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2C-T-2 - Second time - Unexpected Ego Death

Jhon

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Today was Wednesday, and the previous Monday (nine days ago) had been my first experience with 2C-T-2. I had had a reasonable experience, but with no insights or real sparkle, so I wanted to make this one a bit better. Last time I took 14ml of our solution (of about 1mg/ml, though we think it's actually 10-20% stronger than this). This time, I took 16.

I had only had four hours of sleep the previous night, and I was a tiny bit reluctant to take the compound, but I was sure it wouldn't cause any problems.

We took the 2C-T-2 and went out to the park to smoke a spliff before the comeup. Last time hadn't given me too much discomfort, but chris had experienced some at 18ml so I thought it prudent to ease my stomach this time. The nausea was definitely abated by using the cannabis.

Last time I took the 2C-T-2 I had come up in about five waves of increasing effect, similar to MDMA rushes. But this time I was playing a flight sim at the time I should have been coming up. I finished the game, and as soon as my mind was free of the concentration, I was hit with a huge wave, and had to lie down. At this point I was slightly worried because I was expecting five or so more waves, each one harder than the last, but I soon realised that my playing the game had caused all the comeup to be concentrated into one wave.

Soon we went out to walk round the park.
It was a pleasant day, and the sunlight was giving me lovely rainbow visuals. The stones on the path were beautifully detailed, and I felt like I could have stared at them for hours without getting bored. A cut rock face (this park used to be a quarry) appeared to be the ultimate Mount Rushmore, with hundreds of faces appearing and disappearing in the jutting blocks of stone. Lichens on the stone were miniature mazes, intricate details zooming into the surface, and glowing with cycling colours. Bare trees were explosions of light beaming from underground.

Time was altered in an interesting way; it wasn't that it was passing more slowly or quickly than normal, but I found it difficult to tell how far in the past events lay. Our first spliff before we came up felt like last week, and I had no idea whether we had walked along this path hours or minutes ago.

The visuals were certainly intense and beautiful, and I found myself very interested in the spatial relationships between the levels of the ground (in fact, the ground was so discretely positioned in terms of height that I viewed the park as a giant platform game) but as with my last time on 2C-T-2, the mental was remarkably clear. But after about three hours, this was to change.

Still walking around the park, we took out our second (and larger) spliff, which we smoked, and then walked up to the bandstand with a view over the whole of the bay, and sat down.

One minute I was sitting there feeling progressively stranger, and then bang!

"Nothing."

It was as if my brain had been restarted. I understood nothing, there was nothing.
After a time, my brain began to load its software up again.

"World"

This was the first concept that returned to me. I was aware of the world, and that was all I experienced.
Now concepts began returning more quickly, new ways of deciding what the world meant returned at an exponential rate. Soon I was aware of:

"World", "Big"

I was aware of the world, or perhaps the whole universe, and I was aware that it was big.

"World", "Big", "Person"...

"Person-Object"

Now I was aware of an entity called a person, and that all persons had an object associated with them; a body.

"Person/World"

The interaction between the person (and its associated person-object) now made some sense to me. I was aware that a person-object is separate from the world, and there is a complex interaction between the two.

"I"

Now I was aware of "I". Up until now the concepts had all made fundemental sense. Each new concept could be described using the previously loaded concepts, but this one was strange. "I" made no sense because it was not part of the world, and was not an object. If I had been able to be confused, I would have been confused now.

I knew that there needed to be more information, more concepts, before this "I" entity would make any sense. I finally spoke, saying "Who the hell am I?" Chris carried on looking straight ahead, and asked "What do you mean?"

By this point, the basic concepts (which I will call the level one concepts) had been mostly loaded, allowing the more complex ones (the level two concepts) to load more quickly.

Now I could access my memory, in a rudimentary form. I was aware that the memories existed, and I could "read" them, but they could not run on the hardware of the brain yet.

So I was aware of all my personal details again, but I still didn't know what those details meant. So I replied to Chris; "Ah... It's coming back to me" (interestingly my ability to speak and regulate my body in every other way remained unaffected. Only my actual consciousness had been shut down and restarted.)
I was now aware of the concept of fear, but like many of the other level two concepts, it was not yet running. So I knew I was undergoing a frightning experience, but I felt no fear.

As the level two concepts returned to me, the data stream that my senses were feeding to my brain was interpreted using these concepts as they were added, and my conscious became more and more complex. Soon I was able to examine the experience that had just happened to me, over the course of a few seconds.

It required a fair amount of effort to keep my consciousness running at its normal level. I feel that if I had let go I could have returned to a very strange state of awareness, and I would not have been averse to this, had it not been for the fact that my body could have done anything. At the time I was sitting on a bandstand in a public park, so I didn't want to completely nod out for obvious reasons. I decided that we'd better walk around, which definitely occupied my mind and kept me from slipping back to strangeness.

We walked around the park for perhaps twenty minutes, and decided to go back to Chris's house before his family started returning so we could sit in his room and avoid having to talk to people. Before I had smoked the cannabis I think I could have appeared fairly normal, but this state of consciousness was so profoundly altered that I would not be able to guarantee I wouldn't talk utter crap.
A sort of duality had now appeared; there was a part of me that could walk around, and could hold a normal conversation, and there was the part of me that was incredibly tripped out. The first part was almost like an autopilot; it could control my body in a way that would appear to be normal to anyone else, but the fact that the other part of me was totally zonked meant that there could be no real-time error checking. If the autopilot screwed up and I began talking about the lord of all cabbages, it would be a few seconds before I noticed that I was talking nonsense. The risk of this was too great to be talking to normals.

We watched a cartoon, and by the time this had finished I found myself thinking much more clearly, and soon after this, I took the train home and got a fitful night's rest.


I gained a fascinating insight into the way my brain works through this experience. I believe that the brain is a computer which fits its sensory inputs into certain concepts (software) which it can understand.

The basic level one concepts are intrinsic to the brain, and are like the "firmware" of a computer system; the BIOS, the information built into the hard disks which tells the CPU how to access the data, that sort of thing.

Then there are the level two concepts. These are stored in the brain, like the operating system is stored on the hard drive of a computer. These concepts allow us to make sense of the world, and to compare and contrast data, and to store and retrieve the memories and other data that make us who we are.
 
I've tried 2C-I, but I didn't enjoy that one too much. It felt somehow "lacking", until I combined it with some weed.
Not tried any of the others, but I definitely want to try some 2C-B if I can get it. Also 2C-E.
 
Good stuff man!
I've came to a fair few "resets" in my 2C-* adventures.. Very pure mindstate isnt it. the most basic of basic.
 
Nice report. I wish I could get good effects from 2C-T-2. At 16mg, 2C-T-2 gave me a fragile plus-two, but SIGNIFICANT body problems. Severe vomiting, "toxic feeling", but little psychedelic effects. At 20mg, I get a full plus-three but the effects are not very useful to me, and not worth the sickness. I had to write off 2C-T-2. Too bad, as it is fairly potent and lasts about the right time for me, perhaps six to eigh hours.
 
^^ i have found that 2ct2 produces far less unpleasant body load if you are mildy stoned before and durring the come up. Obviously you don't want to be too stoned, and if you don't smoke regularly then this might not be such a good option.

The first time i took 2ct2 i felt distinctly uncomfortable for the first hour of the experience. I was unable to feel physically comfortable regardless of the position i was in and also my stomach felt unsettled and painful.

The second time i got myself nicely stoned before i took the 2ct2. The initial effects were only slightly unpleasant. Well within acceptable limits. I allowed the weed to wear off durring the onset stange until the 2ct2 reached plateu and i was no longer stoned.

All the 2cx's that i have tried seem to manifest a certain synergy with weed for me. More so than any other hallucinogen.
 
My Penis is Flacid

I'm a pothead. I always smoke when I trip. In fact, I wont trip without cannabis. Usually take a hit as I eat it, one as I begin to peak, and a few during the comedown. 2C-T-2 still makes me feel like shit. Believe me, I wish I liked it. I got enough of the stuff. But we just don't work well together. Now 2C-T-7...that one I love.
 
That is unfortunate to hear morninggloryseed.

It definately seems that different people react to these substances in different ways. I experienced almost no nausea at all when i tried 2ce, whereas 2ci was pretty bad for me.

The 2cx's seem twitchier than LSD. I cannot see them entering mainstream (as far as hallucinogen use is ever mainstream) in the way that LSD has.
 
2C-B has been pretty popular, of course it hasn't reached LSD status but it is up there as far as psychedelics go. I could actual see the phenethylamines being more popular than LSD as they aren't completely immersive and as intense as mushrooms or LSD can be.
 
I don't know if anyone here has read any robert anton wilson but he makes very interesting readeing regarding the brain as a computer type thing maybe something for you to read john

iopener
 
kinetic said:
2C-B has been pretty popular, of course it hasn't reached LSD status but it is up there as far as psychedelics go. I could actual see the phenethylamines being more popular than LSD as they aren't completely immersive and as intense as mushrooms or LSD can be.

2C-B is easy to make. But I think it's heavily overrated. I enjoy the stuff, but it's really kinda a toy. Now 2C-E...that one rivals LSD and other indoles in depth and intensity in every way.
 
psychonaut65 said:
I don't know if anyone here has read any robert anton wilson but he makes very interesting readeing regarding the brain as a computer type thing maybe something for you to read john

iopener
Thanks, I'll have a look for some of these books. I generally watch ol' Doctor joke shop face whenever he's on TV.

Splatt said:
Good stuff man!
I've came to a fair few "resets" in my 2C-* adventures.. Very pure mindstate isnt it. the most basic of basic.

Cool to know others have experienced this same situation. You're definitely right when you say it's a very pure mindstate.
 
Even though I myself don't take 2c-t-2 (well been a long time), taking a Strattera capsule I had laying around (NARI, probably reboxetine would work too), a while before taking the 2ct2, and although i wasn't SUPER suprised, it really killed the body load, like, totally. My friend was in the other room, on a lower dose, having the 2ct2 'shakes' on the come up, and i was having a blast, ready to re-dose, absolutely no jitters or nausea. I did this twice with it, I should try taking it before something else, preferably something else on the 'jittery' side. Probably the only use for those things (reboxetine worked better for other things, while strattera, well, theres a reason i have some laying around, was just a doctor sample packs anyway).
 
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