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4-AcO-DMT (41mg) - Experienced - "Optical Delicacy"

perpetualdawn

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I've taken loads of psychedelics over the years, and have always been fascinated by them. Been working a lot lately and experiencing tons of healthy stress. Mostly in a very positive state of mind, lucky to have a lot of good things going on. Listened to a bit of an old Terrence McKenna talk today, which I think coloured my trip. He's a funny dude.

Trip
T0:00 (9:15pm) took 41mg 4-AcO-DMT orally in a gel cap.
T0:10 (9:25pm) went for a 40min run. I like to run every day. Didn't get it in today, so trying to squeeze it in on the comeup.
T0:20 (9:35pm) Started coming up already during beginning of run, noticing visual effects. These deepen over the course of the run. Run takes me by seaside park where people are enjoying joyful small parties together. Lights shimmering on the ripples in the sea are stunning.
T:0:50 (9:55pm) Relieved to be back at my door, trip is setting in quite strong. The sensation of stopping brings on a rush of psychedelia and I feel very wonky and wobbly. I would lie down flat on the floor except I'm pouring with sweat so jump in the shower.

(times are guesswork from this point on)

T:1:30 (10:45) Clean, rehydrated, I lie down to let the trip really set in. I witness the most detailed 3-dimensional, morphing, geometric structures. Wireframe mathematical fractal geometries, rich with saturated colour. Starting out with 6-way symmetry hexagonal structures, this morphs to a more boring 4-way, which shows less possibility for depth (reminding me of the design limits of the pages we stare at all the time), basically collapsing to flat 2-dimensional, and this morphs on to 3-way triangular based, which can easily be seen as doubled up back on itself back into hex, and with depth returned. Beautiful tantalizing morphing stuff. Recalling something the bard McKenna said, I ask the 4-AcO-DMT, since it's fully in my face: "What's your nature"? I begin to witness the space between the edges of the object, fully in 3 dimensions, not just looking at it, but experiencing it wholly, and realizing this geometric play is showing permutations of shape within the limits of 3 dimensional space, and the next leap is to play with the dimensionality itself. This seems tantalizingly close, maybe even on the verge of being able to do it. It seems, in this moment, the 4-AcO-DMT is here to show the way to an impossible next level of perception/being.

T:2:00 (11:15) Thoughts steer to more grounded topics related to this life I find myself in. Some strong personal insights about my own behaviour and relationship with my family.
T:2:45 (12:00) Pleasantly surprised its exactly midnight at the first moment I check back in on time. Also pleasantly surprised it's about 2h earlier than I thought it would be. Sit on the couch, churning over some fairly mundane thoughts, realizing I'm still very much tripping. Feeling very comfortable.
T:4:45 (2am) Having consumed an IPA beer to help wind things down, I'm listening to a great new d&b tune on repeat a few times Vibe Chemistry - Balling instant classic
T:5:15 (2:30am) Pretty tired, but wired, I manage to have something like sleep, or at least deep relaxation. I feel very comfortable and very OK with just spacing out without necessarily literally sleeping. The timing here could be quite a bit off, it might have been 2-3am by the time I was able to pass out.

Conclusion
This was a very visual experience, past trips with 4-AcO-DMT have been very aural.

This was a great dosage at this moment with 4-AcO-DMT. It's on the higher end of how much psychedelic I would normally take, yet was really easy to handle and navigate. No discomfort, smooth sailing. I've always thought 4-AcO-DMT is a really different beast from mushrooms, but now I have no doubt. If I had taken enough mushrooms to be on this same level, it would have been much more weird, wild and chaotic. 4-AcO-DMT by comparison is a much smoother ride, a straighter path. It's still a mystery why this would be, since we think the 4-AcO-DMT should quickly metabolize to 4-HO-DMT. There are many possible explanations for this puzzle, but I don't know if we can really answer it right now. For me, it's good enough to recognize its difference.

4-AcO-DMT is well-suited for bigger dosages. It handles well at these higher doses where other substances might build up more body load and confusion. I don't think I'll bother taking this at smaller doses in the future since I have other options that work really well at the lower end. For me, 4-AcO-DMT is a great choice for that heavy hitter 6hr trip. It's great that it's orally active too.

I like it a lot, it's a top-notch gem in the pharmacopia.

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Nice report, man! Appreciate it

4-AcO-DMT is a drug that despite of it's popularity never crossed my path. I've been contemplating the last few weeks if it would be worth seeking out and I think the answer is, yes! I love me some 4-HO-MET/-MiPT from time to time and this sounds like it would complement my other two tryptamines quite well. I heard a lot of people compare it to DMT recently which I find really intriguing because I always thought it would be pretty much identical to psilocybin.
 
@Psychestim I've still never tried DMT, so I can't honestly say that I know for sure that it's DMT-like. However, I really feel like I can read between the lines and see what DMT is like from having taken so many related compounds and read so many trip reports. I'm looking forward to trying it some day so that I can really compare. It's certainly really really different to mushrooms for me, and I reckon it's got to be a lot like a prolonged DMT experience.
 
Great report, PD -- I miss seaside runs a lot. Like the two of you, I have yet to enjoy DMT, but research suggests that the ROA and amount consumed determines how much of the DMT "segment" of the molecule presents itself. Many years ago, I experimented with 4-aco-DMT intravenously (at 50mg no less! :O ) and experienced more of the signature DMT effects than I ever did when taken orally. Still hoping to find an opportunity to play with 5-meo-DMT, whose opportunity has been teased a lot lately, but work and family have kept me too busy.

Peace!
 
I've always thought 4-AcO-DMT is a really different beast from mushrooms, but now I have no doubt. If I had taken enough mushrooms to be on this same level, it would have been much more weird, wild and chaotic. 4-AcO-DMT by comparison is a much smoother ride, a straighter path. It's still a mystery why this would be, since we think the 4-AcO-DMT should quickly metabolize to 4-HO-DMT. There are many possible explanations for this puzzle, but I don't know if we can really answer it right now. For me, it's good enough to recognize its difference.

There is no reason that I have seen or heard that we should believe that 4-AcO-DMT does not itself bind to receptors, despite knowing it also metabolizes to 4-HO-DMT. If there are studies showing that it cannot cross the BBB I would like to see them. But there are a great many prodrug which have effects that differ from the drug they metabolize into. To me the easiest and most likely correct explanation is that 4-AcO-DMT crosses the BBB and has a binding profile that differs from 4-HO-DMT. My experience (and that of many others) is that the first stage (come up and peak) of 4-AcO-DMT is notably and reliably distinct from the first stage of 4-HO-DMT, but that the plateau/second stage is more or less indistinguishable. Which makes sense, it suggests that there are unique effects but that as it metabolizes, it becomes more and more similar to 4-HO-DMT, since it in fact becomes 4-HO-DMT. Some people report that they can't tell the difference at all and I believe that is because some people must metabolize it much more quickly.

Thanks for the report!
 
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