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2C-E + 4-aco-DET + MDMA - experienced - chemical cocktail...

ER0X

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chemical cocktail...2ce+2acodet+mdma

It all started at a hippy fest in upstate Mass.. I was well experience with the "drugs" in question 2c-e, 4-aco-det, and of coarse mdma, as well as just about every other illicit drug. 2ce I found to be very nice on its own and had never tried it with anything as is the same for 4acodet but I didn't find that one to have any value, just another research chem with no "soul"/magic.

So I decided to eat 30mg 4acodet, which seems like alot compared to most reports but I found that 45mg didn't even compare so an 1/8 of really good shrooms in terms of power.
10min later did a balloon of nitrous which got things goin pretty quickly
30min later ate 10mg 2ce which for me is quite small of a dose but figured I'd feel it more with everything else in my system.
45min later I was tripping with very nice visuals but mentally wasn't were I'd like to be. This I find to be the case with most research chems. They're all hollow/shallow. You get visuals, body high, but mentally there's not much of anything going on. They all lack so much depth that real drugs never fail to produce. You don't get the happiness the awe of a good high they're all interesting at best even at heroic levels. So I decided that some mdma might fix this delema and may even prove to creat an amazing experience... be carefull what you wish for. 100mg MDMA down the hatch
40min later things went up a bit visually but that's about it. So another 150mg.
Shortly there after things started getting intense, mentally/physacly I was still completely the same, but visually -OH MY GOD... I thought that ayahuasca wat the most visuals I'd ever have but these was waaaayyyy beyond that.

The visuals:1st everything as though someone had taken a picture of what I was seeing and recolored everything with neon markers, I've seen this effect used alot in TV then everyhtin had patterns all over it. My hands were glowing all different colors and I could see thru them, plus unbelievable trails off everything. I was sitting next to the rave cabin were they were playing some of the best music ever. It was like psychadelic trance mix with pink floyedesque rock. It wasn't the best music cause I was so fucked up, just that it was actually good music. Infact I was kinda bumored that I didn't have better audio effects but that ties in with my research chem mental state. But as good as the tunes were I knew I better head back to my friends tent while I still (barely) see, just in case something went wrong I needed my friends to be there(I also had alot of shit on me that would be really bad if I lost or even worse got caught with).

I must have gotten 10ft into the woods before I couldn't see even my own hand directly in front of my face. The woods were really dark but had a been a bit more sober I would have had enough light from people's lamps/camp fires to easily find my way back. But all I could see were fractal patterns. It was as if I was wearing some sort of psychadelic blindfold. I stumbled into a chair and decided I might as well sit there since I could go anywhere. Surprisingly though, as fucked up as I was I was pretty calm. Then I started getting hungry, keep in mind I was on alot of E and tripping harder than I've ever tripped, there should be absolutly no reason for me to be hungry, but I was. So I asked anyone that I could hear pass by to please bring to the food court. Some nice hippy grabbed my voat and walked me there and said "good luck" I knew what he ment. I managed to grab some bills out of my pocket held them out blindly (aiming toward the smell) and said "food please".
The cook said "well what do you want",
I said"what do you have"
cook:"cant you read the menu"
me:"I cant even see who I'm talking to right now"
cook:"are you OK???"
me:"I'm fine just hungry"
cook:"YOU'RE HUNGRY!?"
me:"yeah, look I don't really care what is just make some food"
he laughs and says ok and starts talking to his friend about how he always sees something new. He asks what are you on, I tell him and it just seemed like I was spitting out jiberish to him 2ce4acodet and E.

I ate hoping it would somehow make me feel better, of coarse it didn't. I could sense bad thought starting to emerge "man I've really fried my brain this time" etc... My body started going numb like when yer foot falls asleep. It reminded my of when I did 125mg DPT I.M. which thank god for the fact that DPT only lasts 1-2 hours or I would have had the worst trip of my life. By the time I puked and then felt my brain twisting itself I started coming down, 5 more minutes and I would have done something stupid like call 911 or something.

I was on the lying down on the ground infront of the bondfire circle. I was asking if anyone could get me pharmies like xanax or valium of whatever but no one could hear me. I was just getting worse and worse this wasn't like the DPT bad trip, or my LSD freak out, this was a whole different type of hell. It was as if I was watching my self being tortured which is the best way I can describe it. Eventually I was taken to the hospital after a security guard who I didnt know was a security gaurd asked me what was wrong. I ended up getting a ride to the hospital, lost all my shit. But then my status improved, they released me with a consulation prize - my pills of 2ce. And by the time I got back my ride had bounced cuz they didn't know were I was.

Lesson learned: when it comes to drugs ESPECIALLY research chems be very very carefull, infact after that I've decided not to fuck with research chems with the exception of a few. And if I plan on trying to trip hard make sure I have some benzos on hand.
 
Nice trip report, pretty unique.
Sounds like you should have tried to make it to your friends sooner, but obviously that's hard to do sometimes,
been there :)
I hate when reports end with the hospital! I know they are there to serve and protect us, and save our lives, but uggh, I still hate the damn hospital... lol
 
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tru that. I feel like I've played the game and lost. And poor little me has to have someone save him becuz he got greedy and stupid, it's humiliating
 
after they give you the benzos like after my lsd freak I had an amazing trip the visuals became a tolerable level I felt real nice and clean like a good e type body high. It was like a had been to hell and was now in heaven.
 
Nice trip report, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with your statement on research chemicals. I have found 2C-E to be very mind blowing in all aspects of a psychedelic experience. 2C-i even had me in a very awesome mental state.
 
Wow... You really did push it hey. Can't imagine what hell you would have been through.

Good to hear you made it through alive. Looks like it just wasn't your time.

With all those chemicals in your body I think you should coun't your luck stars. ;)
 
Re: chemical cocktail...2ce+2acodet+mdma

ER0X said:
So I decided to eat 30mg 4acodet, which seems like alot compared to most reports but I found that 45mg didn't even compare so an 1/8 of really good shrooms in terms of power.

I wish I had my own GC/MS machine. It's just so hard to believe 16mg of 4-AcO-DET is plenty for me, and you need 45mg. 20mg of 4-AcO-DET is definitely the same in potency to 1/8 of your "average" Psilocybe cubensis to me. I know we all can respond differently, but that's quite a difference.
 
I find 2ce on its to be really good, but in combination with other drugs like mdma it seems to put a negative spin on things. Plus I cant see how 4acoDET can be compared with shrooms in terms of the high. They are nothing alike. the visuals are different as well as the body high and there's like no head high wich is something i find common amongst RC's
 
as far as dosages me,my friend and this girl I know took them. The 1st time i doses I took 10mg, waited 1.5hr wanted to trip harder took another 10mg didnt trip much harder then took another 10mg, I tripped decently but not as hard as 1/8 of cyanesence shrooms, cubensis are real week. Plus the 45mg is due to a tolernce I had built up
 
the girl felt nothing on 10mg but my friend loved it, but he has a real low tolernce to things and not much experience with drugs
 
4-ho-det was used in psychotherapy research in the 60's in Germany under the name cg-74. You can read a review of that research in the erowid 4-aco-det primer:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det_primer.shtml

In the mid 1960s, Dr. Hanscarl Leuner and G. Baer published a series of studies involving extensive clinical trials of CZ-74 with human volunteers (Leuner & Baer 1965; Baer 1967; Leuner 1962). They found CZ-74 to produce a psychedelic effect that differed only slightly from LSD and psilocybin. The overall effects were virtually identical in terms of the qualitative experience reported by their test subjects, with the only major differences being the dosage levels and duration. The physiological effects were found to be slight and within normal limits, even with high doses (Leuner & Baer 1965).

Leuner and Baer provided multiple sessions for their test subjects and noticed the pattern of inebriation changed over the course of repeated administrations. The most marked changes in the reports were the reduction of side-effects involving concentration and the thinking process (Baer 1967; Leuner 1962). Clearly, as one gets more comfortable and adept with navigating a new psychedelic space the negative effects tend to be perceived as being less dramatic.

In looking at the results of Leuner and Baer some observations can be made regarding the nature of CZ-74 and 4-acetoxy-DET. The physical effects were well established. There were slight increases in pulse rate, body temperature, and blood pressure, nausea, hypersalivation, reduced reaction of the pupils indicating mydriasis, somewhat increased reflexes, and coordination disturbances observed. The classic paranormal psychic effects of psilocin, LSD, and mescaline were also clearly present. The most frequent effects reported were a distortion of body image (100% ), and optical hallucinations (90% ), with optical sensations forming the biggest group of psychedelic effects reported in the study. The second largest grouping of reported effects were inhibition of speech articulation, nausea, euphoria, dysphoria, restlessness, and clouded consciousness, followed by acoustic hallucinations, paranoid thoughts, cosmic-mystical experience, age regression, and time distortion. Rarely, and only with the highest doses, did they notice extreme psychotic symptoms, with depersonalization, delirium, schizophrenic behavior with catatonic fits, and temporary paranoia happening (Baer 1967).

That sounds like a "real" drug to me.
 
Re: Re: chemical cocktail...2ce+2acodet+mdma

morninggloryseed said:
I wish I had my own GC/MS machine. It's just so hard to believe 16mg of 4-AcO-DET is plenty for me, and you need 45mg. 20mg of 4-AcO-DET is definitely the same in potency to 1/8 of your "average" Psilocybe cubensis to me. I know we all can respond differently, but that's quite a difference.

Off topic and different chemical, but it took 44mg of 4-HO-DiPT for much to happen for me and even then, it only consisted of slight visuals. Maybe some of us just need a higher dose...
 
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Good report!
Please dont under-estimate the power of research compounds... they are definately "real' drugs.
 
Interesting report. I'm intending on using 2-CE soon in combinations. Its been hard to find reports of it being mixed with other substances.
 
^^^^^

I have mixed a low dose of 2c-e with MDMA and all was good. Actually that time really the MDMA sort of took over for the most part.

I just recently mixed 2c-t-21 with 2c-c. I first took about 5-6mg of 2c-t-21, a few hours later took a 'regular' dose of 2c-c, 30mg. That combo, it just rocked. The colors were just absolutely incredible... The 2c-c added its "flowing" type visuals, altered sound, its own color effects, and really they combined well and it was like taking a ...2Z-U-47, like a new drug really. Visually, awesome.. Both of these are easy on the body, and so really I never had any 'bad' body effects at all. They both potentiated each other, the 2C-T-21 seemed to potentiate the wierd sound effect of the 2C-C, and made the 'flowing' more visible, and I could look at a blank white piece of paper, or a wall, and there were lines and patterns everywhere, and all very very colorful. 2C-C has this 'sparkle' effect, that was also enhanced, especially noticeable in a person's eyes, reflecting light, nice!

I think I really like 2C-T-21 for some reason, but the lower doses. By itself, 5-6mg makes me horny for part of it, "inappropriate smiles", and well, things that are funny are extra funny. Great for being with people, gives me a more creative edge with language when i'm talking. Emotion seems amplified also, although later on when I took the 2C-C I didnt feel like being around sober people, well, because I was tripping damn good! I should have taken a lower dose, but what I took, definitely good.

I'd like to try a low dose, just 4-6mg of 2C-E with about the same amount of 2C-T-21. I think they will mix well.. I will give some time before I try this again, but if those mix well, I might just add 15mg of 2C-C later on, since I was thinking, although the 2C-C 'changes' music/sound, it doesn't really enhance it, but a low dose of 2C-E does for me, so maybe just the first two will be just great, although if it is I know i'll be tempted to add a small dose of 2C-C later on, all three may potentiate each other in their own ways/etc. All at low doses, most likely being very very easy on the body. 2C-T-21 definitely interests me the most, to mix with the others (i dont plan on trying to mix 2C-I with it, i'd rather use the ones with the least stimulation/side effects). I've never taken 2C-T-7, but hear of the incredible visuals, well just what i've seen adding the 2C-C to the C21, i'm already so impressed i'm thinking...one of these combo's has got to rival whatever it is that T7 does, I couldn't imagine if i had taken a larger dose of C21, my vision would be, well I could imagine spinning fractal 3d things shooting out of the walls, already there were things starting to come out of the wall. I doubt i'd be able to read 8o - but I don't think i'd be barfing either! I'd probably be eating when I was hungry, well if I can see my food. Oh, and I forgot all about 2C-D... just 10-20mg of that, yeah I bet there are some great mixes here possible, not just for visuals, but 'psychedelic' and deep. Whatever ya mix, start with LOW doses! - After using 2C-D and then trying 2C-C i found it rather, boring, and 2C-T-21 was colorful and fun, but not incredible, but the mix! I doubt i'll be taking 2C-C by itself anymore :) Did i mention, the COLORS! (lol) =D
 
I didn't like mixing 2ce with E. The 2ce blocked all empathic effects of mdma. wasn't anyhting compared to E+shrooms/acid/2cb.
 
Apart from the trip to the hospital, this was a FUNNY report. I loved the part about holding your money blindly at the food (been in a similar situation) and the conversation that followed. I'm glad you are OK. Thanks for sharing!
 
gloggawogga said:
Leuner and Baer provided multiple sessions for their test subjects and noticed the pattern of inebriation changed over the course of repeated administrations. The most marked changes in the reports were the reduction of side-effects involving concentration and the thinking process (Baer 1967; Leuner 1962). Clearly, as one gets more comfortable and adept with navigating a new psychedelic space the negative effects tend to be perceived as being less dramatic.
^^ I find this observation extremely interesting. I couldn't say for sure whether I find this to be true with psychedelics, for me (although I'm not sure what "repeated administrations" actually means in this case.) But I have noticed with other drugs (alchohol, cannabis) that heavy, habitual users seem to experience fewer negative effects on cognition. I.e. they become high-functioning users.

gloggawogga said:
distortion of body image, optical hallucinations ... inhibition of speech articulation, nausea, euphoria, dysphoria, restlessness, clouded consciousness, ... acoustic hallucinations, paranoid thoughts, cosmic-mystical experience, age regression, time distortion ... depersonalization, delirium, schizophrenic behavior with catatonic fits, and temporary paranoia.
Next time someone asks me "What are psychedelics like?", this is what I'm gonna say.
 
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