a foggy head back then, as it were.

Anyway, Is the ancient spirit presence on mushrooms similar to DMT for you...or ya mean ancient presence as in one for DMT and one for mushrooms?

To be honest, I think I only really noted an ancient earthy spirit on DMT once, this was an IMed dose, and back when the team was blowing games routinely.

Tryptamine tea parties are the way to go! ;) Especially if you have real manna tea, peyotea or Aya... but this was awesome too!

Yes, I get that feeling a ton on DMT. Just the ancient spirit presence... mushrooms, too. I guess that the natural earth-made tryptamines give that feeling a lot. It's so alien yet familiar, isn't it?
 
I noticed very very similar *feelings* and 'demeanors' in the entities I encountered on mushrooms and DMT. :) Felt so similar, and that feeling of there being some super-crisp magical world version draped directly over the normal version of reality was exactly the same on mushrooms and DMT. I have not gotten this feeling on any synthetic tryptamine besides maybe DPT perhaps (and only the sleek reality feeling; not the direct entity contact). I'm becoming much more interested in plant spirit tryptamines lately! :)
 
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Fantastic report CBD!! And I'd certainly agree with you on the parallels between DMT and mushrooms. It's often noted that they have an extremely similar molecular structure (there's one oxygen atom difference between dmt and psilocin). Rick Strassman himself has stated, “I like to think of psilocybin/psilocin as 'orally active DMT'”. Although I'm assuming he means “an orally active version of the DMT experience” as I find actual orally active DMT (DMT+harmalas) to feel completely different. But definitely...smoked DMT and mushrooms certainly feel synonymous to me, in regards to both entity contact and how one psychologically experiences reality.

And as a participant in this trip (I was “G”), I'd have to say it really didn't seem like an amnestic episode (and I'm quite familiar with black-out incidents in almost all areas of psychoactive use). 1. Unlike common amnesia episodes, I actually lost lucidity and sense of self (I noticed I “came-to” in nearly the same physical position as when I lost consciousness). 2. The entheogenic quality of the experience that was sensed upon awakening was profound...this is something that's never occurred to me in any of my other drug-based amnestic episodes (even those involving hallucinogens).

“Tripped out of existence” is probably the only accurate way I could describe the sensation (at least subjectively). This is something I've discussed with CBD recently...”breaking through” is often described as the pinnacle of the tryptamine experience (as popular models, such as the Peter Meyer “Levels of Experience”, would suggest)...but I believe there's a level beyond that. I searched around for other models or classic maps and eventually came across the Nicholas Sand model, which fit perfectly. This map had three levels as well, but listed “break through” as level two...whereas level three was described as... “Or you can go to a completely non-representative space of the rare “level three” state, where there is no light, no design, just the voice of God using your soul as a silent tuning fork.” This immediately clicked and seemed to be the most accurate representation of the trip.

I felt that since DPT worked more heavily on the ego than DMT, that it made it easier to achieve a Sand level 3 experience with that particular substance (also considering we had already consumed several hallucinogens prior to the DPT). And to try to get a better grasp on it, I looked for binding affinities regarding Dipropyltryptamine and found it has a high affinity for the 5-HT1A receptor site. 5-meo-dmt does as well, and I've read research studies stating that oxytocin release mediated by the 5-HT1A receptor could possibly be the cause of the social/“loved-up” aspects of MDMA. So there seems to be a lot of ego-dissolution at this site, which offers access to a whole new facet of psychedelic experiences for me. But it's a unique type of ego-dissolution (that I find heavily in both DPT and 5-meo-dmt)...usually I see ego-dissolution described in a monistic sense, as in “becoming one with everything”...but this seemed to be more of a Buddhist “extinguishing of the self”. It seemed extremely distinct when compared to almost every other trip I've taken part in. Dale Pendell once said, “What is the psychedelic experience but super Makyo”, and this is the first time that I've felt that I've transcended Makyo in a psychedelic situation. But at the same time, upon awakening I could tell that I shared the experience with CBD...as if, upon re-entering the self, I was immediately aware that she had also “tripped out of existence”. It was certainly a fascinating E.S.P.-like sensation. Definitely very profound and out-of-the-ordinary!

That's the best I can make of the trip so far. It's puzzled me ever since it's occurrence, but I've been putting more energy into trying to wrap my brain around it lately, and it's lead to a very positive and intriguing thought-space...opening up a lot of interesting ideas for me regarding the potential of psychedelics. And It's certainly one of my favorite trips I've had in years :D
 
Viṣakaṇṭha;11802562 said:
Fantastic report CBD!! And I'd certainly agree with you on the parallels between DMT and mushrooms. It's often noted that they have an extremely similar molecular structure (there's one oxygen atom difference between dmt and psilocin). Rick Strassman himself has stated, “I like to think of psilocybin/psilocin as 'orally active DMT'”. Although I'm assuming he means “an orally active version of the DMT experience” as I find actual orally active DMT (DMT+harmalas) to feel completely different. But definitely...smoked DMT and mushrooms certainly feel synonymous to me, in regards to both entity contact and how one psychologically experiences reality.
Yes! We were talking about this recently... that strange, otherworldly feeling that seems like a new reality is draped over the other one or a layer (or more) underneath. It's just such a bizarre feeling that I can't even put it into words to describe. All psychedelics can provoke an otherworldly feeling of course, but like I said, the natural tryptamines are the only ones where I get this. I've spoken to some other people about how damn similar smoked DMT was to a 2g mushroom trip I had, but they didn't seem to understand. During that mushroom trip, I spent hours just on the astral plane meeting and conversing with various entities! The conversations I had were way more lucid and less rushed than they are on smoked DMT, of course. It's crazy because I've tripped so many times but I only now am really getting into mushrooms more. :P That sort of experience on synthetic or isolated chemicals just can't be replicated in the way I am speaking of. It would be a super interesting experiment to identify all of the tryptamine alkaloids in mushrooms and synthesize them all... then one group could be administered the mushrooms as they are, and another group could be administered the mix of all the different tryptamine alkaloids in similar dosages. They could find out whether that sort of "entity presence" is still there on just the alkaloids without the mushrooms.

Viṣakaṇṭha;11802562 said:
And as a participant in this trip (I was “G”), I'd have to say it really didn't seem like an amnestic episode (and I'm quite familiar with black-out incidents in almost all areas of psychoactive use). 1. Unlike common amnesia episodes, I actually lost lucidity and sense of self (I noticed I “came-to” in nearly the same physical position as when I lost consciousness). 2. The entheogenic quality of the experience that was sensed upon awakening was profound...this is something that's never occurred to me in any of my other drug-based amnestic episodes (even those involving hallucinogens).
Yeah, definitely wasn't just amnesia... Upon waking, I felt like I had been somewhere else for aeons, working on something important... but I hadn't moved at all during the trance.

Viṣakaṇṭha;11802562 said:
“Tripped out of existence” is probably the only accurate way I could describe the sensation (at least subjectively). This is something I've discussed with CBD recently...”breaking through” is often described as the pinnacle of the tryptamine experience (as popular models, such as the Peter Meyer “Levels of Experience”, would suggest)...but I believe there's a level beyond that. I searched around for other models or classic maps and eventually came across the Nicholas Sand model, which fit perfectly. This map had three levels as well, but listed “break through” as level two...whereas level three was described as... “Or you can go to a completely non-representative space of the rare “level three” state, where there is no light, no design, just the voice of God using your soul as a silent tuning fork.” This immediately clicked and seemed to be the most accurate representation of the trip.
Ahh, that tuning fork thing- gets me every time! <3 Hehee. It does make sense that there would be something else, beyond all the pretty colors and visions. :P I mean, if the self is *thoroughly* devoid of ego, I would think it'd be impossible to observe those things and then talk about them.

Viṣakaṇṭha;11802562 said:
I felt that since DPT worked more heavily on the ego than DMT, that it made it easier to achieve a Sand level 3 experience with that particular substance (also considering we had already consumed several hallucinogens prior to the DPT). And to try to get a better grasp on it, I looked for binding affinities regarding Dipropyltryptamine and found it has a high affinity for the 5-HT1A receptor site. 5-meo-dmt does as well, and I've read research studies stating that oxytocin release mediated by the 5-HT1A receptor could possibly be the cause of the social/“loved-up” aspects of MDMA. So there seems to be a lot of ego-dissolution at this site, which offers access to a whole new facet of psychedelic experiences for me. But it's a unique type of ego-dissolution (that I find heavily in both DPT and 5-meo-dmt)...usually I see ego-dissolution described in a monistic sense, as in “becoming one with everything”...but this seemed to be more of a Buddhist “extinguishing of the self”. It seemed extremely distinct when compared to almost every other trip I've taken part in. Dale Pendell once said, “What is the psychedelic experience but super Makyo”, and this is the first time that I've felt that I've transcended Makyo in a psychedelic situation. But at the same time, upon awakening I could tell that I shared the experience with CBD...as if, upon re-entering the self, I was immediately aware that she had also “tripped out of existence”. It was certainly a fascinating E.S.P.-like sensation. Definitely very profound and out-of-the-ordinary!
Thanks for being my friend that I can talk about these things with!!! I'm going to try to put together a wealth of information on the different serotonin binding sites and try to figure out how they tie in to subjective states of consciousness as best I can. We should work on this project together- I bet you already have a ton of information!

Thanks sooo much for posting on here! <3 I hope that you are enjoying your time at Bluelight so far! :) And looking forward to our next journey.
 
You guys are having a great in-depth discussion here, but I would like to toss something out there:

I've blacked out on mushrooms before, as have a few of my friends. This is a separate experience from ego-death and also separate from the psychedelic amnesia. It only has happened to me on high doses, only once or twice, and in combination with other drugs. Once with 4-HO-MET and mushrooms at a festival and once at home with 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, and mushrooms. In both instances I noticed a lot of the ol' mushroom-yawns - much more yawning than normal. I also had severe "tryptamine shivers/jitters". Then, blackout and return to reality, no sense of time passing. Both times I was on the ground already, so no idea if I would have fallen had I been standing. I would assume so.
 
The old elusive DMT. Seems everyone here has tried it, except for me. Sigh. One day. Nice report, sir ma'am.
 
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Interesting- I wonder what caused that for you! Sounds like an entirely different experience you had, for it seems like you actually did black out for real, as in one second you're "here", next you weren't, and you said that you had no sense of time passing between. I've blacked out once before due to a sugar low and being in a hot shower combined, and it sounds similar to what you described (no sense of time passing and I fell to the ground..) but sounds nothing like the experience described in my post (as for us, it was more of a gradual lapse out of reality in waves instead of sudden, and it felt like eons had passed when we came back). Interesting to know that one can literally black out on psychedelics. This has only happened to you with unconventional drug concoctions, you say? And the yawning and extensive shivers seem to be an indicator? I know there are a ton of theories on yawning like "the brain is trying to get more oxygen"), but I don't know what to believe for sure.

Oh and another thing.. I noticed that both of your blackouts included ingestion of 4-ho-met with others. I have "mixed and matched" many different combinations of 4-sub tryptamines, and the *only* one I've ever had negative effects from combining with others has been 4-Ho-met. Both times I mixed this (once with 4-aco-dipt and once with 4-ho-mipt which I have mixed together many times and also taken both with 4-aco-dmt), I got excessive jitters, felt like my body temperature was higher than it should be, felt an odd head pressure and got really annoying and anxiety-provoking muscle spasms. One of those times, the muscle spasms (around my eyes) got so irritating that I decided to take benzos to get rid of them. These mixtures also had a very stimulating quality unlike any other time I've taken any of these tryptamines (I'm very much not a fan of stimulants). After this, I read a bit online of some others experiencing negative or unusual effects (and now your story too) from mixing the 4-ho-met with others. Hmmm... Thank you for sharing!


You guys are having a great in-depth discussion here, but I would like to toss something out there:
I've blacked out on mushrooms before, as have a few of my friends. This is a separate experience from ego-death and also separate from the psychedelic amnesia. It only has happened to me on high doses, only once or twice, and in combination with other drugs. Once with 4-HO-MET and mushrooms at a festival and once at home with 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, and mushrooms. In both instances I noticed a lot of the ol' mushroom-yawns - much more yawning than normal. I also had severe "tryptamine shivers/jitters". Then, blackout and return to reality, no sense of time passing. Both times I was on the ground already, so no idea if I would have fallen had I been standing. I would assume so.
 
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chaosbydesign said:
It's crazy because I've tripped so many times but I only now am really getting into mushrooms more. :P That sort of experience on synthetic or isolated chemicals just can't be replicated in the way I am speaking of. It would be a super interesting experiment to identify all of the tryptamine alkaloids in mushrooms and synthesize them all... then one group could be administered the mushrooms as they are, and another group could be administered the mix of all the different tryptamine alkaloids in similar dosages. They could find out whether that sort of "entity presence" is still there on just the alkaloids without the mushrooms.

It's awesome to see you're digging on the natural substances now!! I know you're the Tryptaqueen when it comes to Research Chemicals, but I was never sure if you were just as into things like Aya, shrooms, Peyote, etc. They really are fascinating! And two of the things I love about em are Plant Spirit interactions, and the fact that there's always so much more going on psychoactively than merely the specific chemical of interest. Mushrooms are a great example...I'd love to focus on species that have a high Baeocystin or Norbaeocystin content (I hear Ps. semilanceata is where it's at as far as Baeocystin is concerned). Although I remember Maria Sabina being very pleased with Albert Hoffman's gift of psilocybin pills (which, I think, is pretty momentous)...so maybe there is some truth to the idea of there being a magic to the alkaloids themselves. But even if that is the case, the natural alkaloids still do seem to trump the synthetics in almost every instance for me.

chaosbydesign said:
Ahh, that tuning fork thing- gets me every time! Hehee. It does make sense that there would be something else, beyond all the pretty colors and visions. :P I mean, if the self is *thoroughly* devoid of ego, I would think it'd be impossible to observe those things and then talk about them.

Yes indeed, the tuning fork is erotic to the max! And you're most certainly right, it definitely makes sense that a state beyond “break through” exists...it's just so strange that it's so rarely talked about, often even amongst professional psychonauts or in mapped out schemas of the tryptamine experience. It really does open up a whole new world of psychedelic potential though. Despite “Zig Zag Zen”, Leary's “psychedelic” translation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead, the hallucinogenic musings of Joan Halifax/Alan Watts/Vanja Palmers etc...I sometimes forget that psychedelics really are not conducive to traditional Buddhist metaphysics at all. Pendell was right on the money...mystical hallucinogenic experiences would certainly be viewed as an extreme form of Makyo. This never really bothered me as I don't hold much sympathy for Buddhist philosophy anymore...with the exception of Vajrayana (aka esoteric/tantric Buddhism), which i love. And considering that DPT is personally the most energy based tryptamine for me (tantric buddhism is known as the “Thunderbolt Vehicle”), it's extreme 5-HT1A ego-dissolution, and it's “relentless” eroticism ;) (and the fact that this eroticism can lead to a complete extinguishing of the self)...this all makes me feel as if DPT is almost an exact mirror of the Vajrayana experience, and making it possibly the best psychedelic chemical to offer actual access to the state of “no-self”. Quite fascinating to me!

chaosbydesign said:
Thanks for being my friend that I can talk about these things with!!! I'm going to try to put together a wealth of information on the different serotonin binding sites and try to figure out how they tie in to subjective states of consciousness as best I can. We should work on this project together- I bet you already have a ton of information!

Most definitely!!! Let a dude know if you start finding some awesome research or making some interesting connections. We could totally have an epic back-and-forth going on about receptors and spirituality...I've been on a pretty hardcore Neurotheology kick myself as of late. You're the best CBD!<3

JBrandon said:
I've blacked out on mushrooms before, as have a few of my friends. This is a separate experience from ego-death and also separate from the psychedelic amnesia. It only has happened to me on high doses, only once or twice, and in combination with other drugs. Once with 4-HO-MET and mushrooms at a festival and once at home with 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, and mushrooms. In both instances I noticed a lot of the ol' mushroom-yawns - much more yawning than normal. I also had severe "tryptamine shivers/jitters". Then, blackout and return to reality, no sense of time passing. Both times I was on the ground already, so no idea if I would have fallen had I been standing. I would assume so.

And I think that chaosbydesign responded to this appropriately...I believe we're both discussing a sensation which is neither simply physically passing out nor amnesia (mere mental memory lapse). Although, I'm assuming due to the inherent nature of “non-existence”, it does retain qualities of both these experiences (as one would not be able to engage in movement or memory recollection if there is no “I” or sense of self with which to move or remember things)...but at the same time the experience transcends those and is quite different both spiritually and somatically from each of the two instances. Theoretically, if one is at least open to the idea that there is something beyond “break through”...how could someone describe or differentiate the experience from black-out/amnesia? Considering that there is no self at the time of experience, you'd have to look at the characteristics immediately before the loss of self and directly upon the self's re-entry. When doing so it does seem much different from what you described, which appeared to be more of a conventional black-out per-say as CBD has mentioned. Many thanks though for chiming in and giving us added perspective!
 
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The 4-ho-MiPT and 4-ho-DiPT were pretty wonderful together (~10mg of each)- actually very complementary and deep.

Based on your report I tried 10mg of each. When it kicked in I did add 6mg of each. I didn't like it; I wasn't able to focus my eyes anymore. CEV was beautiful and absolutely different from only 4-ho-mipt or only 4-ho-dipt.
 
Hmmm... Thanks so much for sharing! It's cool that this report inspired you, but I am sorry to hear that you had that issue. I didn't get the issues with focusing my eyes.. Did you feel like your eyes were only having trouble focusing after adding the extra 6mgs, or from the beginning? I am curious about your CEVs and how they were different... mine were different from those of each substance alone as well. The feeling I got with both was like.. entirely otherworldly and everything took on entirely new meaning. Not like the 4-ho-MiPT visuals which tend to be very similar to those of LSD, or the peaceful meditative visions I get on 4-ho-DiPT.
Based on your report I tried 10mg of each. When it kicked in I did add 6mg of each. I didn't like it; I wasn't able to focus my eyes anymore. CEV was beautiful and absolutely different from only 4-ho-mipt or only 4-ho-dipt.


All I can say is, I completely agree with all of this.. and I love talking to you about the implications of different receptors and what their roles could be in the bigger scheme of consciousness, and I love how you always take so much information from a very WIDE variety of outside sources and plug that knowledge in to your subjective experiences and those of others. I love it when people use psychedelics and integrate their experiences that way. I know you're kinda like HST, but you're still well-rounded. ;)
Viṣakaṇṭha;11809591 said:
It's awesome to see you're digging on the natural substances now!! I know you're the Tryptaqueen when it comes to Research Chemicals, but I was never sure if you were just as into things like Aya, shrooms, Peyote, etc. They really are fascinating! And two of the things I love about em are Plant Spirit interactions, and the fact that there's always so much more going on psychoactively than merely the specific chemical of interest. Mushrooms are a great example...I'd love to focus on species that have a high Baeocystin or Norbaeocystin content (I hear Ps. semilanceata is where it's at as far as Baeocystin is concerned). Although I remember Maria Sabina being very pleased with Albert Hoffman's gift of psilocybin pills (which, I think, is pretty momentous)...so maybe there is some truth to the idea of there being a magic to the alkaloids themselves. But even if that is the case, the natural alkaloids still do seem to trump the synthetics in almost every instance for me.

Yes indeed, the tuning fork is erotic to the max! And you're most certainly right, it definitely makes sense that a state beyond “break through” exists...it's just so strange that it's so rarely talked about, often even amongst professional psychonauts or in mapped out schemas of the tryptamine experience. It really does open up a whole new world of psychedelic potential though. Despite “Zig Zag Zen”, Leary's “psychedelic” translation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead, the hallucinogenic musings of Joan Halifax/Alan Watts/Vanja Palmers etc...I sometimes forget that psychedelics really are not conducive to traditional Buddhist metaphysics at all. Pendell was right on the money...mystical hallucinogenic experiences would certainly be viewed as an extreme form of Makyo. This never really bothered me as I don't hold much sympathy for Buddhist philosophy anymore...with the exception of Vajrayana (aka esoteric/tantric Buddhism), which i love. And considering that DPT is personally the most energy based tryptamine for me (tantric buddhism is known as the “Thunderbolt Vehicle”), it's extreme 5-HT1A ego-dissolution, and it's “relentless” eroticism ;) (and the fact that this eroticism can lead to a complete extinguishing of the self)...this all makes me feel as if DPT is almost an exact mirror of the Vajrayana experience, and making it possibly the best psychedelic chemical to offer actual access to the state of “no-self”. Quite fascinating to me!

Most definitely!!! Let a dude know if you start finding some awesome research or making some interesting connections. We could totally have an epic back-and-forth going on about receptors and spirituality...I've been on a pretty hardcore Neurotheology kick myself as of late. You're the best CBD!<3
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Hehe, thanks. :P It's all good!
Whoops. My mistake. Fixed!
 
I bet you are gorgeous in real life. I regret not having a pithy response to your recent posts and then making a comment about your looks, but seriously you have to a real thing of beauty because nobody who could write like this could possibly inhabit a vessel with a brain like yours and not be alluring to others. Can I be in your play group CBD?
 
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