Hi I was wondering if 4-HO-MET is water soluble. I currently don't have a scale and was planning on making a solution with 100mg of 4-ho-met and 5 ml of water to get 20mg per ml. I'm not planning on storing the drug in this solution because me and my friends are going to use it right away. Would this work?
4-HO-MET in water
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Do you know which salt it is? It might be better to use a far larger volume of water if you're unsure, just mix it with some fruit juice or something and drink it immediately. You could always try dissolving a tiny amount in a tiny amount of water and see what happens. Don't leave it lying in solution as it will degrade quickly, and if you observe any colour changes during dissolution it's probably best not to take it.
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The idea works just fine. Just be aware that you _cannot_ store it in solution. 4-HO-MET (and other 4-HO-tryptamines) will start degrading in solution within hours (also, this means you need to carefully protect them from moisture when storing them, as damp powder will rapidly degrade)
If it's dissolved in a liquid (assuming it is fully dissolved), once the liquid is well mixed, it will not settle or separate. This is something one should know after any chemistry course.
If it's dissolved in a liquid (assuming it is fully dissolved), once the liquid is well mixed, it will not settle or separate. This is something one should know after any chemistry course.
Having done a little more research I've realised the info I gave above concerning the fumarate solubility was inaccurate (sorry about that). Both salts should dissolve readily in water, however the 4-HO-MET can react with water. The timescale in which this occurs, and what effect this has on safety/potency, I haven't been able to find any concrete info about that. As long as you take it straight after dissolving it, it should be fine. Watch out for colour changes though.
You can be 99% sure IMO, as long as it's been mixed properly. When something's dissolved in water a process called diffusion occurs which basically means that the dissolved chemicals are sort of forced from areas of high concentration into areas of low concentration, eventually resulting in an even concentration throughout the solution. This will happen extremely quickly if it's mixed well. This means making solutions is a useful alternative to high-end scales when measuring out small dosages (for example measuring out 10ml of 10mg/L solution has a lot more room for error than measuring out 0.1mg powder on a cheap set of scales)
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4-HO tryptamines typically go brown or black and gooey with water, but despite that do not decline in potency. Nevertheless, I would personally use everclear alcohol dried over a desiccant to dissolve the tryptamine. And that's not for long term storage either.
Even though 4-HO tryptamines that change color from moisture in the air retain potency in general, this is not a guarantee that stability of the compound is truly secured. In solution such alkaloids can be ionized and oxidized much more easy which makes it an unsuitable way to store these drugs.
Phenethylamines in general should hold, but tryptamines are typically a bad idea regarding this.
Since you say you will use it right away: yes it should be okay. I don't foresee any solubility problems, but if you want to make concentrated solutions when you measure doses just be sure to keep a little bit of some acid like vinegar on hand. But only use it if the compound has a problem dissolving, which I'm positive it won't in this case.
Even though 4-HO tryptamines that change color from moisture in the air retain potency in general, this is not a guarantee that stability of the compound is truly secured. In solution such alkaloids can be ionized and oxidized much more easy which makes it an unsuitable way to store these drugs.
Phenethylamines in general should hold, but tryptamines are typically a bad idea regarding this.
Since you say you will use it right away: yes it should be okay. I don't foresee any solubility problems, but if you want to make concentrated solutions when you measure doses just be sure to keep a little bit of some acid like vinegar on hand. But only use it if the compound has a problem dissolving, which I'm positive it won't in this case.