(4-HO-DIPT/ 18 mg, Cannabis, repeated) - Experienced - Body Highs and Confrontations

[moe.ron]

I have a bunch of scattered reports from a time when I was in my last phase of psychedelic hedonism about a year ago. I'll trickle them onto the board from time to time.

July ?, 2011
Substances: 4-HO-DIPT, Cannabis, phenazepam
Dose: 18 mg, repeated, daily 8 mg

(* references to HPPD are from a time in my life when I experienced HPPD symptoms pretty heavily. This was about 7 months into it and I had just started tripping again. It cleared up after about a year after the incident that started it*)

10:35 – 18 mg of 4-ho-dipt swallowed on a mostly empty stomach. Almost instantly feel a head change, like 'oh hi there's a chemical coming' I should ready myself. Smoke a bowl as I await effects listening to music sitting at the comp. Plan is just to see where this trip takes me, but officially im hoping this will kick my ass kinda, and Ill be laid our for the peak. my first trial of 15 mg with this chemical more or less lived up to whats been said about it and is exactly what Im looking for from a trip at the moment (one for me that does not exacerbate hppd to a very noticeable extent) while providing me with a great light +++ trip to dip my feet back into psychedelia.

10:45 – Mind is slowed, and it becomes harder to think complete thoughts the whole way through. Can deffinitely feel my mind shifting, but its still pretty vague. A very nice tryptamine body buzz accompanies the mind state nicely.

10:51 – A very euphoric energy all over my body now! Love this and I love even more looking at my ceiling without being overwhelmed with visuals on low-medium doses of psychedelics.

10:57 time dialtion. not appearnt but it feels longer then it has been. Pupils dilated. Some nausea but nothing to worry about. Probably more about how im down into my 120's (pounds) atm.

11:01 Another bowl is thrown into the mix. I guess the trip is fully on, and I love it so much. A recreational psicybin analogue with no over active visuals to get in the way. Mentally feel great.

11:07 Another bowl.. High is fine and feeling great im feeling so good, and mentally im tripping balls as they say. Bless this chemical.

11:12 Its really focused on the legs, but my whole body feels some sort of tryptamine high. My thoughts have been slowed and the “doors” have been open I feel, and yet its almost like no one came through, leaving me just with this beautiful body high and head space,.

11:17 Mind is spun as hell, and the lack of visuals kinda feels like a counter to 4-aco-mipts overwhelming visual activity at 14 mg replacing it instead with this crazy body high. OF course this all very biased and reliant on personal chemistry, but for me this is how I have absorbed my experiences.

11:25 Mind is almost vacant from thought all the while that beautiful body high is building. A full on +++ sans visual activty.

11:30 I feel as if I'm on the brink of something huge, yet im afraid today will not be its day to come. Some visuals now but its just not about that man.

11:40 Something important is realized, then forgoten, lost to the euphoria of my body and mind. Feelings of deju as if the thing to be remembered was this thought all allong. I outstretch my legs in anyway I can but it never satisfiies them. Its ok though because there feeling this buzzed up greatness the whole time.

11:45 almost certain the stomach pain is said stomach asking for food. Much later. I think Im peaking now? Visual activity seems to have kicked up just a bit, but just to the level of present. This wild tryptamine buzz previously mostly confined to my legs now spreads all over me in shimmering waves. Time to go outside

11:55 after smoking a bowl on my porch just to see what this trip is I came to think, and I realized a few things, but most importantly I need to add about 20 pounds back on

12:07 this drug shows me very powerfully what I fuck I am for these last 3 months on phenazepam, and that its time to get off asap. How stupid I am for once again believing my own bull shit. 126.8 pounds 8 mg a day. How the fuck did this happen. Cant eat shit and has kept me from being motivated. This is unrelentless, but it neeeds to be.

12:11 I am coming down, flooded with thoughts of relief of pleasure at the end of this peak, feeling exhuasted by the (needed) attack on my ways. Its not the drugs fault by a long shot, it made that quite clear. My body buzz retracts completely away to this exhausted afterglow and im left in a mode of almost complete contemplation, allowing me to quite away the anger I have at my own, and the worlds, shortcomings. Theres solutions for every problem this drug presented me, though the drug is not in control of the pieces itself or anything else like that. It could only offer me a fresh persective. I only could face the reality of coming off this benzo, gaining back 30 pounds. Of course this is hard and requires effort so I try to sobatage myself every step of the way. I must watch out for that, to learn when I need get out of my own way, and when I half to stop myself before the very beginning.

12:20 Demanded I eat an enoromous bowl of wheaties, and eat them all, forcing down the last few bites. now weigh 127.6 Good enough for a start. Still just completely spun out.

12:40 Trip cools out as I quickly return to normality, thinking about how often I go into a trip with expectations, just to come out on the other side with those expectations blown out of the water. Still Completely satisfied. Not satisfied getting in the help I had thought perseued, more like the trip just wanted and had nothing to do with my preconceived expectations and notions. Its not that the trip showed me any meaningful insights, its that I have the meaningful thoughts at all, in any context, in any moment. That Im alive to breathe this very breathe and intrepet as if I was some how seperated from it, when we all know that not to be the case!

12:45 A warm after glow is all that remains of this trip besides the philosophical shift in thinking, which I find has to be reintegrated a bit differently then just coming down.

12:55 Meaningful thought, which had been flowing like a well made purely of stream of thought, is now replaced with everyday lines of thinking. Still feel off, but quickly everything is being returned to the way it once was.

1:05 some positive energy lingers still, in part created by the non stop bowls ive been smoking, in part a lovely empty headed tryptamine afterglow.

1:15 very high and very happy. But that is it and this one is done.

 

[omicamushroom]

When I first seen this, I though to myself, "Sweet, another foxy report." I read on and thought "Wonderful, someone who is enjoying foxy." Then all of a sudden your trip ended 3 hours later, and then confusion set it. I look up and see an HO and not MEO. Ah! I get it now.

Cool trip man. Never had the chance to try this compound. I would love to find it somewhere. The timeline seems exactly what I'm looking for at this point in my life. Lately I've been feeling that super cracked out feeling after being in a trip for half its length. I suppose it is common with many people. I've been stressed. I can barely get to sleep I'm so wracked with anxiety, never mind trip for 8-12 hours.

I like the part at 12:07 I get like that. I've never been on serious meds, but I do heavily medicate with cannabis. I go through battles where it isn't really good for me, and yet other times it seems really good for me. Sometimes my diet will fail based on my weed addiction. I always get trips like this that tell me to start eating better, and smoke less weed. I've been tripping a lot less lately too. Very little alcohol in my diet nowadays too. Less drugs, more food = me happy.

Haha then eating your bowl of wheaties. Forcing food down when cracked out is one hell of a thing.

Sounds cool moe. Peace!

 

[moe.ron]

Cool trip man. Never had the chance to try this compound. I would love to find it somewhere. The timeline seems exactly what I'm looking for at this point in my life. Lately I've been feeling that super cracked out feeling after being in a trip for half its length. I suppose it is common with many people. I've been stressed. I can barely get to sleep I'm so wracked with anxiety, never mind trip for 8-12 hours.

I like the part at 12:07 I get like that. I've never been of serious meds, but I do heavily medicate with cannabis. I go through battles where it isn't really good for me, and yet other times it seems really good for me. Sometimes my diet will fail based on my weed addiction. I always get trips like this that tell me to start eating better, and smoke less weed. I've been tripping a lot less lately too. Very little alcohol in my diet nowadays too. Less drugs, more food = me happy.

Haha then eating your bowl of wheaties. Forcing food down when cracked out is one hell of a thing.

Sounds cool moe. Peace!

I know exactly what you mean about the post peak remainders of trips, well I think anyways lol. I use to know exactly what to do with that psychedelic energy and enjoy every second of every trip. Just watch adult swim or stare at the ceiling melting. Many trips are still like that, but they are less often. Finding a way to channel what psychedelics do to me into something (during all trips at all time) worth while (even if that thing is only worth while from my perspective) helped me integrate any experience psychedelics throw at me tremendously, the good and the bad. And I really don't mean that to sound pompous! Part of what makes me such a over-zealous connoisseur of psychoactives in general is that a night spent dancing at the club mxe'd or k'd out is about as good as time as I could imagine. Just a bowl at the end of a hard day, I couldnt imagine not smoking it. A night spent on the couch bathed in opiate bliss. 16 hours of bull shit passing by in the blink of an eye thanks to benzos. Getting randy to stimulants? Theres nothing inherently morally wrong about any of this, and I tend to enjoy it all. In general living unhealthy because there was a time when I just thought "fuckt it. But I assumed If psychedelics are among the safer class of psychoactive's that can be consumed why wouldnt one party with them like one party with anything else? And there was one problem, I use to be all about almost exscuvily the high dose experience.

So for me thats where I messed up. Its weird I can control my use of these drugs perfectly until I subconsciously become depressed. Then its so sneaky im in over my head when i thought i was just gonna dip my feet in. i get better at it as time goes on, learn what roads to avoid but I still make mistakes because im restless and anxious unless I can channel it. and sleep nowadays? forget about it. Restless leg syndrome and spinning thoughts non-stop because I'm detoxing again. But only have less then two weeks left till I'm benzo free again. I guess thats part of the game I suppose. The only reason I went back onto benzos was to get off opiates and the tilt-a-whirl continues. I'm using psychelics at a pace where I could see myself falling into the same traps I've set for myself in the past. I swear I'm getting better avoiding these things though. You seem to be much better at it then I.

Hope that makes since.

Namaste

 

[omicamushroom]

Yeah, I definitely used to love that cracked out feeling towards the end of a trip. I used to call it the post trip chatter. Communication would go into overdrive after smoking plenty bowls of fine grass on my come-downs. Not really caring when I'd come down, or if I'd even be down by sunrise. Back in the days where nothing really seemed to matter, I passed from one buzz to the next.

And yeah, sometimes I definitely can still get enjoyment from these strange times coming off this or that buzz. But lately I haven't been enjoying them as much. My mind is swirling with too many things I have to accomplish in the next year. I'm also a bit unhealthy, which makes the cracked out feelings not very pleasurable. I'll feel like I need to eat, but I just can't eat sometimes when I'm too cracked out. My mind and body are both burnt out in those moments, it seems.

And it seems that channeling the psychedelic spirit into normal daily life is the best way to do it, I feel. And yes using psyches has definitely made me more in tune with coming in and out of the good and bad ends of life.

As was I all about the high dose trips. Eating shrooms on top of acid, and smoking dmt. And then I started to realize that this breakdown of the senses into psychedelic delirium is good, as a means of showing how small a piece of the puzzle one is, but that ultimately that is not what was fun about using. I used to go to parties frequently on acid, and I developed a strange way of socializing. It was fine for certain situations, but I feel much better now that I have cut down from using psychedelics weekly, to using them 1-3 times a month (usually twice). And I don't feel like I need to eat a high dose.

I look back and notice most of my moderate dosage levels turned out to be the best trips. The ones where I ate large amounts of whatever, or times where I combined to many things, seems to have only left me detached and speechless. I feel like there may be something healthy about the strong doses, but i feel like they should be used few and far between. Maybe once or twice a year, put yourself into the OBE or NBE. But for the most part eating small to moderate doses for reflection and introspection has been the most useful to me in my psychedelic career.

Not sure if there is another binge waiting for me somewhere down the line in the future. But for now, having control, and saying no to drugs more often than not seems like the better way to go for the time being. I do not wholly regret my binges, although I do not recommend that people binge similar to the way I binged. I feel that it may be better to take it slower.

Psychedelics do have long-lasting effects. But these effects get muddled and weird when they are used to often I believe. That is probably why HPPD occurs, and people go crazy, and whatever else happens.

Anyways, send me a PM if you ever wanna chat about being in and out of psychedelic binges, health + nutrition, or combatting the anxieties of life through use of psychedelics.

Peace!