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2C-T-4 - First time - Not quite there

mik82

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gamma 2CT-4 - First time - Not quite there

Previous experience: 2C-I, 2C-B, MDMA, MDA, MDEA, shrooms, 5meo-dipt….
Substances
15mg gamma 2-CT-4
(2,6-DIMETHOXY-4-(i)-PROPYLTHIOPHENETHYLAMINE)
Setting
In the living room of our new house with 3 other good friends.
Report
This was quite a weird substance to try as I couldn’t find much about it. There’s only a fleeting mention in pihkal and that seemed to be all I could find. It was recommended to take 7.5mg – 15mg but the pihkal report mentioned little effect at low dose so I went for 15mg.
We ingested the substance dissolved in water and sat back in the living room and started watching some videos. I felt first effects within about ten minutes but my friends didn’t really feel anything. This is probably due to my prior experience with other 2C- type chemicals – I knew what I was expecting. It felt like the start of a 2C-I trip.
After 30 mins the trip was slowly building. All of my friends started to feel something. It didn’t really seem to be coming on fast. Again there were similarities with 2C-I. I was getting slight tracers when moving around and lights looked sparkly and had long rays shining off them. Smoking some weed brought the visuals out a bit more but it was still very much a background thing rather than the full on warping that I got off 2C-I. My friends said that they thought it wasn’t strong enough but I told them to wait.
After 1hr it was still building. At this point I was starting to feel a little disappointed. I was sure that I should be feeling more at this point. As my previous 2C-I experience had been truly amazing I was getting into a negative state of mind due to this thought. This wasn’t helping and I tried to forget that and think about this as something different.
The slow comeup continued past the 1hr 30 mark with visuals slowly increasing. There was a slight shifting of colours and lights left small tracers. My head was very clear which is something I’ve noticed with 2C-I and 2C-B. At this point I started to feel a tightness in my stomach. It wasn’t too bad but was enough to distract me slightly.
After about 2hr 30 mins I felt I’d reached a peak. It wasn’t particularly impressive and disappointed me as it felt like there was potential for a decent trip which was never reached. All of my friends felt the same. We smoked lots more weed which made the experience a bit more intense, bringing out more colour shifting but these things were only visible if you concentrated on them. One picture on the wall caught my attention and by looking at it I started to see a movie playing on it of this person’s face morphing and changing shape.
The peak continued for about 3-4hrs after. It was hard to tell as we continued smoking weed and the heavy stoned feeling started to overpower the gamma-2CT-4. The tight stomach got worse during the peak but calmed down as I got more stoned.
Towards the end of the peak I started to get waves in which the effect would diminish then slowly build back in again and out again. This continued for quite a while. 8hrs after I’d taken the stuff I decided to go to bed. I found it impossible to get to sleep despite being extremely tired. I just lay in bed for about 6hrs before getting out and having a shower which refreshed me and made me feel ok. I felt a bit cracked out for the remainder of the day – any effort was quite difficult as I felt drained though this was probably due in a large part to smoking large amounts of weed and not having any sleep.
Comments
Gamma 2CT-4 is interesting as it is a phenethylamine with a 2,4,6- substitution pattern rather than the 2,4,5- of the more common ones such as 2C-I, 2C-B, 2CT-7 etc etc. What was interesting was that the basic feeling of the chemical was very similar to that of 2C-I. The visual effects were similar as was the general “body buzz”. It had a much higher body load than 2C-I but from reading reports of the 2CT- compounds this is common.
I felt that this compound might have potential at higher doses – if I get a next time I might try 25-30 mg though I’m a bit apprehensive due to the stomach discomfort that the small dose caused

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very interesting read, and the only other trip documentation I have ever seen besides Shulgins. This should go on erowid. Also enjoyed reading the TMA-6 report.
 
Excellent report! It's nice to see some other trip reports of the more exotic research chemicals around here. :)
I agree, submit this to erowid...
 
Dont assume its gamma-2C-T-4 yet. Could just be 2C-T-4. A sample has been sent to a lab Dr. Shulgin refered me to. If the lab is open today in spite of the Genocidal Invasion Day holid...err, I mean, the Columbus Day Holocaust... er, holiday.
Anyway, if the lab is open today, we should know tonight whether this substance is indeed gamma-2C-T-4 or 2C-T-4 or something else. If the lab isn't open today, we won't know until at least the 28th, since the lab will be closed temporarily.
I'm passing your report on to him, since this appears to be the first report not connected with either Shulgin's group or the vendor of the chemical.
Good job. I'm sure I'll have mor questions for you in a few hours when my brain is functional.
 
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Also, after talking to Shulgin... Erowid has a typo, the proper name is psi-2C-T-4, not gamma-2C-T-4... if thats what it is at all. The lab work is not yet done.
 
Thank you for submitting one about a lesser known chemical, whether it be 2C-T-4 or psi-2C-T-4.
It seems as though you are being quite careful, but please proceed with caution. And if you do try 25-30mg please write another report for us.
 
It's quite difficult to tell how long it lasted as I went to bed 8hrs after taking. It was still affecting me then but I think the peak lasted about 3hrs. The other problem was how stoned I got which made it difficult to tell what was going on towards the end of the experience. The effects were definitely completely gone when I got out of bed which was about 13-14hrs after I'd taken it.
 
THat duration sure doesnt sound like 2C-T-4. Perhaps this really is psi-2C-T-4. Well, the lab will soon say.
 
Interesting report! Thanks for posting.
Murple: Any word on the lab test?
 
You know, this report does sound more like what psi-2C-T-4 should be (I am refering to the dosage because PIHKAL makes it seem as though 15 mg would be pretty heavy), however...when I think of the variable results we have seen with 2C-T-7 (some people taking 75 mg orally and bearly feeling it, and others finding 10 mg more than enough for their tastes, not to mention the greatly varying subjective effects reported) this report is not so surprising.
I have a feeling 2C-T-4 is going to have the same erratic effects of 2C-T-7.
[ 12 January 2003: Message edited by: morninggloryseed ]
 
Originally posted by morninggloryseed:
You know, this report does sound more like what psi-2C-T-4 should be, however...when I think of the variable results we have seen with 2C-T-7 (some people taking 75 mg orally and bearly feeling it, and others finding 10 mg more than enough for their tastes, not to mention the greatly varying subjective effects reported) this report is not so surprising.
I have a feeling 2C-T-4 is going to have the same erratic effects of 2C-T-7.

Well lets just hope we don't find the variability includes some people discovering their lethal threshold, like some did with 2C-T-7.
 
Yeah... 2C-T-4 is much more potent (8-20mg listed in PIHKAL). If people start snorting it, and it shares whatever unknown property 2C-T-7 has that makes it potentially lethal... well, lets just hope people have learned something from history.
 
As a bit of an update I tried the substance again, this time at 20mg with a couple of other friends. The effects were slightly stronger but once again there was a feeling of being on a threshold but never quite going over the edge. There were some slight visual effects and I definitely felt altered. One thing I did notice was an extremely long duration which was quite annoying as I persisted in an unuseful and slightly annoying state for ages. I think I was still feeling it about 10-12 hours after I'd taken the dose.
 
Unfortunately I haven't. One thing that is strange is that all of my friends had similar effects so if there's variation of sensitivity all of my friends must respond pretty much the same way as me.
 
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