Ham-milton
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Drug: “Spice Gold”
Experience: Very Inexperienced
Height: 6’0 Weight: 210 Build: athletic
Set and Setting: Home with wife sleeping on the couch “morning sickness” again. TV on and a good book on the Cambrian Explosion and why the evolution of the eye- vision, really- caused the massive proliferation of species and even phylum (from 2 to about 38- the same number we have today, actually!).
Mood: Happy enough, it’s my day off, outside is nice but the great day we could have had has been mostly covered with clouds. Took the dog for a four mile walk an hour or so ago. Just took my Suboxone and Sominex. I’m worrying a little about how they might interact with the Spice Gold and if the supplier was just selling fake products because the pouch looks a lot finer than my previous lot. Turns out it definitely wasn’t the case, this was probably the ‘shake’ that built up in the bottom, because, as I was about to learn, it was definitely not fake.
~5:05p- After putting some clothes into the washing machine, I decided to smoke some of the Spice Gold that had just arrived in the mail thirty minutes previous. I load a small bowl. I think I could get 8-12 more bowls this sized. I take one hit.
5:10p- Lay down on the bed and turned Everybody Loves Raymond on. I ignore the TV and focus on my book
5:15p- I think I’m about ten minutes into the experience, though I suppose it may be as late as 20 now. It’s feeling stronger. It comes on slow, I guess. I feel like it might just be placebo still. Go take another hit.
5:34p- Just laid on the best for a bit. It’s come on me fully now. I hope this is the fullest effect, anyway. It’s absolutely not placebo. Some minor anxiety. I’m probably as high as I’ve ever been. If someone had handed me a joint of this under the pretense that it was weed, I’d totally fall for it. Not the taste- that’s incredibly different. It’s easily worth twenty U.S. dollars they ask for it. I could really see this replacing the illegal cannabinoids. I can’t imagine anything except cannabis or a synthetic cannabinoid coming close to this. I’ve had baybean, and it doesn’t come close at this point. This is way beyond anything that produces.
Still very stoned. Time dilation is massive. So is red-eye. Dry mouth not so bad.
Sedation is stronger than with weed. A little amphetamine or caffeine would go really well with it, though I also had taken 100mg of diphenhydramine and my 8mg suboxone, so that might add to the effect.
Though I doubt that the sedation I experienced was entirely due to the Spice Gold, I don’t think the diphenhydramine played a big role in the sedation either, or in other words, that
A little hungry, will have some sherbert!
5:50p- I’m very intoxicated, far more than I’d ever be from even high quality pot. This doesn’t seem as psychedelic, though. My thoughts are altered, and altered in the same way, but not quite as much. It’s still present, but just different, I guess. There’s a bit of a yellow tint to everything, and at times I feel as if I’m sitting in a chair in the back of my head, looking at a fully immersive television screen, and controlling, to some extent where I’m going. Vision is a little choppy, like there was a strobe-light on, but without the pure dark parts- as if for every frame I see, five fly by unseen, then I see the next one, five go by, then the next one appears.
A bit of inhibition is lost, but I definitely know what’s what. On my feet I’m a little unsteady, like a light drunk might be.
6:42p- Still very stoned, but I feel like it’s starting to come down some.
9:00p- Just trailing off now. Peak effects seem to last from about t+0:10 to t+2:00 almost on the dot, with a long trailing off time.
10:00p- down to just barely threshold effects now. Wanting to go to bed now. I decide to take another hit and then go to bed.
11:00p- Having trouble sleeping. I’m not sure if it’s the Spice Gold or just ordinary restlessness. Not horrible, and would probably not be a problem if I didn’t have to work in the morning . I’m very high again from that third hit. Pretty amazing stuff.
Extension and Commentary
It’s now 6p on the next day. I felt virtually no hang-over despite the sort of lethargy you’d expect after a day of getting really baked. A-motivational is a good word for how I felt.
By 11:00a all of my lethargy was gone and I felt good. Not the best I’ve ever felt sober, but definitely not bad. I had pretty bad diarrhea this evening, but I assume that’s from cutting back on my Suboxone.
What is there to say? This is the second “herbal smoke mix” I’ve ever tried. I forget what the first one I tried was. It tasted like ass and did nothing but irritate my lungs for a couple days. With a little more research, I quickly learned what the general consensus was regarding ‘legal highs’- they’re all bogus, especially the ‘smoke mixes.’
Sure, there were a few high points that seemed to keep the industry and interest alive- Salvia divinorum and Mitragyna speciosa korth, also known as Salvia (very vague, considering the sheer volume of members in the genus) and Kratom. The rest of the industry was apparently divided into two main groups. The first group is made up of those vendors providing the various ayahuasca ingredients and ‘botanical samples’ from a massive supply of lesser known plants that were usually associated with indigenous people’s medicinal or ceremonial use. The second group is made up of those who took those ‘botanical supplies’ and blended them and put them into capsules or pills, or just provided them loose as one would receive pipe tobacco. These vendors would them put a gimmicky name on the product and tout it as capable of curing everything from depression to AIDs and Malaria, all while giving you the most amazing trip out there- one ten times better than the illegal highs. If you’re reading this, I’m sure you’re already aware of this type of marketing.
All of these claims were nonsense of course, and their products never came close to being even nearly as good as the illegal products they meant to reproduce legally. So, because they chose to take barely or entirely inactive plants, mix them up, double or triple the price of the loose material and sell it as something really good, it is that these vendors have been labeled as cheats and rip offs and worse. They are.
Or should I now say “they were?” I’m afraid so. Spice and Spice Gold and now all the so-called “Spice-Alikes” have truly reshaped the landscape of this industry. None of the second group of vendors will make it unless they have their own Spice-Alike. This usually means that they will have to purchase from whomever it is out there who actually makes the stuff.
The Legal-Highs market, I predict, will truly be taken over by Spice Gold.
And so this raises more, very important questions. I don’t believe that Spice Gold contains much or any of what it claims to be for a second. It smells and tastes and looks like Mugwort, and the smoke tastes a bit harsh, with a Salvia-like taste to it. Nothing that instantly says “chemical” but considering the potency of the synthetic cannabinoids, that’s not a big surprise. I doubt it contains anything but Mugwort, maybe some Salvia and a preservative of some sort, and a chemical that’s been applied.
You can see why I’m worried about this. Considering how wide-spread Salvia is now, and how much more recreational this is, I can see this becoming just as, or even more widespread at some point.
Let’s pretend for a minute that only 10,000 people world wide end up using this product. That seems incredibly low, probably the number of people who’ve used it now. They’re all ingesting chemicals they know nothing about. I have my theories about what’s in it, and some of the synthetics it might be haven’t been researched in humans at all.
At least Shulgin’s chemicals had all been tested by him and friends in a wide range of doses and many had clinical research to back them. In addition, they were all representing a family of chemicals that had been intensively studied, in humans and animals. These cannabinoids are so new that very few have seen human use. Is there a chance they’ll ‘rot you brain?’ No, but they could be hepatotoxic, cardio toxic, they could damage neurons, who knows what. THC is a very well known drug, and being a partial agonist, it’s impossible to overdose on. I have no idea if Spice Gold contains a partial agonist or a full agonist and what the potency and at what dose it plateaus at (the way, for instance, buprenorphine plateaus at about 32mg). There will be idiot kids who decide to play macho-man and way over-do it. Will they be risking death?
Also, we have no idea what sort of drug-interactions to expect with it. Just because it’s a cannabinoid doesn’t mean there aren’t any important ones as with THC. We also don’t know if this is something people are possibly allergic to, and what to expect if that’s the case. For all we know it might cause pulmonary edema!
My other concern is that someone will overdose on it, or go just freak out- there is some anxiogenesis- and end up in a hospital needing valium badly. Then there is public awareness of Spice Gold and within a period, we’ll be seeing it on our Nightly News. The DEA would probably love to bust someone with a bag of this, to give them a reason to start researching it, figuring out what’s in it and making that product illegal.
If the synthesis is easy (or, if in some imaginary world, the plant is easy to grow), we could be seeing this being sold illegally as well. It’s something I can see as a possible replacement to marijuana. Hard to believe, huh?
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Experience: Very Inexperienced
Height: 6’0 Weight: 210 Build: athletic
Set and Setting: Home with wife sleeping on the couch “morning sickness” again. TV on and a good book on the Cambrian Explosion and why the evolution of the eye- vision, really- caused the massive proliferation of species and even phylum (from 2 to about 38- the same number we have today, actually!).
Mood: Happy enough, it’s my day off, outside is nice but the great day we could have had has been mostly covered with clouds. Took the dog for a four mile walk an hour or so ago. Just took my Suboxone and Sominex. I’m worrying a little about how they might interact with the Spice Gold and if the supplier was just selling fake products because the pouch looks a lot finer than my previous lot. Turns out it definitely wasn’t the case, this was probably the ‘shake’ that built up in the bottom, because, as I was about to learn, it was definitely not fake.
~5:05p- After putting some clothes into the washing machine, I decided to smoke some of the Spice Gold that had just arrived in the mail thirty minutes previous. I load a small bowl. I think I could get 8-12 more bowls this sized. I take one hit.
5:10p- Lay down on the bed and turned Everybody Loves Raymond on. I ignore the TV and focus on my book
5:15p- I think I’m about ten minutes into the experience, though I suppose it may be as late as 20 now. It’s feeling stronger. It comes on slow, I guess. I feel like it might just be placebo still. Go take another hit.
5:34p- Just laid on the best for a bit. It’s come on me fully now. I hope this is the fullest effect, anyway. It’s absolutely not placebo. Some minor anxiety. I’m probably as high as I’ve ever been. If someone had handed me a joint of this under the pretense that it was weed, I’d totally fall for it. Not the taste- that’s incredibly different. It’s easily worth twenty U.S. dollars they ask for it. I could really see this replacing the illegal cannabinoids. I can’t imagine anything except cannabis or a synthetic cannabinoid coming close to this. I’ve had baybean, and it doesn’t come close at this point. This is way beyond anything that produces.
Still very stoned. Time dilation is massive. So is red-eye. Dry mouth not so bad.
Sedation is stronger than with weed. A little amphetamine or caffeine would go really well with it, though I also had taken 100mg of diphenhydramine and my 8mg suboxone, so that might add to the effect.
Though I doubt that the sedation I experienced was entirely due to the Spice Gold, I don’t think the diphenhydramine played a big role in the sedation either, or in other words, that
A little hungry, will have some sherbert!
5:50p- I’m very intoxicated, far more than I’d ever be from even high quality pot. This doesn’t seem as psychedelic, though. My thoughts are altered, and altered in the same way, but not quite as much. It’s still present, but just different, I guess. There’s a bit of a yellow tint to everything, and at times I feel as if I’m sitting in a chair in the back of my head, looking at a fully immersive television screen, and controlling, to some extent where I’m going. Vision is a little choppy, like there was a strobe-light on, but without the pure dark parts- as if for every frame I see, five fly by unseen, then I see the next one, five go by, then the next one appears.
A bit of inhibition is lost, but I definitely know what’s what. On my feet I’m a little unsteady, like a light drunk might be.
6:42p- Still very stoned, but I feel like it’s starting to come down some.
9:00p- Just trailing off now. Peak effects seem to last from about t+0:10 to t+2:00 almost on the dot, with a long trailing off time.
10:00p- down to just barely threshold effects now. Wanting to go to bed now. I decide to take another hit and then go to bed.
11:00p- Having trouble sleeping. I’m not sure if it’s the Spice Gold or just ordinary restlessness. Not horrible, and would probably not be a problem if I didn’t have to work in the morning . I’m very high again from that third hit. Pretty amazing stuff.
Extension and Commentary
It’s now 6p on the next day. I felt virtually no hang-over despite the sort of lethargy you’d expect after a day of getting really baked. A-motivational is a good word for how I felt.
By 11:00a all of my lethargy was gone and I felt good. Not the best I’ve ever felt sober, but definitely not bad. I had pretty bad diarrhea this evening, but I assume that’s from cutting back on my Suboxone.
What is there to say? This is the second “herbal smoke mix” I’ve ever tried. I forget what the first one I tried was. It tasted like ass and did nothing but irritate my lungs for a couple days. With a little more research, I quickly learned what the general consensus was regarding ‘legal highs’- they’re all bogus, especially the ‘smoke mixes.’
Sure, there were a few high points that seemed to keep the industry and interest alive- Salvia divinorum and Mitragyna speciosa korth, also known as Salvia (very vague, considering the sheer volume of members in the genus) and Kratom. The rest of the industry was apparently divided into two main groups. The first group is made up of those vendors providing the various ayahuasca ingredients and ‘botanical samples’ from a massive supply of lesser known plants that were usually associated with indigenous people’s medicinal or ceremonial use. The second group is made up of those who took those ‘botanical supplies’ and blended them and put them into capsules or pills, or just provided them loose as one would receive pipe tobacco. These vendors would them put a gimmicky name on the product and tout it as capable of curing everything from depression to AIDs and Malaria, all while giving you the most amazing trip out there- one ten times better than the illegal highs. If you’re reading this, I’m sure you’re already aware of this type of marketing.
All of these claims were nonsense of course, and their products never came close to being even nearly as good as the illegal products they meant to reproduce legally. So, because they chose to take barely or entirely inactive plants, mix them up, double or triple the price of the loose material and sell it as something really good, it is that these vendors have been labeled as cheats and rip offs and worse. They are.
Or should I now say “they were?” I’m afraid so. Spice and Spice Gold and now all the so-called “Spice-Alikes” have truly reshaped the landscape of this industry. None of the second group of vendors will make it unless they have their own Spice-Alike. This usually means that they will have to purchase from whomever it is out there who actually makes the stuff.
The Legal-Highs market, I predict, will truly be taken over by Spice Gold.
And so this raises more, very important questions. I don’t believe that Spice Gold contains much or any of what it claims to be for a second. It smells and tastes and looks like Mugwort, and the smoke tastes a bit harsh, with a Salvia-like taste to it. Nothing that instantly says “chemical” but considering the potency of the synthetic cannabinoids, that’s not a big surprise. I doubt it contains anything but Mugwort, maybe some Salvia and a preservative of some sort, and a chemical that’s been applied.
You can see why I’m worried about this. Considering how wide-spread Salvia is now, and how much more recreational this is, I can see this becoming just as, or even more widespread at some point.
Let’s pretend for a minute that only 10,000 people world wide end up using this product. That seems incredibly low, probably the number of people who’ve used it now. They’re all ingesting chemicals they know nothing about. I have my theories about what’s in it, and some of the synthetics it might be haven’t been researched in humans at all.
At least Shulgin’s chemicals had all been tested by him and friends in a wide range of doses and many had clinical research to back them. In addition, they were all representing a family of chemicals that had been intensively studied, in humans and animals. These cannabinoids are so new that very few have seen human use. Is there a chance they’ll ‘rot you brain?’ No, but they could be hepatotoxic, cardio toxic, they could damage neurons, who knows what. THC is a very well known drug, and being a partial agonist, it’s impossible to overdose on. I have no idea if Spice Gold contains a partial agonist or a full agonist and what the potency and at what dose it plateaus at (the way, for instance, buprenorphine plateaus at about 32mg). There will be idiot kids who decide to play macho-man and way over-do it. Will they be risking death?
Also, we have no idea what sort of drug-interactions to expect with it. Just because it’s a cannabinoid doesn’t mean there aren’t any important ones as with THC. We also don’t know if this is something people are possibly allergic to, and what to expect if that’s the case. For all we know it might cause pulmonary edema!
My other concern is that someone will overdose on it, or go just freak out- there is some anxiogenesis- and end up in a hospital needing valium badly. Then there is public awareness of Spice Gold and within a period, we’ll be seeing it on our Nightly News. The DEA would probably love to bust someone with a bag of this, to give them a reason to start researching it, figuring out what’s in it and making that product illegal.
If the synthesis is easy (or, if in some imaginary world, the plant is easy to grow), we could be seeing this being sold illegally as well. It’s something I can see as a possible replacement to marijuana. Hard to believe, huh?
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