2C-E - fourth time - where did the potency go?

[soul]

2C-E *fourth time* where did the potency go?

after a 12,14,16 and now 18, mg trip (2 weeks apart) on 2C-E, i'm wondering...Is 2C-E really stronger than 2C-I??

so far in my observations, i believe it isn't. maybe it'sa bad batch who knows, but for now i believe 2C-E is not more potent than 2C-I and that it could be weaker at the same dosage level.

i found 2C-E to be a disappointment in comparison with 2C-I thus far, although there is less of a body load,( a 2C-E trademark,) i also found that the overall trip did not surpass a 2C-I trip (same dosage) in visual content or depth in comparison to most of the reports here on bluelight or on erowid. i know that vendors can
not be mentioned on this board but this also inhibits the study and the viability of the source from where is came from. ex, a vendor can sell you anything yet it can't be contested because most frorums do not allow vendor naming.

also i'm pretty sure that most people who do partake in the research of reseach chemicals do not have access to a GCMS data machine to test for purity of a compound which makes a trip report on the web even less valid..

what does this all mean? you might ask, well fo me it means that there is no definitive website that can educate you and tell you how you can react to a certain compound scientifically unless that site itself has the lab credentials to back up it's claim.

if you think you can go to the bluelight, shroomery, erowid and the lycaeum for a definitive refference on the RC subject, then i hope you like playing russian roulette with your trip life because that is exactly what is happening to you when you look to these sites for information on RC chems, where the source (since it can't be mentioned) is not contested or fully tested by the masses who produce 95 percent of the trip reports without the lab equiptment or the crendentials to back up thier claim.

the moral is, beware of what you ingest. because it can quite possibly be something else that you researched on or bargained for in the end. who knows, you could be ingesting 2C-E thinking it's 2C-I since it says 2C-I on the label vice versa, or maybe that 2C-I in your vial could be a mixture or 2C-I and 2C-P who knows.....as long as vendors are protected with anomity, i believe you can never be too sure of what you ingest and your trip reports remain unvalidated unless a certain scientific criteria is met.

 

[kinetic]

you got all that just because you need to take more 2C-E than others? I know that some of the 2C-E (the fluffy stuff) is apparently less potent than the rest, but it could also be your body chemistry. I think you're being a little paranoid with this.

 

[soul]

you got all that just because you need to take more 2C-E than others? I know that some of the 2C-E (the fluffy stuff) is apparently less potent than the rest, but it could also be your body chemistry. I think you're being a little paranoid with this.

paranoia or not, whaterver you say or what i claim is still not sufficient enough unless a "standard" has been put forth. this means the scrutiny of the vendors who provide the product where quality assurance is judged by the people who purchase such a product. this can not be acomplished if
the vendors of research chemicals are to remain anonymous.

a good example of this would be the vendors at the shroomery where you can easily spot out the shams from the legit vendors,and this can only be accomplished is the source (vendor) can be pointed out.

if any trip report should be validated then, a standard on the products
quality should be imposed. sure there is a chance that ones body chemistry
could be a factor but what about the quality of the product itself? does this not count? if a person writes a trip report about his first experience smoking shwag and makes a comparison with another person that smokes kind bud, does body chemistry makes up for the final result?

i hope a standard can be set where we could weed out the bunk vendors out there thus forcing a purer better product for all those wishing to participate on the research of these mind exapanding compounds. flame me if you wan't but all i can do is hope for the consitency and the accuracy of data from the reference of others through their trip reports from standardize means.

 

[kinetic]

that would just lead to every single research chemical being made illegal. this is already a grey area of the law, and if companies are known to be selling the compounds to people that ingest it then havoc would ensue. I don't think you're thinking about this too thoroughly. it's true that research chemicals are a risk (I believe that's why they're referred to as research chemicals), and it's a personal decision that everyone must make for themselves. it would be great if there was quality control for them, but the same can be said for all the illegal drugs out there.

 

[soul]

that would just lead to every single research chemical being made illegal.

if this was the case then pcilocybin spores would be illegal
today yet it is still being sold but the diffrence is that
there is a quality control that is openly judged by the
people who put these vendors on the map with real
personal experiences good or bad.

personally i would rather have these researh chems made illegal if such a basic quality standards can not be met for the psychedelic researcher. it's just wrong to release a faulty product to who we all know might consume it (God forbid, but lets get real) for research purposes.

kinetic it seem that your argument is that eveything is better off if the status of research chemicals remain legal but would you compromise quality for that? would you rather have bunk for the sake of legality?

i think not.

 

[VictorBorge]

You can't really prove it either way ,though. We may suspect that some batches of RC's are less potent, cut, or badly synthed, but personally I have no definitive evidence that this is so with any of the known suppliers.

By deciding to research these chems we all make a tacit commitment to titrating our own dose ,vetting our own suppliers, and not publicly sharing incriminating information. That's just the deal, IMO.

This thread is really not a trip report, and I think it belongs better in PD.

 

[soul]

By deciding to research these chems we all make a tacit commitment to titrating our own dose ,vetting our own suppliers, and not publicly sharing incriminating information. That's just the deal, IMO.

good point, but wouldn't this be better if quality standards are put forth so that you can separate trip reports that involve body chemistry which differs from someone who reacts to bunk material?

and you are right, this is not a good trip report, now that i read it twice over so mod, feel free to move this thread if need be.

but in trying to salvage what should had been a trip report about 2C-E, i will post the effects here.

18 milligrams of 2C-E was weighed on on a .0002 mg/g scale. I had fasted a few hours(4) prior before ingesting this material and from what i remembered, the come up was slow but the initial first alerts were present in about 20 minutes.

2 hours into the trip i noticed visuals similar to 2C-I. I don't know how may of you have tried phens when it's raining out (light ran, misty) but for me it was spectacular, i could actually see every crystal of water burst in the direction of the wind in a myriad of colors which was unlike any other psychedelic visual i have ever experienced.

The breathing visuals were profound, everything seemed to melt and form
an organic shape of itself, twisting turning while even more colors played as this breathing dance was taking place in my periphery.

although i did not have an uncomfortable body load while on this material, i remembered that i did feel that my limbs were like jello so dancing while tripping on 2C-E was quite a challenge.

Music appreciation was definitely enhanced, as i have also experienced with 2C-I and the only real diffrence was that 2C-E felt lighter on the body in comaprison.

and last, at the end of the trip, there seemed to be a significant increase of the ear popping/psychic jolts phenomena that was definitely more present with 2C-E in comparison with 2C-I or psilocybin and LSD.

overall, while the trip a definitely a +++ it did not surpase 2C-I at the same dosage weight. here lies the problem where the inconsistencies of trip reports where most claim that 2C-E is more powerful than 2C-I

 

[kinetic]

man, just because your experience didn't match up with many other people's doesn't mean anything. Some people have needed up to 30mg before this material truly shined.

 

[VictorBorge]

I encourage you to keep trying. I've had at least one "so what?" experience with 18mg of 2C-E as well. Sometimes it really hits, and sometimes it kind of doesn't. I had to do it three or four times before I really fell in love with it and realized how intense it could be.

 

[nickthecheese]

It's a Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer (GCMS).

There are places on the internet where vendors are discussed in great length actually, although they are not publically avaliable for obvious reasons...

Interesting discussion, could you please edit your thread title to add your experence level?

 

[soul]

It's a Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer (GCMS).

Interesting discussion, could you please edit your thread title to add your experence level?

lol, i always get the acronym wrong, thanks for the correction

i'm not sure what you mean about editing the tittle, please clarify
and i would be glad to make the adjustments if need be.

 

[nickthecheese]

According to the Trip Reports Forum Guidelines, all titles for reports must be set out in the same format, have a look on the list, you'll see they all follow substance - experience level - creative title, so in your case, it would be 2ce - your experience level with 2ce - "where did the potency go"?

 

[soul]

man, just because your experience didn't match up with many other people's doesn't mean anything.

you're mising the whole point, and yes it does mean something because if i can feel this way about this chem then i'm pretty sure that someone else will too. flesh and blood people are people, diffrent but in many ways the same.

Some people have needed up to 30mg before this material truly shined.

to me it's like you're saying "well if you are not feeling this shwag weed then you should smoke more of it, to get higher." (analogy )where's the sense of that? this thread is about quality control if you haven't noticed yet. I'm sure 30 millgrams would send me out of orbit but why would I consider this dose when most trip reports express mindblowing experiences in the 10-16 mg range?

 

[Mean Girl]

I'm guessing this was your first shot at 2ce? Don't think this is a "bad" trip report per se, if it was one line saying "omg i'm fucked up yo, this shit rocks!" then yes, I'd say it was bad, until then, don't worry yourself! Besides, you can always come back and add more detail and thoughts if you want.

(For posterity, I'm not moving it anywhere, because reports like this don't belong anywhere else)