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4 ACO DMT how to increase duration

Dr Farnsworth

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Does anyone know how to increase duration of any psy, particuarlly 4 aco dmt? From what i understand Vitmain C does nothing and if anything just makes the trip shorter/more intense.

I love the visuals and trip of 4 aco but i want it to last longer than 4 hours.
 
Have you had any personal experience with this?

From what i searched and looked up several people said that redosing in the middle of the trip did very little to anything and they felt it a waste.
 
I'm positive you can redose but the trick is that you should take a little extra but not so much that it will be overwhelming. It's a little hard to get right and I would just recommend you try it for yourself, start low-ish with your redose then try it higher the next time BUT adjust for changed factors.
A changed factor would be the change in initial dose (a higher initial dose might get you more acute tolerance so you would need even more to redose) and a change in timing. The later you redose the less likely it is it really creates another peak or plateau. The best idea is to extend the plateau so anticipate the ending of the plateau and dose at least an hour before you expect that.
My theory is that when I first take the premise that trips have a number of phases: comeup, peak/plateau, comedown etc.. my idea is that you cannot go back a phase, only forward. It IS possible though but it requires a bigger push to get there. And it still often feels like you are on a tangent, only intense. The meaning of the timeline or story-telling of the trip does not change from that.

I hope that makes sense. This whole thing is hard to predict anyway, maybe I try to get a grip on something that can go either way in the end.

Someone recently wrote that taking moclobemide extends a mushroom trip by a few hours, so it could very well be that works for 4-AcO-DMT as well! I can't think of a reason why that would be a dangerous idea but be especially apprehensive when combining pharmaceuticals like MAOIs (e.g. moclobemide / aurorix) with drugs that are not commonly combined with them. And the only ones that seem more or less common seem to be DMT, or DMT containing plants and mushrooms.
 
^^^ There are still things to watch out for on MAOIs, like taking other drugs that are unsafe to mix with them. At any rate, what Solipsis meant is he can't think of any reason it would be any more dangerous than doing the same thing with mushrooms.

I have also found that redoses can be effective, ideal doses will vary a lot from person to person. The first time you try it, I recommend a redose of half to two thirds the initial dose (and the initial dose should probably be on the lower side of your normal dosage range). Slowly bump up the doses on future trips if you want a more intense experience. My only real life friend with repeated experience on 4acodmt also finds it very redose-friendly. Just don't get over-confident; 4aco is very gentle on the body and seems very relaxing and benign (to me, at least), but at high doses it can be every bit as intense as a high dose mushroom or acid trip. In my experience it's definitely possible to end up tripping much harder after the redose than you did off the first dose, if you take more for the redose.
 
Sounds good thanks for the tips guys ill think i understand what youre talking about and ill try to take a half dose an hour before i peak (i have a good idea). And yes when i first tried this i took a bit much(40mg), very very good trip but freaking intense.
 
i've had decent luck redosing with this substance. Never taken a second dose much more than 2hrs in. 4-AcO-DMT lasts about 5-7hrs for me with a single dose.

I usually take about the same amount or slightly more for the second dose, and it usually doesn't intensify things just a whole lot, but it certainly prolongs them
 
In my experience with 4-aco-dmt redosing generally works fairly well. I started a trip a few months back at 25mg and redosed post peak about 40mg. Like solipsis said you can go back but you just need a bigger push. The 40mg peak was certainly much more profound than the 25mg one but maybe half an hour to 45 minutes shorter.

For reference, I dropped the initial 25 at about 9pm. My 4-aco-dmt trips usually last about a good 7 hours even 8 sometimes. I was peaking at about 12am I want to say and took my second dose of 40mg at 3am. This had me peaking from about 4am to 6am. Saw the sunrise on the beach and was for sure happy that I took such a large second dose. As far as 4-aco-dmt is concerned be careful with the redose. It may not induce a bad trip per say, but it sure as hell will be an intense mental/spiritual experience if you near double the second dose. I hope this helps out and if you have any questions just PM me.
 
I've had the most success redosing via sublingual/insufflated doses.

I havn't tried insufflating 4-AcO-DMT, but both insufflated and sublingual 4-HO-MET come on faster (and end faster) than simple oral dosing - and that's what you want for redosing. 4-AcO-DMT sublingually was slower than 4-HO-MET sublingually (which hit almost instantly, same with insufflated), but still took effect quite rapidly.

Usually, for redosing, you want a rapid feedback cycle, and a shorter overall duration of the redose, so that it doesn't keep you up like the long tail of an oral dose can.
 
Thanks for the tips i might try insufflating it but not a huge fan and prefer oral (hehe).

One time i heard about some chemical or vitmain you could take that was supposed to help (started with a P maybe?). Also ive read that melatonin sometimes adds to a trip has anyone tried it in addition to 4aco or any Psy for that matter?
 
some people have weird reactions to melatonin itself-- personally i think it's all placebo but you might have a different body chemistry.

maybe you're thinking of piracetam? nootropic that can increase thought clarity, but some people say it actually DECREASES duration of trips by making them more whiz-bang intense.
 
piracetam
Yes!!! Thats it. Interesting well thats the opposite of what i want, i trip hard as it is but i need it to last longer. :/ oh well ill try redosing next time.

As far as melatonin i have had a good amount of success and as far as i know its a natural hormone that helps slow your heart rate and put you to sleep. When i take it i fall asleep more readily and i have crazy dreams (was trying to be lucid for quite a while)
 
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