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2C-P - New Experience - Lost in Translation

naginnudej

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It was a busy week—papers and studying filled every waking moment. Despite my unfavorable situation, I managed to plough through the sea of work. A relaxing Saturday was in order; I was in the mood for some self-reflection and much deserved free time. I devised the following plans to satiate my needs: get an early start to the day, dose 2C-P, visit a museum, stop by the opening of a long-awaited art exhibition, and see where the rest of the night takes me.

A trusted source gifted me an 11mg sample of 2C-P. Crafty scale work pinpointed actual weight to be 8mg ±1. Contents dissolved in water and stored in oral syringe. I refrained from going out Friday night in anticipation of Saturday’s adventure—I needed to be my best. Alarm sounds at 9:30AM. I’m out of bed and ready for the day at 10:30AM. 10:35AM the fun begins.

+0:00 6mg ±1 dosed rectally via oral syringe. I was tiding up my room when the butterflies roused in my stomach.

+0:05 My upper back was tight—stretching and breathing techniques followed as the familiar hints of a phenethylamine come-up crawled through my body.

+0:25 The subtle hints morphed into a wave of drowsiness. I laid down and closed my eyes—I debated over the blanket, but finally decided to cover myself from head to toe. My dark cocoon was littered with bright, indistinct CEVs in every direction.

+0:45 As I roused myself, the effects continued to intensify. My body was cold and I needed my glasses to see. The nervous-excitement began to build. 2C-P was certainly no walk in the park; tight muscles and waves of short-lived stomach discomfort proved to be cumbersome. Although not alarmingly uncomfortable, I reminded myself to remain calm and centered.

+1:15 After a number of futile attempts at browsing the web, the lights in my head finally began to flicker. I opened up a blank document as my thoughts drifted to the many fabricated stereotypes and biased rejection of psychedelics. Because I am required to conceal my psychedelic activities from a large portion of the people I encounter, I often find myself second guessing myself. I wrote this short bit:

Why can’t this be normal? Why do we have the incessant need to ‘be normal’?
What is ‘normal’? How do I identify with normal? Clearly I don’t.
But what about the people that do? That’s not normal.”

+2:15 My roommate brings by a friend to smoke—I refrain from indulging while we chat and play some good music.

+2:30 L, my close friend and partner in crime, stopped by while doing his laundry. We listened to some more music, joked, and discussed our respective days. L reads what I’ve written and relates a story about a group of his friends from home who inhibit themselves and their relationships by striving for ‘normalcy.’

A self-inflicted disease of character best describes my feelings towards the matter. An unhealthy desire to be normal debilitates the individual and the collective in countless ways. How did this come to be? In part, it is most certainly a result of the pressure placed on the individual to follow a predetermined life-path. I was finally able to establish a smooth flow of communicative output.

+2:45 L leaves to grab his laundry. I drifted in and out conversation with roommate and co. while my thoughts shifted from normalcy to validation:

How do I validate my existence? Why do I even need to validate my existence? What ground does that stand on? Whose values uphold a particular validation?
What about the individuals whose validation stems from the invalidation of another human being?
What if our lives (and all that resides on Earth) have an intrinsic value that cannot be stripped? In this scenario, the only validation necessary is proof of existence.

+3:15 L returns and smokes a bowl; once again, I refrain. L planned on DJ’ing a small party that night and was a bit nervous that the crowd wouldn’t be appreciative of his music selection. We discussed this for a short while before turning to validation.

L looks at what I’ve written and finds issue with the semantics of the word itself. After a short back and forth, L and I found ourselves looking in the mirror: in our attempts to invalidate validation, were we falling into the same trap as those who find importance in this validation?

+3:50 L and I parted ways. I double checked the address of my destination and prepared to leave—I was ready to face the world.

+4:00 I exited the building and meandered my way towards the subway. The weather was beautiful, people were smiling, and each song that came on spoke directly to my internal dialogue. I couldn’t help but think that random isn’t so random. The subway proved uneventful.

+4:30 Walking up the subway steps was particularly awkward—my muscles felt like they were turning into themselves. The shift from the subway to the concrete streets was wild. I soaked in the sun and listened to my music as I walked down the street. Buildings were outrageously magnificent. I marveled at mankind's ability to design and build these beautiful monsters.

+4:45 I soon realized the magnitude of this experience. ‘Holy shit, 12 hours?’ Why was I so attracted to such long-lasting psychedelics? While making headway towards my destination, I analyzed the question. Then it hit me: I’m not comfortable in my own skin. This wasn’t new news per-se, but it was something I’ve ever really admitted to myself. It’s about time.

As such, I often seek out long-lasting psychedelic experiences that offer me a chance to settle my mind before I fully immerse myself in a new adventure.

+5:00 After accepting this fact, my mood immediately lifted. An electric grin crossed my face and I turned to wave at a troop of little girls passing by. The walk signal changed and invited me to cross the street. I watched a lady pull in front of me and pick up her pace. Then something weird happened.

As I reveled in my new ‘discovery,’ I momentarily got lost in thought. When I came to, my field of vision was almost completely blurred. A tunnel appeared and time began to move faster; I watched the woman in front of me move at a strikingly fast pace. “BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP” filled my head as my hovering chest was ‘pulled’ ahead. Whoa.

When I returned to reality, I felt lighter. My grin got bigger and my eyes wider—what a day this was going to be.

+5:30 I arrived at the museum. Before I discuss the specifics, I must first make clear my views on the museum experience. Put simply, I am not a fan—when visiting museums, I often struggle with the delivery of the information to the viewer. As an outsider looking in, I am constantly reminded of Michael Foucault’s concept of ‘the other.’ Cultures of ‘primitive’ and distant peoples are often portrayed as alien to our very species. Instead of presenting exhibits in an enriching, engaging way, museum curators often force viewers into a mode of thought that inhibits a complete, satisfactory understanding of the material at hand. As I entered the bottom floor, I was reminded of just that.

Their education, living experience, and dwellings were presented in such a manner that I was struck by a sense of ‘not good enough.’ My friend C met up to enjoy the museum with me. The next topic of conversation was semantics. While describing the landscape of one of the photos, I was reminded of how much I dislike the English language. One of my favorite French feminist philosophers, Luce Irigaray once wrote a piece titled The Sex Which is Not One; the subject of this work speaks to how the current state of phallogocentric language inhibits a genuine representation of women. How does this effect the translation of one culture’s traditions into something we can understand? How much is lost in translation?

+6:30 C and I continued on. We made our way back to the main floor and meditated on the intricate beauty of the Tibetan snow lions. How long did it take the artist to complete such amazing sculptures? How many people walked by and failed to appreciate the time and effort put into these creations? My mind began to wonder: if someone spent x hours working on a piece of artwork, what is the appropriate amount of time needed to fully appreciate such a feat? While I couldn’t satiate myself with an answer, I remained in awe of the powerful statues that quietly rested in front of me. Making our way upstairs, the mood began to shift. The walls were a softer color and the art on the walls portrayed a much different conception of the Tibetan religious culture than the other floors.

We were examining a small statue of the Buddha when a docent approached us. While further explaining the piece at hand, the docent began addressing many of the issues I have with museums and ‘the other.’ I was delighted! The work was presented in a manner that did justice to its original intent—the art, or religious tools were not pretty things hung up on the wall. Each and every gesture, symbol, etc… had a significance that was specific to the student-teacher relationship. C had to leave and I remained alone with the docent.

+7:30 I was most intrigued by a story told by the docent that related how the first catholic missionaries reacted when experiencing the art with ‘fire’ around large beings. ‘Devil worshipers!’ This couldn’t have been further from the truth. After explaining the presentation and symbolism of the fire as emotions which people sought refuge from, my museum experience took a turn for the best. Unfortunately, after spending 2 hours in the museum, it was closing time.

Throughout my time at the museum the 2C-P afforded me an extremely pleasurable viewing experience. Sculptures took on new life and paintings jumped out of their frames.

+7:45 On on to the next. Back to the crowded subway.

+8:15 On my way to the gallery I am approached by a girl asking for directions to my destination. We talk for a few minutes before we arrive at the exhibition opening. Hordes of people are lined up around the block. I get as close as I can and peek inside. No way I’m getting in today.

+8:30-10:30 I walk around China Town and get ‘lost’ in the mix of people before I finally hop back on the subway and head home.

I grabbed some groceries, smoked a bowl and relaxed. Sleep came without a struggle at +12:00.

<3
 
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Nice report dude. :) I've just ingested the same dose in the same way as you... perhaps I'll have a report as well.
 
Seems like you were able to interact with the outside world while experiencing your own world at the same time and integrating both worlds to manifest relevant and personal thoughts, which will remain long after the trip is finished. Seems like an incredibly meaningful and fun experience.

Thank you for taking the time to write that. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and am going to give some thought many of the questions that you brought up.

I love the title! Makes sense.
 
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Very interesting stuff! 2C-P has facinated me since the mid 90s when I first became aware of it. it was such a joyful day in 2004 when I picked up a supply, but I still have yet to try it.

Hey folks.....let's say I take a moderate dosage (4mg, maybe 6mg) in the morning...is it a good 12hr or am I gonna be awake all night?
 
Hey MGS old fart, still have to answer your PM...

My first dose with 2C-P was 4.2mg. I couldn't wait when I finally had it in my hand (hey it was 13 years ago and it was an extreme exotic then and my curiousity unstoppable...) so I took it right in the lab and it proved to be a museum level dose. Didn't feel anything at 1h besides an alert, clear onset at 1.5-2h, felt like a cool breeze on me it (it tuned in very well to the cold winterday then). At the peak I went to the cantine with a friend, had a healthy hunger but what was most impressable is that tall beautiful girl I noticed on occasions before growed to such an erotic presence I almost exploded!

Back to the lab, could work without troubles, was quite relaxed and somewhat introverted but still sociable. Drop at 8h, at 11h close to baseline (an extreme slow wear out). At 13h I went to bed and my sleep was BETTER than usual which emerged as a distinct property of 2C-P later on once you reached baseline. And, also a special property of this is the high degree of relaxation (despite some physical drain at higher doses) which is felt the day after and even for days afterwards when taking more.

Very unusual and cool stuff.
 
2C-P sounds like a good one, thanks for sharing.

when visiting museums, I often struggle with the delivery of the information to the viewer. As an outsider looking in, I am constantly reminded of Michael Foucault’s concept of ‘the other.’ Cultures of ‘primitive’ and distant peoples are often portrayed as alien to our very species. Instead of presenting exhibits in an enriching, engaging way, museum curators often force viewers into a mode of thought that inhibits a complete, satisfactory understanding of the material at hand.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here (damn you, woefully inadequate English language!), care to elaborate? Do you mean the way museums display things in a sterile, clinical way (i.e. paintings hung on white walls at regular intervals, sculptures on podiums behind glass, the quiet library-esque atmosphere and prerecorded guided tours)?

Perhaps going to an interactive art exhibit would be more to your liking? I always found them to be more engaging than the typical, somewhat stuffy, experience of "no touching" museums. But, since electronic multimedia is the usual medium for such exhibits, they tend to lack historical content. :\
 
Very nice report, thanks for sharing :)

I can relate to a lot of what you write, being that i'm very much interested in linguistic and cultural studies and also spent an afternoon on a 2c-x (i, 10mg) compound in a museum 2 or 3 weeks ago :D

you mention you dislike the english language, is it your mother tounge?

i personally really like the english language (mostly because it enables me to communicate with basically the whole world, like in this instant), but it's only a 2nd language for me and if it were my first i would feel even more trapped in the language than i already do. I found that each language offers a different perspective to the world (i speak english, spanish and german fluently and know a bit of french and latin as well)

atm i'm trying to understand more of the more abstract forms of language better, like painting/visual expression, sign language (met some deaph people which really got me convinced i have to learn this code to help integrate deaph people into society) and above all music... music has been called "the most noice conveying the least information" but for me it is a very pure form of communication. Also maths is an incredibly apealing language for the exact way of formulating logic thoughts. F.e. a nice visualisation of infinity related to maths i was told a while ago:

Pi is an infinite number, so it includes every possible combination of numbers. Now think about digital photography, every image you take is a code of numbers (0,1). As pi includes every possible combination of numbers, every picture you have taken, or will take is already existant in the number pi. :D

good vibes
 
At 13h I went to bed and my sleep was BETTER than usual which emerged as a distinct property of 2C-P later on once you reached baseline.

Very unusual and cool stuff.

Yes! I have noticed this too. Especially with nootropic ~1 mg doses... I always feel super refreshed when I wake up the next morning! :)
 
2C-P sounds like a good one, thanks for sharing.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here (damn you, woefully inadequate English language!), care to elaborate? Do you mean the way museums display things in a sterile, clinical way (i.e. paintings hung on white walls at regular intervals, sculptures on podiums behind glass, the quiet library-esque atmosphere and prerecorded guided tours)?
I was speaking to concepts set forh by Edward Said's in Orientalism (applied to the museum's focus) in conjunction with Foucault's 'other' in the History of Sexuality.

I really just don't feel at all connected to the culture I was attempting to experience. A foreign peoples with no connection--I don't think it should be like that.

Does that help?
Very nice report, thanks for sharing :)

I can relate to a lot of what you write, being that i'm very much interested in linguistic and cultural studies and also spent an afternoon on a 2c-x (i, 10mg) compound in a museum 2 or 3 weeks ago :D

you mention you dislike the english language, is it your mother tounge?


i personally really like the english language (mostly because it enables me to communicate with basically the whole world, like in this instant), but it's only a 2nd language for me and if it were my first i would feel even more trapped in the language than i already do. I found that each language offers a different perspective to the world (i speak english, spanish and german fluently and know a bit of french and latin as well)

Yes, it is my native tongue :)

I like your analogy about the perspective that each language promotes. Care to share your favorite?

Pi is an infinite number, so it includes every possible combination of numbers. Now think about digital photography, every image you take is a code of numbers (0,1). As pi includes every possible combination of numbers, every picture you have taken, or will take is already existant in the number pi. :D

good vibes
Cool! Thanks.
 
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