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This report documents my first experience with 4-AcO-DET.
Physical Stats: 25/m/155lbs
Drug Experience: With respect to psychedelics, a wide variety. With respect to RCs, mainly phenethylamines. First-time user of 4-Acetoxy-DET.
Current Pharms: 1mg clonazepam(Klonpin) daily, 50mg 5-HTP daily
Dose (Alprazolam): 2mg @ t=0:00, 2mg @ t+1:00 (oral)
Dose (4-Acetoxy-DET): 10mg @ 1=0:00, 10mg @ t+0:20 (oral)
Preface: I found myself alone at home on a Friday evening with 20mg of 4-AcO-DET in my possession. I dosed this on a fairly empty stomach, 60 minutes after a fairly-intense session at the gym. Aside from some tests described below, I went into this with an open mind, ready for whatever this drug would give me. I am typically rather sensitive to tryptamines, so I knew this dose to be one that, despite being called a "trial run," could easily become a fairly heavy trip.
Report: Based on literature, I took the impression that it would be around 20 minutes before I really began to feel anything. Because (1) it had been a long time since I had felt a psychedelic and (2) I often get anxiety on tryptamine come-ups, I decided to dose 2mg alprazolam(Xanax) concurrently.
t=0:00 – Consume 10mg 4-AcO-DET and 2mg alrpazolam.
t+0:20 – First alerts are here. I basically feel a bit of “nervous energy,” which I can tell is beyond power-of-suggestion. Feels pretty standard for a psychedelic, and overall I am feeling pretty normal and content listening to a Thomas Bronzwaer mixset. I decide to go ahead and dose the remaining 10mg.
t+0:30 – Pupils are dialated and the first visuals are occuring. Quite similar to the visuals from mushrooms. Not really feeling much of a psychological overload, aside from a bit of mental confusion. So I would compare the visuals to those from psilocybin, but otherwise not be ready to make any other comparisons.
t+0:40 – I had read in literature about this drug having some negative physical effects, but from most of the trip reports I had read, as well as from the testamony of a friend who had done this drug already, it seemed like the literature was exaggerating such effects. Well not for me! Two factors began to plague my trip: that of being cold and that of nausea. I cranked the heat up in my apartment to a solid 85F and was still shivering underneath two blankets! Not much fun at all. As well, when I would try and move around to make changes in order to keep warm, I was getting hit with nausea. Not exactly like the “I’m going to purge!” nausea I typically get with mushrooms, but instead just a really bad stomach-knot. I didn’t want to move because of the nausea, but I did want to move because I was otherwise so cold.
t+1:00 – Oh ya, I forgot how sensitive I am to most tryptamines! This is actually starting to get quite intense. I felt quite “alive” in the typical psychedelic way, but at the same time there was a confusion factor as well that actually made me think less deep and instead simply be on a substance that’s making things a bit unusal for me. The visuals were fairly strong for me. I would describe them, again, as quite similar to those associated with psilocybin, although with less patterns and more undulations. To add, there was a bit of an imposed “haze” in my bedroom, not unlike a cloud of dust.
I’m still freezing, and it’s really got me shaking and twitching to an uncofortable degree. I decide to have 2mg additional of alprazolam in hopes that it will help my physical body relax more and I can get past this annoying stage.
t+1:20 – Still much of the same. I decide to fight through the cold and try and do a few tests on myself. I’m a bit strange, but I like to expose myself to both psychological stimuli and motor skill challenges each time I trip on a new drug, somewhat forming a comparative basis.
Test #1 (Music): To be honest, music is not doing much for me. Still listening to Bronzwaer, but it just sounds like run-of-the-mill hard trance.
Test#2 (Visuals): Load up a cellular automata simulator on my laptop and watch some trippy patterns (I swear the creators of MCell were trippers before biologists!). They’re actually quite nice. Again, there is an additional depth-perception to these visuals that is the most unique component of them. I quite like it.
Test#3 (Pornography): Despite not feeling even remotely sexual thus far, I decided to try this, as a lot of people reported sexual feelings on X-DET. Honestly, didn’t make it more than 30 seconds into a clip before I realised that it was way too artificial and shallow for me, and not something I wanted to be a part of at the moment.
Test#4 (Pushups): I made it to 3 before I collapsed onto the ground in laughter. It just seemed so stupid at the time that I put myself through these tests. I mean they always make sense when I plan them out before dosing, but then when I am trying to complete them, I honestly wonder why I am such a weirdo.
Test#5 (Water): Turned my shower on and began interacting with the water. It was quite lovely, and I was half-tempted to jump in. To be honest, though, given how cold I was I knew that if I did, I would be in there until the trip ended. So I resisted the urge.
Test#6 (Housecat): Interacting with my sister’s cat was pretty enjoyable, though I had to be careful as the guy likes to hand out personal injuries. I did feel quite close to him, though. We spent a good moment on the floor together, and he seemed to be responding well to the mindset I found myself in.
At this point I gave up on the tests and decided to ride the drug out sitting at my computer and playing on the internet. The nausea was gone (the cold was not), and I felt like the psychological and sensory effects were at least stablized, if not starting to diminish. I would say that during the peak (which lasted around 90 minutes), it was a solid (++) and a few times flirted with (+++) territory.
t+2:00 - I am trying to describe to friends across the net how my experience is going, but the undulating characteristic of the visuals is making it quite difficult to type. As well, I don’t feel much ambition to really do anything. Meaning that I was not eager to seek out trippy things on the net, nor was I wanting to peruse BL or anything. I felt a bit of empathy about a few personal topics near the end of the peak, but I wouldn’t classify it as anywhere near as profound as the empathy and love that I get on more classical psychedelics. This one definitely did not pull back any curtains or really force the point on me that I was in psychedelic headspace. To be hoenst, in all aspects other than the visuals, this felt more like a phenethylamine to me. I would describe it best as a hybrid of 2c-i and psilocybin lumped into a 2-3 hour trip, if that’s at all possible to imagine. I guess this goes to show that these new RCs really are kind of all over the place, and not as immediately recognizable as the classics.
t+3:00 - Still crusing. The physical side-effects are gone, and I’ve come around to liking the feeling a good bit. Again, it’s not the most exciting drug, but it definitely felt good to trip again. I am chatting with a friend, trying to figure out why this felt to me much more like a psychedelic, whereas the friend found the visuals to be minimal and the euphoria to be strong. I felt some semi-euphoric moments, mainly once the physical element went from cold/shaky to kind of a nice buzz, but didn’t at all find myself to be “feeling amazing” or anything.
t+3:30 - The effects went from stable to basically nothing in 30 minutes time, actually leaving me wanting more. Given that I only had a 20mg dose, this was impossible (and probably a good thing). Nonetheless, I found it odd that I was, in a sense, “fiending” for more of a psychedelic. It felt similar to MDMA fiending, which really makes little sense to me.
Conclusion: Overall, I would give this drug a 5/10. The main hang-up I had was that by the time I had figured out how to make the negative physical side-effects of this drug go away, I only had around 30-45 minutes to trip out before it started to die down. And to be honest, I don’t know if these effects would be able to be very-much minimised over additional trips. The best thing about this drug was that it pushed my sensory boundaries much further than my psychological ones, meaning that I could relax and enjoy thr trippy aspects of it without having to worry much about the threat of a negative headspace, or worse yet a bad trip. Again, with this good comes the trade-off of only being able to go so far down the rabbit hole, though. The most unique aspect of it was that it was the first time that I found a psychedelic having me craving for more. I mainly attribute this to it’s (short) duration and the fact that by the time I had it figured it, it was nearly over.
Would I try it again? Perhaps. It struck me as a nice drug for the beach. So I might hold off until summertime before I go again, as honestly combating the cold was not much fun at all. I honestly think I could handle around 30mg of this at once, before it could possibly turn on me. However, I think that if I were to use it again, I would do so in a fashion that kept me at (+/++) for aroun 4-6 hours, meaning redosing. I actually think trying regular DET would be more interesting, though, as this one’s duration was just too awkward for me; not short enough to be a quick ‘n wild ride, but not long enough to give one a proper psychedelic workout.
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Physical Stats: 25/m/155lbs
Drug Experience: With respect to psychedelics, a wide variety. With respect to RCs, mainly phenethylamines. First-time user of 4-Acetoxy-DET.
Current Pharms: 1mg clonazepam(Klonpin) daily, 50mg 5-HTP daily
Dose (Alprazolam): 2mg @ t=0:00, 2mg @ t+1:00 (oral)
Dose (4-Acetoxy-DET): 10mg @ 1=0:00, 10mg @ t+0:20 (oral)
Preface: I found myself alone at home on a Friday evening with 20mg of 4-AcO-DET in my possession. I dosed this on a fairly empty stomach, 60 minutes after a fairly-intense session at the gym. Aside from some tests described below, I went into this with an open mind, ready for whatever this drug would give me. I am typically rather sensitive to tryptamines, so I knew this dose to be one that, despite being called a "trial run," could easily become a fairly heavy trip.
Report: Based on literature, I took the impression that it would be around 20 minutes before I really began to feel anything. Because (1) it had been a long time since I had felt a psychedelic and (2) I often get anxiety on tryptamine come-ups, I decided to dose 2mg alprazolam(Xanax) concurrently.
t=0:00 – Consume 10mg 4-AcO-DET and 2mg alrpazolam.
t+0:20 – First alerts are here. I basically feel a bit of “nervous energy,” which I can tell is beyond power-of-suggestion. Feels pretty standard for a psychedelic, and overall I am feeling pretty normal and content listening to a Thomas Bronzwaer mixset. I decide to go ahead and dose the remaining 10mg.
t+0:30 – Pupils are dialated and the first visuals are occuring. Quite similar to the visuals from mushrooms. Not really feeling much of a psychological overload, aside from a bit of mental confusion. So I would compare the visuals to those from psilocybin, but otherwise not be ready to make any other comparisons.
t+0:40 – I had read in literature about this drug having some negative physical effects, but from most of the trip reports I had read, as well as from the testamony of a friend who had done this drug already, it seemed like the literature was exaggerating such effects. Well not for me! Two factors began to plague my trip: that of being cold and that of nausea. I cranked the heat up in my apartment to a solid 85F and was still shivering underneath two blankets! Not much fun at all. As well, when I would try and move around to make changes in order to keep warm, I was getting hit with nausea. Not exactly like the “I’m going to purge!” nausea I typically get with mushrooms, but instead just a really bad stomach-knot. I didn’t want to move because of the nausea, but I did want to move because I was otherwise so cold.
t+1:00 – Oh ya, I forgot how sensitive I am to most tryptamines! This is actually starting to get quite intense. I felt quite “alive” in the typical psychedelic way, but at the same time there was a confusion factor as well that actually made me think less deep and instead simply be on a substance that’s making things a bit unusal for me. The visuals were fairly strong for me. I would describe them, again, as quite similar to those associated with psilocybin, although with less patterns and more undulations. To add, there was a bit of an imposed “haze” in my bedroom, not unlike a cloud of dust.
I’m still freezing, and it’s really got me shaking and twitching to an uncofortable degree. I decide to have 2mg additional of alprazolam in hopes that it will help my physical body relax more and I can get past this annoying stage.
t+1:20 – Still much of the same. I decide to fight through the cold and try and do a few tests on myself. I’m a bit strange, but I like to expose myself to both psychological stimuli and motor skill challenges each time I trip on a new drug, somewhat forming a comparative basis.
Test #1 (Music): To be honest, music is not doing much for me. Still listening to Bronzwaer, but it just sounds like run-of-the-mill hard trance.
Test#2 (Visuals): Load up a cellular automata simulator on my laptop and watch some trippy patterns (I swear the creators of MCell were trippers before biologists!). They’re actually quite nice. Again, there is an additional depth-perception to these visuals that is the most unique component of them. I quite like it.
Test#3 (Pornography): Despite not feeling even remotely sexual thus far, I decided to try this, as a lot of people reported sexual feelings on X-DET. Honestly, didn’t make it more than 30 seconds into a clip before I realised that it was way too artificial and shallow for me, and not something I wanted to be a part of at the moment.
Test#4 (Pushups): I made it to 3 before I collapsed onto the ground in laughter. It just seemed so stupid at the time that I put myself through these tests. I mean they always make sense when I plan them out before dosing, but then when I am trying to complete them, I honestly wonder why I am such a weirdo.
Test#5 (Water): Turned my shower on and began interacting with the water. It was quite lovely, and I was half-tempted to jump in. To be honest, though, given how cold I was I knew that if I did, I would be in there until the trip ended. So I resisted the urge.
Test#6 (Housecat): Interacting with my sister’s cat was pretty enjoyable, though I had to be careful as the guy likes to hand out personal injuries. I did feel quite close to him, though. We spent a good moment on the floor together, and he seemed to be responding well to the mindset I found myself in.
At this point I gave up on the tests and decided to ride the drug out sitting at my computer and playing on the internet. The nausea was gone (the cold was not), and I felt like the psychological and sensory effects were at least stablized, if not starting to diminish. I would say that during the peak (which lasted around 90 minutes), it was a solid (++) and a few times flirted with (+++) territory.
t+2:00 - I am trying to describe to friends across the net how my experience is going, but the undulating characteristic of the visuals is making it quite difficult to type. As well, I don’t feel much ambition to really do anything. Meaning that I was not eager to seek out trippy things on the net, nor was I wanting to peruse BL or anything. I felt a bit of empathy about a few personal topics near the end of the peak, but I wouldn’t classify it as anywhere near as profound as the empathy and love that I get on more classical psychedelics. This one definitely did not pull back any curtains or really force the point on me that I was in psychedelic headspace. To be hoenst, in all aspects other than the visuals, this felt more like a phenethylamine to me. I would describe it best as a hybrid of 2c-i and psilocybin lumped into a 2-3 hour trip, if that’s at all possible to imagine. I guess this goes to show that these new RCs really are kind of all over the place, and not as immediately recognizable as the classics.
t+3:00 - Still crusing. The physical side-effects are gone, and I’ve come around to liking the feeling a good bit. Again, it’s not the most exciting drug, but it definitely felt good to trip again. I am chatting with a friend, trying to figure out why this felt to me much more like a psychedelic, whereas the friend found the visuals to be minimal and the euphoria to be strong. I felt some semi-euphoric moments, mainly once the physical element went from cold/shaky to kind of a nice buzz, but didn’t at all find myself to be “feeling amazing” or anything.
t+3:30 - The effects went from stable to basically nothing in 30 minutes time, actually leaving me wanting more. Given that I only had a 20mg dose, this was impossible (and probably a good thing). Nonetheless, I found it odd that I was, in a sense, “fiending” for more of a psychedelic. It felt similar to MDMA fiending, which really makes little sense to me.
Conclusion: Overall, I would give this drug a 5/10. The main hang-up I had was that by the time I had figured out how to make the negative physical side-effects of this drug go away, I only had around 30-45 minutes to trip out before it started to die down. And to be honest, I don’t know if these effects would be able to be very-much minimised over additional trips. The best thing about this drug was that it pushed my sensory boundaries much further than my psychological ones, meaning that I could relax and enjoy thr trippy aspects of it without having to worry much about the threat of a negative headspace, or worse yet a bad trip. Again, with this good comes the trade-off of only being able to go so far down the rabbit hole, though. The most unique aspect of it was that it was the first time that I found a psychedelic having me craving for more. I mainly attribute this to it’s (short) duration and the fact that by the time I had it figured it, it was nearly over.
Would I try it again? Perhaps. It struck me as a nice drug for the beach. So I might hold off until summertime before I go again, as honestly combating the cold was not much fun at all. I honestly think I could handle around 30mg of this at once, before it could possibly turn on me. However, I think that if I were to use it again, I would do so in a fashion that kept me at (+/++) for aroun 4-6 hours, meaning redosing. I actually think trying regular DET would be more interesting, though, as this one’s duration was just too awkward for me; not short enough to be a quick ‘n wild ride, but not long enough to give one a proper psychedelic workout.
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