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2C-T-7 (insuff; 3rd time) + Ambien (exp) -- Alice, Meet Wonderland

VictorBorge

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A short while ago I had my all-time most amazing drug-induced visual experience: 15-20mg of 2C-T-7 insufflated (this was actually verging on too strong, I do not plan to repeat) followed by 10mg Ambien after the peak. Oh my God, every aspect of my surroundings became fantastical/fasmagorical, but in perfect visual clarity. In some ways it resembled a big hit of salvia in terms of the extreme depersonalization and defamiliarization of my surroudings -- I couldn't tell if the heating vent in the ceiling was a sea anenome or what but it was happy and weird and waving a watery hello at me.

This was my first experience with a truly Alice in Wonderland trip, as in "where the hell am I, this is so bizarre, and so incredibly beautiful!" Normally on psychedelics, even when I'm tripping very hard I'm aware I am tripping, except for brief flashes of ego loss when I am aware of nothing but my bare existence. In this combination, though, I was as permanently out of touch with reality as I've ever been on anything with the possible exception of 10 hits of acid. Nothing was familiar, but at the same time nothing was threatening. It was not really a psychedelic experience, as it would be hard to say I was even "thinking" -- more like an amazing lucid open-eye dream.

My thoughts were so randomized by the depressant effect of the Ambien that I briefly thought to myself, "This is me finally going insane -- and it's FUN!". But shortly after that I sort of "woke up" and realized I was drooling on myself and the magazine I had been reading fairly successfully only minutes before was lying across my face.

The only downside to Ambien is the incredibly short durationL: under an hour, in fact peak effects are markedly gone within 30 minutes. But it hits FAST, in like 1-2 minutes orally.

Ambien is, for me, by far the most effective visual potentiator of 5-HT2 psychedelics out there. Makes cannabis look like pseudephedrine.
 
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wow

i need to try this. i dont think i will be sticking any RC's up my nose those. I reserve that route specially for all the byproducts and adulturants in cocaine and heroin.
 
I've been thinking of taking a similar ammount of 2C-T-7 rectally. Thanks for the report! :). Could you please elaborate more on the duration of the T7 through insufflation?
 
I really do not prefer insufflation but for some reason, with 2C-T-7 it seems for me to be the more enjoyable route for low-to-medium doses. I have yet to explore high (35mg+) oral doses, though, and I'm hoping they are even more rewarding. Lower oral doses are too nauseating in relation to the intensity.

I may also try rectal admin again too. I tried it once with about 15mg of T-7 and was disappointed. It did not differ much from the oral route, a bit more potent but still not what I was looking for. I'd probably aim for 20-25mg rectally if I ever tried that again.

Jamshyd: The duration insufflated, at least with 20mg, was quite long. It hit almost immediately, in that way that psychedelics do that make you say to yourself, "This may have been too much." The burn was easily three times worse than the burn with 7mg, which I never minded. I'd say the peak was over in 60 minutes, and it was a hell of a ride up, felt more like 2 hours, with me hanging on for dear life -- but the best part of the trip was the plateau that followed, which lasted another two hours. Sleep was still not forthcoming at T+6:00 and I took another 10mg of Ambien to help fall asleep (which did the trick).

Unlike some other 2C's the comedown did not feel overly speedy, there was a relaxing quality to it and even just after the peak, I could close my eyes and meditate into a kind of quasi-sleep which was quite peaceful. 2C-E is like this and I hear 2C-T-4 is as well. 2C-I and 2C-B, definitely not.

Even though I kind of scared myself with this dose and the method of administration, I am now fully enamored of 2C-T-7, for sure. It may be tied with 2C-E for my effections among the phens, although 2C-E has never been quite this rough with me. Sometimes I like it rough though.... ;)
 
Wow, amazing trip Victor, sounds like loads of fun.

Did you not have any body-load problems? I find T7 ok on the body but I have heard of others who find it tough, especially when snorted.

The ambien thing sounds interesting too. Usually depressants cause diminished visuals, for me. Does ambien also potentiate LSD visuals, and 2C-E/B/I visuals? visuals are not something I get a lot of unless I take heroic doses.
 
My most visually extraordinary psychedelic experiences were with a bit less than 10mg 2C-T-7 insufflated followed by repeated doses of salvia, nitrous oxide and MJ and a xanax. Very "Alice in Wonderland". I've done this twice, two similar experiences.
The duration insufflated, at least with 20mg, was quite long. It hit almost immediately, in that way that psychedelics do that make you say to yourself, "This may have been too much."
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I'd say the peak was over in 60 minutes, and it was a hell of a ride up, felt more like 2 hours, with me hanging on for dear life -- but the best part of the trip was the plateau that followed, which lasted another two hours.
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ditto, spent part of the come up in fetus position
Unlike some other 2C's the comedown did not feel overly speedy, there was a relaxing quality to it and even just after the peak, I could close my eyes and meditate into a kind of quasi-sleep which was quite peaceful.
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This was 5 years ago. As amazing as these journeys were, I won't repeat. Both times I felt physically threatened with periods of shortness of breath and a way too over-active heartbeat especially during the come up and peak. Thus the xanax, which seemed to have little effect. Also I felt horrible muscle cramps, mostly in my thighs and legs during the come up, which were quite a distraction. That said, the plateau and ramp down were awesome, a feeling of well-being (relative to the come up), and also way down the rabbit hole. A sense of great satisfaction from having survived the comeup. Seemed as though I spent quite a long time living simultaneously in both the consensual reality (often hard to discern through the psychedelic soup) and this other dissassociative world reality as a dayglow overlay. The salvia after effects seemed to last a long time. I've never had Ambien, but reports seem to indicate it will potentiate, or be potentiated by, psychedelics simularly to salvia, nitrous or MJ (though with different effect).
I hold on to these memories with great fondness but I won't go back there. At times too physically threatening and uncomfortable.

By comparison, I found 25mg 2C-T-7 oral, with no other inebriants, to also have many of the same physical problems though much less magnified and a different trip altogether.
 
VictorBorge said:
I really do not prefer insufflation but for some reason, with 2C-T-7 it seems for me to be the more enjoyable route for low-to-medium doses. I have yet to explore high (35mg+) oral doses, though, and I'm hoping they are even more rewarding. Lower oral doses are too nauseating in relation to the intensity.
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I consider myself quite an experienced 2C-T-7 voyager. I have many dozen experiences with at, at dosages between 10mg and 50mg. It is my favorite synthetic psychedelic.

Unlike other psychedelics, I did not find 2C-T-7 very useful at all at museum-level dosages. The bodyload and nausea factor always outweighed the mellow color-changes and euphoria I got. Above 35mg, or so, 2C-T-7 is a whole different animal for me. MDMA-like emotions, and the most incredible visionary (read: not visual) experience of any synthetic.

As for snorting it, the few times I tried...it was never worth it. None of the emotions and introspection were there. I had some amazing visual experiences, somewhat as you described...but the trip was largely pointless.

While I can't recommend you use 2C-T-7, one would want to explore higher levels (orally) before giving up. I wish I had insight on plugging it, but I've not yet tried it.
 
Excellent!

I am so glad you're not a total stranger to these areas, your works are always so fascinating to read :) Even if snorting t7 seems horrid to imagine....
 
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Did you not have any body-load problems? I find T7 ok on the body but I have heard of others who find it tough, especially when snorted.
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OK, let's talk about body load. Like wombat the body load from this dose and method of admin was such that I will never, ever repeat this again. It was very, very worrysome at times. I was tripping too hard to deal with my blood pressure monitor, but I would bet my life my diastolic was over 100 and my heart rate pushing 150 for a while. My face was flushed and puffy and my ears ringing like someone had just shot off a gun next to my head.

And yes, nausea (which i"ve never gotten from an insufflated dose of anything before), stomach clenching, voiding bowels, the works. And it all hit at once. The following day or two my muscles felt like I'd been pumping some serious iron. I didn't realize it at the time but I must have been fully clenched for the whole trip.

I really want to stress to those who think this trip sounds like fun: it was only fun after I realized I was going to survive. Do not assume just because I had no major problems that it is safe for you.

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The ambien thing sounds interesting too. Usually depressants cause diminished visuals, for me. Does ambien also potentiate LSD visuals, and 2C-E/B/I visuals?
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In my experience so far, ambien potentiates anything with visuals. But I should emphasize: it doesn't "bring out" the visual distortions the way pot does -- it totally alters whatever visuals you're having to begin with, changing them from interesting textures, colors etc. into full-blown hallucinations of fantastic, impossible images. So maybe potentiator is the wrong word, it doesn't make the visuals stronger, it makes them more realistic, although in a dreamlike way.

MGS, I fully intend to explore it again, orally, at a more full dosage. I agree the mental and spiritual rewards of this trip were not what I would want in comparison to the visual effects (and body load). I had about an hour of post-peak emotional bliss, opening, and psychedelic cleansing, but I'm sure with an oral dose this would have been deepened and extended, and that's exactly what I would have liked.

I have actually tried plugging T7 once, at a similar dose (15-20mg, sorry I can't remember exactly), and it was only barely stronger than a similar oral dose. I am not that experienced with plugging so maybe I did it wrong or something, but it was not an immediate success. If I tried it again I would use 50% more material.

Oh, and a final note of harm reduction: a big reason this trip almost went out of control was measuring. A) My scale is in bad shape and badly needs replacing, I have ever less faith in its accuracy, and B) I measured this dose in a real hurry. Both of these were careless ways to operate and I urge everyone to make sure they have a quality scale, well cared for, and measure the dose at least twice. I even thought to myself "Huh, that looks like a lot for 15mg", which is why I listed it in my report as 15-20. Hell, it could even have been 25 for all I know. Be careful with potent materials!
 
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Wow.. bit of a high dose to snort T7.
People have died from snorting only a bit more than that :p
 
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