2C-T-7/piperazine are rescheduled

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Due to the fact that the original emergency scheduling of these compounds was set to soon expire, they have now been re-scheduled. This document was posted to the federal register on September 8, 2003 (Volume 68, Number 173):

[Federal Register: September 8, 2003 (Volume 68, Number 173)]
[Proposed Rules]
[Page 52872-52875]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Drug Enforcement Administration

21 CFR Part 1308

[Docket No. DEA-247P]


Schedules of Controlled Substances: Placement of 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-
(n)-propylthiophenethylamine, N-Benzylpiperazine and 1-(3-
Trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine Into Schedule I of the Controlled
Substances Act

AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Department of Justice.

ACTION: Notice of proposed rulemaking.



SUMMARY: The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
is issuing this notice of proposed rulemaking to place 2,5-dimethoxy-4-
(n)-propylthiophenethylamine (2C-T-7), N-Benzylpiperazine (BZP), and 1-
(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine (TFMPP) into Schedule I of the
Controlled Substances Act (CSA). This proposed action is based on data
gathered and reviewed by the DEA. If finalized, this proposed action
would continue to impose the criminal sanctions and regulatory controls
of Schedule I substances under the CSA on the manufacture,
distribution, and possession of 2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP.

DATES: Comments must be received on or before October 8, 2003.

ADDRESSES: Comments and objections should be submitted to the
Administrator, Drug Enforcement Administration, Washington DC 20537,
Attention: DEA Federal Register Representative/CCR.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Frank Sapienza, Chief, Drug and
Chemical Evaluation Section, Drug Enforcement Administration,
Washington, DC 20537, (202) 307-7183.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: On September 20, 2002, the Deputy
Administrator of the DEA published two final rules in the Federal
Register amending Sec. 1308.11(g) of Title 21 of the Code of Federal
Regulations to temporarily place 2C-T-7 (67 FR 59163), and BZP and
TFMPP (67 FR 59161) into Schedule I of the CSA pursuant to the
temporary scheduling provisions of 21 U.S.C. 811(h). These final rules,
which became effective on the date of publication, were based on
findings by the Deputy Administrator that the temporary scheduling of
2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP was necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the
public safety. The CSA (21 U.S.C. 811(h)(2)) requires that the
temporary scheduling of a substance expire at the end of one year from
the date of issuance of the order. However, if proceedings to schedule
a substance pursuant to 21 U.S.C. 811(a)(1) have been initiated and are
pending, the temporary scheduling of a substance may be extended for up
to six months. Under this provision, the temporary scheduling of 2C-T-
7, BZP, and TFMPP, which would expire on September 19, 2003, may be
extended to March 19, 2004. This extension is being ordered by the DEA
Administrator in a separate action.
In accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(b) of the CSA, DEA has gathered
and reviewed the available information regarding the pharmacology,
chemistry, trafficking, actual abuse, pattern of abuse, and the
relative potential for abuse of 2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP. The
Administrator has submitted these data to the Acting Assistant
Secretary for Health, Department of Health and Human Services. In
accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(b), the Administrator also requested a
scientific and medical evaluation and a scheduling recommendation for
2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP from the Acting Assistant Secretary for Health.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has notified the DEA that there
are no exemptions or approvals in effect under 21 U.S.C. 355 of the
Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act for 2C-T-7, BZP, or TFMPP. A search of the
scientific and medical literature revealed no indications of current
medical use of 2C-T-7, BZP, or TFMPP in the United States.

2,5-Dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine

What is 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine?

2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine (2C-T-7), a
phenethylamine hallucinogen, is structurally related to the Schedule I
phenethylamine 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (2CB), and other
hallucinogens (e.g., 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (DOM), and 1-(4-
bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-2-aminopropane (DOB)) in Schedule I of the
CSA. 2C-T-7 is a sulfur analogue of 2CB. Both substances have the
structural features necessary for stimulant and/or hallucinogenic
activity. Based on its structural similarity to 2CB, one would expect
2C-T-7's pharmacological profile to be qualitatively similar to 2CB if
evaluated in preclinical and clinical studies.
2C-T-7 is being abused for its action on the central nervous system
(CNS),

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and for its ability to produce euphoria with 2CB-like hallucinations.
2C-T-7 has not been approved for medical use in the United States by
the FDA. The safety of this substance for use in humans has never been
demonstrated.
Drug discrimination studies in animals have indicated that 2C-T-7
is a psychoactive substance capable of producing hallucinogenic-like
discriminative stimulus effects (i.e., subjective effects). 2C-T-7's
subjective effects were shown to share some commonality with LSD; it
partially substituted for LSD up to doses that severely disrupted
performance in rats trained to discriminate LSD (Committee on Problems
on Drug Dependence, Drug Evaluation Committee, Personal Communication).
Like 2CB, DOM, and DOB, 2C-T-7 displays affinity for central serotonin
receptors. Radioligand binding assays showed that 2C-T-7 affinity for
the 5-HT receptor system was selective. Self-reports indicate that the
hallucinogenic effects of 2C-T-7 are comparable to those of 2CB and
mescaline.

Why is 2C-T-7 Being Controlled?

The abuse of stimulant/hallucinogenic substances in popular all
night dance parties (raves) and in other venues has been a major
problem in Europe since the 1990s. In the past several years, this
activity has spread to the United States. The Schedule I controlled
substance MDMA and its analogues, collectively known as Ecstasy, are
the most popular drugs abused at these raves. Their abuse has been
associated with both acute and long-term public health and safety
problems. These raves have also become venues for the trafficking and
abuse of other controlled substances. 2C-T-7 made its appearance in the
``rave'' scene in Wisconsin, Oakland, California, and the Atlanta,
Georgia areas.
The abuse of 2C-T-7 by young adults in the United States began to
spread in the year 2000. Since that time, 2C-T-7 has been encountered
by law enforcement agencies in Northern Wisconsin, Texas, Tennessee,
Washington, Oklahoma, Atlanta, Georgia, and the San Francisco,
California areas. DEA information shows that 2C-T-7 has been observed
at local ``rave'' parties in California and part of the Southeastern
United States.
Information gathered by DEA also indicates that 2C-T-7 has been
purchased in powder form over the Internet and distributed as such. In
the United States, capsules containing 2C-T-7 powder also have been
encountered.
An Internet company was identified as a source of 2C-T-7 being sold
in the United States. The business was operated from the owner's
residence. Law enforcement authorities in Tennessee made a controlled
purchase of 2C-T-7 from this Internet company; 250 mg of 2C-T-7 was
purchased for $150.00. The owner has been charged with the distribution
of 2C-T-7 and other products. 2C-T-7 has been clandestinely produced in
the United States. A clandestine laboratory, identified as the supplier
of 2C-T-7 to this Internet company, was seized in 2002 by DEA in Las
Vegas, Nevada. 2C-T-7 has been sold as ``Tweety-Bird Mescaline.'' It
has also been found in combination with N,N-dipropyltryptamine (DPT).
Sensory distortion and impaired judgment can lead to serious
consequences for both the user and the general public. 2C-T-7 can have
lethal effects when abused alone or in combination with other illicit
drugs. To date, three deaths have been associated with the abuse of 2C-
T-7. The first death occurred in Oklahoma during April of 2000; a young
healthy male overdosed on 2C-T-7 following intranasal administration.
The co-abuse of 2C-T-7 with MDMA will pose a significant health risk if
2C-T-7's popularity increases in the same venues as with MDMA. The co-
abuse of 2C-T-7 with MDMA has resulted in lethal effects. The other two
2C-T-7 related deaths occurred in April 2001 and resulted from the co-
abuse of 2C-T-7 with MDMA. One young man died in Tennessee while
another man died in the state of Washington.

N-Benzylpiperazine and 1-(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine

What are N-Benzylpiperazine and 1-(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine?

N-Benzylpiperazine (BZP) and 1-(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine
(TFMPP) are piperazine derivatives. BZP was first synthesized as a
potential antiparasitic agent. It was subsequently shown to possess
amphetamine-like and some antidepressant activity, but was not
developed for marketing. TFMPP is an industrial chemical and shares
some pharmacological similarities with 3,4-
methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA or Ecstasy). Both BZP and TFMPP are
primarily used as chemical intermediates and have no accepted medical
use in the United States. The safety of these piperazines for use in
humans has never been demonstrated.
The available evidence suggests that the pharmacological effects of
BZP and TFMPP are substantially similar to amphetamine and MDMA,
respectively. The abuse liability studies conducted by the Drug
Evaluation Committee of the College on Problems of Drug Dependence
indicate that rhesus monkeys consistently self-administer BZP and
exhibit stimulant-like behavioral effects following BZP self-
administration sessions. BZP fully generalizes to amphetamine's
discriminative stimulus in monkeys. TFMPP generalizes to MDMA's
discriminative stimulus effects and serves as discriminative stimulus
in rats. Serotonergic mechanisms mainly underlie the discriminative
stimulus effects of TFMPP.
Consistent with the above-mentioned animal studies, it has been
shown that BZP is about 20 times more potent than amphetamine in
producing stimulant-like subjective and cardiovascular effects in
humans (Bye C, et al., Eur. J. Clin. Pharmacol. 6: 163-169, 1973).
Similarly, Campbell and colleagues (Eur. J. Clin. Pharmacol. 6: 170-
176, 1973), using a double-blind clinical study involving 18 subjects
with a history of amphetamine dependence, reported that the nature and
the time-course of behavioral, autonomic and subjective effects
following BZP administration are similar to those of amphetamine. BZP
was found to be about 10 times more potent than amphetamine in this
study.
Self-reports suggest that the subjective effects of BZP are
stimulant-like and TFMPP is an active hallucinogen. These reports
collectively suggest that BZP has amphetamine-like subjective and
reinforcing effects, while TFMPP might have MDMA-like subjective
effects in humans. Similar to other classical hallucinogens, TFMPP also
binds to serotonin receptors. TFMPP, similar to MDMA, has been shown to
release 5-HT from central serotonergic neurons through uptake carrier-
dependent mechanism (Pettibone D and Williams M, Biochem. Pharmacol.
33: 1531-1535, 1984; Auerbach SB, et al., Neuropharmacol. 30: 307-311,
1991).

Why are BZP and TFMPP Being Controlled?

The initial indication of the abuse of BZP and TFMPP appeared in
late 1996. An individual in Santa Barbara, California, promoted the use
and sale of these and other ring-substituted phenylpiperazines homologs
(i.e., 3-chlorophenyl-piperazine and 4-methoxyphenylpiperazine) through
the Internet.
The abuse of BZP/TFMPP has been growing as evidenced by the
increasing encounters by law enforcement agencies since the late
1990's. BZP powder, or tablets containing BZP alone or in combination
with TFMPP, have been

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seized by federal and state/local law enforcement agencies in 21 states
and Washington DC. Since 2000, there have been 77 cases involving
seizures of BZP/TFMPP with total of over 33,000 tablets/capsules and
752,000 grams of powder. Although both BZP and TFMPP have legitimate
uses as chemical intermediates, they are being purchased illegally from
Internet chemical supply houses. They are sold in powder or liquid form
or formulated into tablets and sold on the Internet for human
consumption. These substances are being promoted as legal alternatives
to MDMA and sold as ``Ecstasy'' or as ``BZP'', ``A2'', ``legal E'', or
``legal X''. Law enforcement data indicate that these piperazines are
mainly encountered as tablets, with imprints of logos commonly seen on
MDMA tablets.
The available scientific evidence as discussed above suggests that
BZP and TFMPP share substantial pharmacological similarities with the
Schedule II controlled substance amphetamine and the Schedule I
controlled substance MDMA, respectively. The risks to the public health
associated with amphetamine and MDMA, both substances with high
potential for abuse, are well known and documented. BZP is about 10 to
20 times more potent than amphetamine in producing stimulant-like
subjective, euphoric and cardiovascular effects in humans. TFMPP,
similar to MDMA, produces hallucinogenic effects. BZP and TFMPP can
alter sensory and judgment processes and thus can cause serious adverse
health consequences for both the user and the general public. DEA is
aware of several instances where BZP and TFMPP have been used in
combination and sold as counterfeit MDMA, a Schedule I controlled
substance. In 2001, a report from a university in Zurich, Switzerland
details the death of a young female which was attributed to the
combined use of BZP and MDMA. The above data show that the continued,
uncontrolled tablet production, distribution and abuse of BZP and TFMPP
pose an imminent hazard to the public safety. There are no recognized
therapeutic uses of these substances in the United States.
The Administrator, based on the information gathered and reviewed
by her staff and after consideration of the factors in 21 U.S.C.
811(c), believes that sufficient data exist to support the placement of
2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP into Schedule I of the CSA pursuant to 21 U.S.C.
811(a). The specific findings required pursuant to 21 U.S.C. 811 and
812 for a substance to be placed into Schedule I are as follows:
(1) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(2) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical
use in treatment in the United States.
(3) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other
substance under medical supervision.
Before issuing a final rule in this matter, the DEA Administrator
will take into consideration the scientific and medical evaluation and
scheduling recommendation of the Department of Health and Human
Services in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(b). The Administrator will
also consider relevant comments from other concerned parties.
Interested persons are invited to submit their comments,
objections, or requests for a hearing in writing, with regard to this
proposal. Requests for a hearing should state with particularity the
issues concerning which the person desires to be heard. All
correspondence regarding this matter should be submitted to the
Administrator, Drug Enforcement Administration, Washington, DC 20537.
In the event that comments, objections or requests for a hearing raise
one or more questions that the Administrator finds warrants a hearing,
the Administrator shall publish a notice in the Federal Register
summarizing the issues to be heard and setting the time for the
hearing.

What Is the Effect of This Proposed Rule?

This proposed rule, if finalized, would continue to subject those
who handle 2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP to the regulatory controls and
administrative, civil and criminal sanctions applicable to the
manufacture, distribution, dispensing, importing and exporting of a
Schedule I controlled substance.

Regulatory Certification

Regulatory Flexibility Act

The Administrator hereby certifies that this proposed rulemaking
has been drafted in accordance with the Regulatory Flexibility Act (5
U.S.C. 605(b)), has reviewed this regulation, and by approving it
certifies that this regulation will not have a significant economic
impact on a substantial number of small entities. This action
permanently places 2C-T-7, BZP, and TFMPP into Schedule I of the
Controlled Substances Act.

Executive Order 12988

This regulation meets the applicable standards set forth in
Sections 3(a) and 3(b)(2) of Executive Order 12988 Civil Justice
Reform.

Executive Order 13132 Federalism

This proposed rulemaking will not have substantial direct effects
on the States, on the relationship between the national government and
the States, or on the distribution of power and responsibilities among
the various levels of government. Therefore, in accordance with
Executive Order 13132, it is determined that this proposed rulemaking
will not have sufficient federalism implications to warrant the
preparation of a Federalism Assessment.

Unfunded Mandates Reform Act

This proposed rulemaking will not result in the expenditure by
State, local and tribal governments, in the aggregate, or by the
private sector, of $100,000,000 or more in any one year, and it will
not significantly or uniquely affect small governments. Therefore, no
actions were deemed necessary under provisions of the Unfunded Mandates
Reform Act of 1995.

Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996

This proposed rulemaking is not a major rule as defined by Sec.
804 of the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996.
This rule will not result in an annual effect on the economy of
$100,000,000 or more; a major increase in costs or prices; or
significant adverse effects on competition, employment, investment,
productivity, innovation, or on the ability of United States-based
companies to compete with foreign-based companies in domestic and
export markets.

List of Subjects in 21 CFR Part 1308

Administrative practice and procedure, Drug traffic control,
Narcotics, Prescription drugs.

For the reasons set out above, 21 CFR part 1308 is proposed to be
amended as follows:

PART 1308--SCHEDULES OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES

1. The authority citation for part 1308 continues to read as
follows:

Authority: 21 U.S.C. 811, 812, 871(b) unless otherwise noted.

2. Section 1308.11 is proposed to be amended by:
a. Redesignating existing paragraphs (d)(6) through (d)(27) as
paragraphs (d)(7) through (d)(28),
b. Adding a new paragraph (d)(6),
c. Redesignating existing paragraphs (d)(28) through (d)(31) as
paragraphs (d)(30) through (d)(33),
d. Adding a new paragraph (d)(29),

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e. Redesignating existing paragraphs (f)(2) through (f)(7) as
paragraphs (f)(3) through (f)(8),
f. And adding a new paragraph (f)(2) to read as follows:


Sec. 1308.11 Schedule I.

* * * * *
(d) * * *
(6) 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine (other name: 2C-T-
7)--7348.
* * *
(29) 1-(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine (other name: TFMPP)--
7494.
* * * * *
(f) * * *
(2) N-Benzylpiperazine (some other names: BZP, 1-
benzylpiperazine)--7493.
* * * * *






(note: This URL may be dynamic, and therefore change)
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2003/03-22684.htm
 
seriously, take your time to read some of this bullshit

...for its ability to produce euphoria with ... hallucinations

how the hell is that a reason to make it illegal?

The abuse of stimulant/hallucinogenic substances in popular all night dance parties (raves) and in other venues has been a major problem in Europe since the 1990s. In the past several years, this activity has spread to the United States. The Schedule I controlled substance MDMA and its analogues, collectively known as Ecstasy, are the most popular drugs abused at these raves. Their abuse has been associated with both acute and long-term public health and safety problems. These raves have also become venues for the trafficking and abuse of other controlled substances. 2C-T-7 made its appearance in the ``rave'' scene in Wisconsin, Oakland, California, and the Atlanta, Georgia areas.

and the "rave scene" has what to do with making 2-ct-7 illegal? as if raves are the sole reason that people "abuse" it. recockulous.
 
what about

" BZP and TFMPP can alter sensory and judgment processes and thus can cause serious adverse
health consequences for both the user and the general public"

wtf....ho can it have serious adverse
health consequences for the general public.

sound like a description for alcohol and that really does cause problems for the general public.
 
why are they so scared the moment a hallucination occurs? i mean come on, MDMA is only mildly at the most hallucinagenic. best visuals for me too date is rainbow's over a persons face is was talking to and closed eye rainbows.

but as THE WOOD pointed out. there's some pretty 1/2 baked ideas in that. it's a long read but the further you go the dumber they get.
at the top i was, yeah, whatever, still schedule 1. who cares, but then in comes the old, 'blame it on the rave scene' line. when will the get over it? kill the rave scene, people move onto another 'scene' continue to take drugs.
wow. what a predicament. maybe they'll take the asian methods in the near future (at this rate SOON) and start choppin off heads and filling you full of bullet holes if you decide to....oh no.....take EEEEEEEEEEE the world's most HORRIFIC DRUG TO DATE!!!!!! WAAAHHHHHH

i do however wonder, what would their thoughts be if alcohol had only appeared 20-30 years ago and all the kids were binging and vomiting and fighting and crashing cars into their grandparents houses? i don't think they'd take to kindly to THAT! oh the irony of it all.
is it even ironic...hmmm
 
I find it interesting that they make direct references to DPT, and even spell out its full name, yet DPT goes on remaining legal (for now). That made me laugh. Theres a lot of predjudice against ravers it seems
 
Hey folks dont be surprised they need money so they'll say anything to get funding. Its only a matter of time though that the general public will realze that the DEA and Police dont want to be rid of drugs, why? They'll be unemployed.
 

Drug discrimination studies in animals have indicated that 2C-T-7
is a psychoactive substance capable of producing hallucinogenic-like
discriminative stimulus effects (i.e., subjective effects). 2C-T-7's
subjective effects were shown to share some commonality with LSD; it
partially substituted for LSD up to doses that severely disrupted
performance in rats trained to discriminate LSD (Committee on Problems
on Drug Dependence, Drug Evaluation Committee, Personal Communication).
Like 2CB, DOM, and DOB, 2C-T-7 displays affinity for central serotonin
receptors.

Woah, hold on now. Where's the reference to this study? Did the DEA just perform this one? Because prior to the emergency scheduling, there were no such studies that had ever been performed.




An Internet company was identified as a source of 2C-T-7 being sold in the United States. The business was operated from the owner's
residence. Law enforcement authorities in Tennessee made a controlled
purchase of 2C-T-7 from this Internet company; 250 mg of 2C-T-7 was
purchased for $150.00. The owner has been charged with the distribution
of 2C-T-7 and other products. 2C-T-7 has been clandestinely produced in
the United States. A clandestine laboratory, identified as the supplier
of 2C-T-7 to this Internet company, was seized in 2002 by DEA in Las
Vegas, Nevada. 2C-T-7 has been sold as ``Tweety-Bird Mescaline.'' It
has also been found in combination with N,N-dipropyltryptamine (DPT).

A supplier, based in Las Vegas, was busted for this? Did anyone ever hear about this? Does anyone have any news articles relating to this? I'm assuming the owner that was busted that they are referring to is <3<3<3. But I'd never heard anything about this Las Vegas seizure. I would imagine that one is still making it's way through the courts.



Consistent with the above-mentioned animal studies, it has been
shown that BZP is about 20 times more potent than amphetamine in
producing stimulant-like subjective and cardiovascular effects in
humans (Bye C, et al., Eur. J. Clin. Pharmacol. 6: 163-169, 1973).
Similarly, Campbell and colleagues (Eur. J. Clin. Pharmacol. 6: 170-
176, 1973), using a double-blind clinical study involving 18 subjects
with a history of amphetamine dependence, reported that the nature and
the time-course of behavioral, autonomic and subjective effects
following BZP administration are similar to those of amphetamine. BZP
was found to be about 10 times more potent than amphetamine in this
study.


BZP is about 10 to 20 times more potent than amphetamine in producing stimulant-like subjective, euphoric and cardiovascular effects in humans.

Come on. Now, these are just plain lies. I had read a few years back that BZP was 1/10 the potency of amphetamine...not the other way around. Where the hell are they pulling this shit from. If BZP were 10-20 times more potent than amphetamine then 5-10mg would be a good dose. Anyone who's taken BZP (or even read reports on its use) would know that a typical dose exceeds 100mg.
 
i find it amuzing that they continued to make it sound like it was mainly in raves and rave this, and rave that................how do they think it got INTO the party? from the fuckin streets thats how...........so i think the law enforcement need to stop it from the top of the chain.......not at the bottom where its the kids using it. fuckin idiots need to check their priorities.

BB
 
The reference to Europe is a joke, it was never ever big here, 99.99999% of drug users will have never heard of it.
It was only banned here (UK) after the US websites started selling it.
 
The first time I "abused" 2c-t-7, I was technically a raver, and so was the person I abused the drug with. We made plans to purchase 2c-t-7 from an Internet supplier while, by sheer coinidence, at a woods party, or a rave. The party wasn't very good, and we were both sober, so I dunno if it counts.

We didn't abuse any 2c-t-7 at raves. We needed a clear head to make fun of people with fun fur pants, except for that one time she was abusing Ecstasy to the point it she didn't feel the need to make fun of other, less subtle Ecstasy abusers. We were at a club, so I don't think that really counts.

See how stupid the word "abuse" is if you misuse it? Right now I'm abusing the keyboard. I'm abusing a bag of tortilla chips, and I'm about to abuse a cigarette.
 
Damn, I thought some day I'd have to start reading about living right across the border, half hour drive, to windsor, Ontario, Canada. More like SOON. I can go over there, talk to some real nice, cool people (seem a lot smarter for the most part, than an average stupid american), smoke a joint, if i'm horny and have some extra cash, call up a legal hooker, I can probably easily order my good old, missed friend, "G" also.

Yeah, 20 times as potent as amphetamine...so they can just flat out lie, to get it passed. If i pack a normal sized capsule full of bzp, I get a decent stim effect, because of my amphetamine tolerance, it probably takes 300-400mg of that stuff in the capsule. That would be equal (not "equal" but more like "similar" stim effects) to like..20-30mg of dexedrine, in my body anyway.

^^ of course, this is all un-true, pure fiction, 100% from a dream I had.

(i'm not even sure what free speech we have anymore, with all these patriot acts, etc. - i'm not caught up, i can't read the ACLU news every day, with all thats going on, it would be like a 2nd job, just reading daily about which rights we lost this day, and that day.)
 
Interestingly BZP and its relatives are still sold OTC in cornerstores, clothing and record outlets, comic book stores - everywhere in New Zealand.

Theres about as much interest in making it illegal as there is in making nutmeg illegal - its a crap drug, no-one would do it if it where illegal, or if other drugs where legal.

Thank god the world seems to be slowly stopping taking all this reactionary bullshit on board.

If it aint popular, highly recreational in effect and easy to take and acquire, why the hell would even a prohibitionist bother making it illegal?
 
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