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2c-p - first time - 8mg - Hmmm...

gloggawogga

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I wrote this up rather quick, a few days after the fact. Perhaps I'll edit this and say more later.

12:00 noon 8mg 2c-p down in a gel cap. I've got some things to do around the house, like clean kitchen and the hardwood floors. This takes about an hour. During the last 20 minutes or so I'm definetly feeling and altert.

Around 1:00 PM I decide to play some music and lie down a bit. I feel a little bit restless, probably just because its mid-afternoon. Around 1:30 or so I decide it would be a good idea to walk around. As usuall, my dogs are in need of attention and want to go out. So I decide to walk them, one at a time. I'm also feeling some pretty strong nausea at this time, but I was fixing to take a toke of cannabis anyways so I did.

While out walking there were some visual effects building, nothing really outstounding except for one incident. Basically I was walking on the sidewalk I thought I thought I saw a snake in someones yard about 10 feet away. It didn't look too large so I thought hmmm...and took another step closer towards it. Then I realized it was just a funny looking weed with a flower and a tree root sticking out of the ground behind it. I guess some could call that a true hallucination, but really it was just a case of mistaken identity on the part of my brains pattern recognition system and was correct just a second later. That sort of thing can happen to me even when sober, but seems much more likely to happen while on a psychedelic. Plus, I think the fact the a few days before this trip I actually did see a real snake while walking on another side walk may have contributed to the error in my brains pattern recognition system. Overall I enjoyed the scenery.

Around 2:30 I was done with all that, the nausea was gone and I was very hungry. A good sign. I had been fasting since 9:00pm the night before so I figured it would be a good idea to eat something. Just as a safety check though, I thought I'd check my blood pressure just to make sure is was ok with this substance. Well the first time I attempted my electronic blood pressure monitor reported an error. Perhaps I was moving too much, but I didn't notice my self moving, Another attempt...another error. Finally the third time I got a reading, 155/80, pulse rate 88. I wasn't too concerned, as I seemed to be a little agitited over it not working the first few times. My arm was sore from the cuff being pumped three time so I layed down for a few minutes and then did a reading in my other arm, 130/80, pulse rate 75. Cool. My body felt very good, except that I was very hungry.

I didn't get around to eating till around 3:45. Had half a sandwich and a large apple and that quenched my hunger. I spent the next two hours or so basically just hanging out. You know, just sitting around thinking about things. I'd say from about 2:30 to 6:30 the trip alternated back and forth from a ++ to a +++ several times. The +++ periouds where somewhat deep and interesting. I could see how if I were to do a larger dose, say enough to hold me down in a +++ continuously for several hours, this material might have really kicked my ass. But at the dose I did, the material seem to be letting me come up for air.

At around 6:30 i was definitely coming down and I elected to go out for a bike ride. I was still at a good ++. There was a beuatiful red sky that evening which gave me the feel of being in another world. I could ride pretty hard and had no trouble exerting my self, i.e. my body felt great. Upon getting home at around 7:30 I had a chat with a neighbor. Converstation flowed and there was no indication I was high on anything, though I was only probably at a + and a half at that point. From about 8 to 12 that evening I continued to come down, spending some time on internet forums, reading some stuff on the net, and chatting with my wife who had come home from work. She made me a nice big dinner around 10:00 pm and around 2:00 pm I fell asleep. I woke up at 6:00 for work the next day, and felt a little tired but thats about it.

Overall I'm going to withhold judgement on this material untill I get a chance to try it at a higher dose. The first times that I tried 2c-e and 2c-d I wasn't totally impressed either, but in higher doses they both shine. OTOH The first time I tried a low dose of 2c-i I was impressed, only to see the novelty of that substance wear out rather quickly. Hence I've learned not to trust my first impressions of research chems. There were some very insightful moments, and a few good laughs. Yet there is something strange and unique about this material. It looks promising, but I can't speak of the substances full potential until I experience it. I don't know when I'll have a chance to do that, but when the time comes I will.
 
Thank you! I still think this will prove to be a fantastic, though possibly difficult, psychedelic. Won't appeal to the "I'm just looking for a fun time" crowd. But it will to others.
 
Thanks for the report! Let us know how the higher trials go.

The first times that I tried 2c-e and 2c-d I wasn't totally impressed either, but in higher doses they both shine. OTOH The first time I tried a low dose of 2c-i I was impressed, only to see the novelty of that substance wear out rather quickly. Hence I've learned not to trust my first impressions of research chems.
Exactly my experience as well. I could have written that exact passage myself (minus the 2c-d).
 
Excellent! Thanks for the report. I am definitely looking forward to exploring this one soon... I think it definitely could have a lot to offer...
 
*Applause* Post higher trials ASAP (please).

Just wondering, but how exactly did this affect you? I understand what the + levels mean, but I'm not sure what it did visually and mentally for you.

Unless 2C-P, along with the other mind altering substances are all rather similiar except for their physical effects on the body.
 
im expecting to try this out myself next friday night, and ive been looking for a strong, kick-my-ass expierience that i havnt gotten from 2c-i nor 5meoamt. i hope this RC will deliver.

what do you all think about a 9 mg. dose?

and how does it compare to 2c-b as i will be trying that tomorrow or the next day for the first time.
 
I understand what the + levels mean, but I'm not sure what it did visually and mentally for you.

Thats a good question but I don't know how I can answer it other than what I wrote above. I just don't know how put the subtleties of visual and mental effects into words, hence my frustration with writing trip reports. In fact, often when I write about my experiences, and then read about it later, it just doesn't describe it. But this trip in particular at 8mg it wasn't a very strong experience (for me). I was just trying to get enough to get a taste of this material and see if its OK w/ my body.

I did do a higher dose of this material, 11mg. I found it to be somewhat like 2c-e and to a lesser extent 2c-d, but perhaps not quite as rich as either. Niether of these substance hits me with the crack your head open type of mindfuck that I get mushrooms or LSD. Instead I'd say they have more of a seductive mindfuck. Its like one minute I feel like I'm on a roll and my heart opens up. Then the next minute, with my heart opened up and my defenses down, the psychedelic effects hit me and I realize I'm tripping hard. Then the next minute it feels like a roll again, only to bait me to open up my heart more so that it can hit me with more of its psychedelic effects. I wouldn't say its anything like a candyflip though. Its totally different. Perhaps these are good substance for dealing with trust and fear issues, because they seem to open me up one minute, and then hit me with my fears the next.

Unless 2C-P, along with the other mind altering substances are all rather similiar except for their physical effects on the body.

Well there are significant differences, imho, but the mental effects of psychedelics are not only so impossible to describe, they also vary considerbly from person to person and experience to experience depending on the set and setting. In fact, the second time I took LSD, it seemed like a totally different drug from the first. But after a few more experiences, I realized it was just both my self and the setting that I was in that was changing the experience.

I might reapeat 2c-p again some time at 13mg. But if I get the chance at all to do it this summer it will have to be a night trip, as the climate here is too hot in the summer to trip comfortably in the day time. That alone will significantly change the experience, as the first two trips were day trips.
 
High dose 2c-p reports

Listen up everybody -
2c-p in high doses is quite dangerous to the psyche.
I have not personally tried it, having been in rehab for the duration of the time that my friends have had their gram, but nearly everybody that tried it (out of about 30 - 35 people) had a bad trip, because their dose was too high. The looks on their faces when they describe the evil of the trip is all too convincing.
Even the most hardcore of trippers (he took nearly 100 mg of 2c-p and loved it, and we've both gone well into the 200mg range with 2c-i) felt as though he was dying (a common reaction) at 60mg 2c-p.
This is not to say that 10 or 12 mg wouldn't be fun, but do yourself a favor and don't go over 20 or 30 mg with this stuff.
I've got 20mg in my pocket and I'm planning on splitting ti in half before i take it, even though my best trippin buddies have taken 50mg + at a time and had a good experience.
Nearly everyone that's taken it, however, has had the roughest, most intense trip of their lives, and and a good portion of them will no longer take any of the 2c-x drugs.
Another complication of the drug is that at a dose of 20 mg, you'll be tripping for 18 to hours, and if the trip goes wrong, that's 18 to 20 hours of evil badness.
When I finally do get a chance to reserve an entire day for this trip (by day I mean one afternoon through the following night) I'll write a full trip report, but until then, YOU GUYS WATCH OUT!! This stuff will make you throw up over and over and over if you take too much, then you'll hear voices in your head TELLING YOU TO KILL YOURSELF. This is taken from the experiences of 4 or 5 people that each took 15 - 20 mg 2c-p. They also said that if they had been alone, they would have listened to the voices.

Personally, I can't wait to try the stuff, but that's because I know the kind of trip I like, and at low doses, this seems to be it. BUT, I wouldn't go even into the 15 mg range until I try it at least 4 or 5 times.


That's my 2 cents.
Good luck, happy trippin.
 
Yes, some people are stupid. That's why I'm letting them know if they're planning on taking a lot of this drug they should reconsider.

If by "stupid" you're referring to my friends that took an overdose every time they tried it, yes, that is pretty dumb. I believe it was because they were so used to taking that much 2c-i off the bat to have a nice trip. I also believe that if I hadn't been in another state during this time, the dosage would have been more accurate, and most of that would have never happened.
The fact remains, however, that it did happen. I felt it necessary to state the dangers I've encountered with this drug.
From what I've heard, the bad trip stems from the harsh body load, which at extreme doses can only be amplified.
I regret seeing my people become lab rats, and I'd rather it not happen to any other group out there. This drug is somewhat unsafe. If you want that swept under the carpet, then ignore this thread, but I'm just trying to help.
 
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Yeah but the numbers like 60mg and 100mg you are giving us are next to meaningless, since your friends are so desparate for a cheap buzz they trip on psychedelics on a near daily basis to the point of ridiculous tolerance. As for the bad trips and danger to the psyche, any psychedelic, including the toxicly benign ones like LSD can do that. And for the body load, if you do so much 2c-p and 2c-i repeatedly that you need 100mg of 2c-p to catch a buzz I'm not surprised at all your body feels like total shit and you get sick. Duh...maybe your body is trying to tell you something...
 
shit man, you and your friends are the stupid people I was referring to, sorry if that wasn't clear enough for you. and i'm sorry that i'm turning this into a flame, but this kind of behavior isn't only reckless, but it's damn idiotic. do you all have a death wish? who in their right mind would recommend such high doses of an unresearched drug to 30-35 people? ok, so it's toxic at higher doses, but we knew that from PiHKAL already where it stated that 16mg was an overdose. your research is neither respected nor warranted. i'll be surprised if you don't die in the near future, if you're this stupid when it comes to little-known drugs then i don't doubt that you will someday soon find yourself wishing for a little more common sense.
 
Yes I understood who you meant by stupid people. Like I said, I was out of state when the whole 2c-p issue went down.
And to redeem myself, 20mg 2c-i makes me trip. But, 150mg 2c-i makes me trip really hard for 16 hours. I still have yet to try 2c-p.
I thought I had made it clear that I was in agreement that what was done was quite an idiotic thing. But the fact remains that even people that took not-so-high doses (15 - 20 mg) of 2c-p thought it was the worst experience of their lives.
 
not-so-high doses are 15-20mg? again, we already knew that those were too high of doses due to shulgin's great book.
 
I thought I read somewhere recently that Shulgin clarified later that the "16mg was clearly an overdose" comment was a little out of context, and was a result mostly of set and setting.

I'm not saying 16mg is safe, but PIHKAL is only a guide, not a bible.

Anyway, I think we all agree the dosages discussed above are abnormal and beyond risky and are not to be advocated by anyone, to anyone. That said, I see no further point in flaming back and forth about it.
 
^^^

From that report "I have been toying with it for about a two months. Total estimated trips would be somewhere above 20."

So this guy did it on average every three days for two months. That in itself is a lot.
 
well im going to try 12.5 mgs. later tonight with a good friend. and imglad to know now that some people have already tested out the higher end of the dosage spectrum. and why the HELL would u take that much of it? also, i expierienced no nausea on all of my little "trial run" trips, which never ammounted to more than a +.5

expect a detailed report by sometime tomorrow
 
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