Miscellaneous 25i NBOMe Help

[Jabberwocky]

I was in a situation where I took an nbomb without knowing what it was back in July. I’m starting to develop paranoia, hypnagogic hallucinations, depression, anxiety, increased visual distortions, migraines, and brain fog.

This same thing happened to me before when I took the nbomb for the first time (both times thought it was acid but the second time I took nearly 3 times as much- so about a tab and a half). The first round of everything was horrible. I was manic depressive, having auditory hallucinations, hypnagogic hallucinations, insomnia, narcolepsy, among a few other things. It took about 9 months from the time of ingestion for me to heal to a point of normalcy after the first round, I had taken actual acid again around month 8 and did acid occasionally from month 8 to month 16. On month 16 I took the nbomb again, yes I know very stupid- I thought the first time I tried the nbomb it was just a fluke and I’d been doing acid too much so I didn’t get the regular effects.

I’m anticipating this round being much worse due to the amount taken but I’m trying to be more mindful of how I care for myself and recognize when experiences I’m having are confounded/inflated by the residual effects of the nbomb.

Was there anything that has worked for you guys to get through the after effects of Nbombs?

I’m on 200mg Lamictal, 20mg Buspar, 40mg Omeprazole, 50mcg Fluticasone Propionate, and a Flovent 220mcg inhaler.

Even though I’m more knowledgeable now, I don’t know how to navigate the situation with my therapist and psych nurse/prescriber. They’re both understanding thankfully but they aren’t familiar with Nbombs and don’t know what to look out for. I’m just terrified that this crap is going to take over my life for the next 6-12 months of my life again. I don’t want to potentially lose my job if it gets severe enough

I can already feel myself starting to get more paranoid, my visual distortions will flare up more with pain/anxiety/stress, I’m starting to get insomnia and narcoleptic symptoms, and I am feeling extremely aggravated all the time.

I want to know if regular exercise, meditation, or anything else has helped others. I’m desperate at this point, I don’t want another severely low point where I feel suicidal.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Also no antipsychotics work for me, my symptoms get significantly worse. And antidepressants either caused horrible changes in libido with little emotional benefit or they also made my symptoms significantly worse (Prozac Seroquel Risperdal and Abilify were among the worst)

 

[pupnik]

I think it's the Lamictal and Buspar, and not anything to do with your Nbome indiscretion.
your allergies also give effects that can be perceived as cognitive fog.

avoid nbome

while using Lamictal and Buspar avoid psychedelics altogether. when you do not need Lamictal and Buspar you can play with cognitive toys again.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think it's the Lamictal and Buspar, and not anything to do with your Nbome indiscretion.
your allergies also give effects that can be perceived as cognitive fog.

avoid nbome

while using Lamictal and Buspar avoid psychedelics altogether. when you do not need Lamictal and Buspar you can play with cognitive toys again.

Thank you! Yeah I planned to stay of psychs for at least a year (until July 2022) but I’ll probably end up waiting longer because I’m terrified after my Nbome experience. I thought I was going to die and was becoming incoherent among so many other things, so I’m definitely going to avoid psychs- maybe try shrooms years from now but not now.

I actually started on my journey with meds after the first round of nbome. The effects listed in my post started before the meds and they just got to a point that was so severe I reached out for therapy and was directed to a psych nurse. My first one wasn’t understanding though, she just said don’t do recreational drugs and tried to put me on a ton of different meds thinking antipsychotics would fix the hallucinations

There was a point on the lamictal/buspar that I didn’t have brain fog (between 10/2020-06/2021 when I only did LSD 2 maybe 3 times) but then in 07/2021 I took the nbome again and everything came back.

 

[Viraldrome]

I was in a situation where I took an nbomb without knowing what it was back in July. I’m starting to develop paranoia, hypnagogic hallucinations, depression, anxiety, increased visual distortions, migraines, and brain fog.

Ok how do you know it was nbome now?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ok how do you know it was nbome now?

It was the same batch, I just held onto it after I took the first half tab bc I paid for 10 tabs

Also the tabs were bitter/metallic and numbing. The come up took forever and the visuals/auditory tripping didn’t peak and decline, I just got waves of visuals/effects that were really intense for about 5 hours. My muscles were tensing in my shoulders/neck and it felt like I was carrying heavy weights in both hands- I couldn’t relax them even if I tried. It felt like my head/eyes/tongue were going to explode from pressure too. I had absolutely no headspace and unlike on acid where you think you’re in pain or dying it physically did hurt and I had strain on my body/heart. I was crazy sore the next day and toward the end of it I considered going to the hospital bc I was going incoherent and getting really cold and weak while sweating.

Honestly the visuals were way more intense than any acid I’ve ever taken, but the stimulant sensations trumped all of it and ruined the high.

 

[Viraldrome]

So you didn't get it tested. You cannot tell its 25i based on the effects. There are all sorts of nbome/nboh chemicals out there. Maybe stop putting things in your mouth without testing it. You claimed this happened once, and then you let it happen a second time? You didn't learn your lesson? This long term bad reaction you are having isn't normal either, even for nbomes. It's probably the drug aggravating your pre existing mental problems. I would avoid all psychedelics if I were you

 

[Jabberwocky]

It was the same batch, I just held onto it after I took the first half tab bc I paid for 10 tabs

Also the tabs were bitter/metallic and numbing. The come up took forever and the visuals/auditory tripping didn’t peak and decline, I just got waves of visuals/effects that were really intense for about 5 hours. My muscles were tensing in my shoulders/neck and it felt like I was carrying heavy weights in both hands- I couldn’t relax them even if I tried. It felt like my head/eyes/tongue were going to explode from pressure too. I had absolutely no headspace and unlike on acid where you think you’re in pain or dying it physically did hurt and I had strain on my body/heart. I was crazy sore the next day and toward the end of it I considered going to the hospital bc I was going incoherent and getting really cold and weak while sweating.

So you didn't get it tested. You cannot tell its 25i based on the effects. There are all sorts of nbome/nboh chemicals out there. Maybe stop putting things in your mouth without testing it. You claimed this happened once, and then you let it happen a second time? You didn't learn your lesson? This long term bad reaction you are having isn't normal either, even for nbomes. It's probably the drug aggravating your pre existing mental problems. I would avoid all psychedelics if I were you

Yeah the first time I took a half tab. The physical symptoms I had I assumed were just psychosomatic because I thought I had taken LSD. I assumed I was just having a bad trip. I didn’t have any problems with the other gel tabs I had in between the first time taking the unknown substance and the second time. The gel tabs were tested and everything went fine with those. When I ran out of the gels I figured I would give the old batch another go because it was a waste. Definitely my bad for not testing the unknown substance, especially since I already had reagent testing kits. I accept this as a consequence, just looking for people with similar experiences to help navigate moving forward. So far I’ve found a couple with almost the exact same after effects, they just had more visual than auditory distortions.

 

[deficiT]

Yeah, I agree with above poster, it's important to test your drugs to ensure they are what you think they are. Do you know what the dose was of the tabs?

It does seem like an odd reaction, and not something that happens normally to most. What is it that you are on lamictal for? Like said above, it could be that it aggravated your pre-existing mental health condition. I know plenty of people that have taken nbome/nboh by the gallon, including myself, and never ran into any issues like this. Now everyone is different, but to me, I've never heard of one experience on any drug really causing these kinds of symptoms for 6 months to a year at a time or whatever you've described.

Definitely work on some exercise and meditation though, or maybe pick up an instrument or do some reading, distract yourself with something so you are not so focused on your current issues.

 

[Phobos]

I’m on 200mg Lamictal, 20mg Buspar, 40mg Omeprazole, 50mcg Fluticasone Propionate, and a Flovent 220mcg inhaler.

Where you on any drug at the times you took the presumed NBOMe class tabs?
Obviously not everyone is the same but me and a few people I know have taken literally hundreds of dosages with no ill effects whatsoever, and the people that had bad trips where just slightly shaken by the experience but the only commonly reported issue was benign HPPD that would fade out in a few weeks.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah, I agree with above poster, it's important to test your drugs to ensure they are what you think they are. Do you know what the dose was of the tabs?

It does seem like an odd reaction, and not something that happens normally to most. What is it that you are on lamictal for? Like said above, it could be that it aggravated your pre-existing mental health condition. I know plenty of people that have taken nbome/nboh by the gallon, including myself, and never ran into any issues like this. Now everyone is different, but to me, I've never heard of one experience on any drug really causing these kinds of symptoms for 6 months to a year at a time or whatever you've described.

Definitely work on some exercise and meditation though, or maybe pick up an instrument or do some reading, distract yourself with something so you are not so focused on your current issues.

Thank you! I was only on that one substance. In the past I’ve tried MDMA and weed (and LSD obv) but that’s it. The physical symptoms were somewhat like MDMA but way more painful/uncomfortable, I had the same jaw tension, bruxism, and lip/tongue biting though. And no I wasn’t sure of the dosage, our dealer is pretty reliable and tests all of his product before giving it out to people and said that the specific batch mentioned cleared as LSD. So not really sure why it would have had stimulant effects and caused waves of of “peaking” rather than a single peak that would gradually decline in intensity.

I am personally highly sensitive to drugs so it could have just been my body freaking out. The lamictal was prescribed because I was displaying manic type symptoms but it was no where near severe or frequent enough to be classified as such. It’s prescribed for general “mood disorder” but I’m not sure what it specifically helps because I don’t notice a difference and I’ve been on it for over a year.

Prior to taking the unknown substance, I had depression and anxiety but none of these other problems/symptoms. I didn’t have HPPD despite doing a ton of LSD prior to taking this substance, now I definitely do and I did after the first round. I definitely think the effects of the substance are exacerbating my mental health stuff because that’s unavoidable. My anxiety when paired with increased HPPD visuals/sounds is heightened which increases the likelihood of me feeling paranoid. With the depression it’s fairly straight forward of having suicidal thoughts (though I know I wouldn’t do anything), the frequency of those thoughts is just way more often now.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Where you on any drug at the times you took the presumed NBOMe class tabs?
Obviously not everyone is the same but me and a few people I know have taken literally hundreds of dosages with no ill effects whatsoever, and the people that had bad trips where just slightly shaken by the experience but the only commonly reported issue was benign HPPD that would fade out in a few weeks.

Nope I was only on the unknown substance. The visuals were extremely strong and the patterned ones looked like LSD visuals but they were less geometric/mandala-ish and more like smiley faces/cartoony. When I wasn’t getting a surge of tripping visuals/sounds, it was more like I had increased color saturation and mild moving visuals. When I would get a surge, it would feel almost exactly like when you reach a point with acid where you feel insanely overstimulated. Visuals were going crazy, sounds were super fucked up and distorted, and I couldn’t focus on anything (my pupils were so dilated that I was seeing lights with my eyes closed so I couldn’t avoid the visual overstimulation, my vision was also insanely blurry). There was absolutely no headspace though like on acid, mentally I had almost sober clarity- it was only visual/auditory changes.

If this had been the only thing happening I wouldn’t have thought much of it, but the stimulant effects were insane. The first time around it wasn’t as bad and made things feel more psychosomatic like if it was a bad trip, especially since I took hardly anything. The second time though I strongly considered going to the hospital because my body was so fucked up and in pain. I was not thinking straight, forgetting what I was saying in the moment, felt like I was going to pass out, had increased pressure in my head, severe muscle tension of the shoulder/neck/head areas, and a few other things.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Now that I think about it, it could have been serotonin syndrome maybe? The second time around I could see that especially since I was taking Buspirone at the time. However, that wouldn’t explain the after effects following the first round of the unknown substance as I wasn’t on medication nor were my depression/anxiety even close to being as bad as after taking the substance. I was so manic I blew $7000 in a month and have absolutely no recollection of how I did it. I never had any expressions of that kind of behavior in the past (prior to the substance) even when doing LSD frequently.

 

[Phobos]

Nope I was only on the unknown substance. The visuals were extremely strong and the patterned ones looked like LSD visuals but they were less geometric/mandala-ish and more like smiley faces/cartoony. When I wasn’t getting a surge of tripping visuals/sounds, it was more like I had increased color saturation and mild moving visuals. When I would get a surge, it would feel almost exactly like when you reach a point with acid where you feel insanely overstimulated. Visuals were going crazy, sounds were super fucked up and distorted, and I couldn’t focus on anything (my pupils were so dilated that I was seeing lights with my eyes closed so I couldn’t avoid the visual overstimulation, my vision was also insanely blurry). There was absolutely no headspace though like on acid, mentally I had almost sober clarity- it was only visual/auditory changes.

If this had been the only thing happening I wouldn’t have thought much of it, but the stimulant effects were insane. The first time around it wasn’t as bad and made things feel more psychosomatic like if it was a bad trip, especially since I took hardly anything. The second time though I strongly considered going to the hospital because my body was so fucked up and in pain. I was not thinking straight, forgetting what I was saying in the moment, felt like I was going to pass out, had increased pressure in my head, severe muscle tension of the shoulder/neck/head areas, and a few other things.

Seeing lights and colours with your eyes closed is completely normal when taking hallucinogens.
Didn't you realise this at the time? Have you ever experienced it with other psychedelics, such as LSD or 2c-X compounds?
Also being forgetful and the feeling of pressure are pretty common on NBOMes IME, as well as the muscle tension, but only in high dosages, ie 1mg+.
Did you swallow the blotter immediately or did you keep it under the tongue or on your gums?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Seeing lights and colours with your eyes closed is completely normal when taking hallucinogens.
Didn't you realise this at the time? Have you ever experienced it with other psychedelics, such as LSD or 2c-X compounds?
Also being forgetful and the feeling of pressure are pretty common on NBOMes IME, as well as the muscle tension, but only in high dosages, ie 1mg+.
Did you swallow the blotter immediately or did you keep it under the tongue or on your gums?

So while sober I still get the moving visuals like stuff is breathing/patterns shifting, I get the colored translucent neon patterns, and I get the same auditory distortions nearly all the time when sober. They’re just amplified when stressed or in pain.

I’ve taken a plethora of LSD over the last two years (about 20-30 trips) and none caused these persisting negative symptoms like the one messed up batch of nbome or whatever the substance was. After taking LSD the first few times I had really mild moving visuals while sober and they’d show up more when high on weed but they are much worse while sober after that other substance.

Whatever was on the blotter was sold as LSD and I took about 1.5-3 tabs because the come up & “peak” were so delayed, I just thought it was weak acid but I was so wrong lmaoo. We weren’t told the amount of the substance on the tabs so we went into it blindly, we usually do half a tab at a time but the slow come up made us feel like taking more. I also held the blotters under my tongue until soft then washed them down with water. They were pretty bitter and made my tongue feel numb in the places it touched.

I’ve only ever tried MDMA, MDA, LSD, and weed before. I haven’t mixed any of them except LSD and weed maybe three times. The MDA was an accident and a really bad experience.

My friend didn’t notice much and he mixed them with some other new LSD blotters he got from the same dealer. He had the best, most intense trip of his life mixing the two but he had the same muscle tension and very little headspace. He’s not as sensitive to drugs as I am though so he didn’t really have much going on. But he did end up experiencing severely heightened anxiety and depression in the same time frame as me following the substance use, so much so he uncharacteristically became severely suicidal, threatening to send pics/vids of him hurting himself, and just doing a ton of other impulsive things. I can’t blame it all on the substance but I know for me it made every much worse mentally

 

[pupnik]

if you do research on the senses of human beings, you will come to see that vision is not perfect cinema, but composite and recomposed after glancing saccades. there is so much opportunity to have debris from an earlier scene mixed in with torn and reforming strips of momentary input.

as children we learn to ignore the gaps and stick with the most consistent scenes which gain depth as we mature.

learn more about it. learning is the way to good health

 

[Phobos]

Whatever was on the blotter was sold as LSD and I took about 1.5-3 tabs because the come up & “peak” were so delayed, I just thought it was weak acid but I was so wrong lmaoo. We weren’t told the amount of the substance on the tabs so we went into it blindly, we usually do half a tab at a time but the slow come up made us feel like taking more. I also held the blotters under my tongue until soft then washed them down with water. They were pretty bitter and made my tongue feel numb in the places it touched.

So, the come up of NBOMe taken orally is usually shorter than what you described, although much longer than insufflated.
Redosing multiple times is typical when people believe they have LSD but it's a DOX compound (DOB, DOC, DOM, DOI, they have a very slow come up), so after 40 to 50 minutes they are not as high as they would like and take more.
It is not impossible that you had NBOMe blotters though, I think if they were does lightly, say 500ug each, you wouldn't feel the effects clearly until 60 to 90 minutes had passed.
If by that time you had taken more you ended up absorbing more than 1mg which is an epic dose unless you have a tolerance.

Anyway, the lesson to be learned here is that if you are trying a new batch of blotters you should never redose because you think they are weak.
The best thing is to purchase well in advance of the date you want to have a proper trip so you can try half a tab a week or 2 before.
Using reagent kits also helps to be sure of what you're taking.

In regards to how you get better, have you tried abstaining from alcohol if you're a drinker, and taking nootropics such as Lion's Mane mushroom extract?
If you are still experiencing problem so long after the experience it might be worth a shot.

 

[Jabberwocky]

So, the come up of NBOMe taken orally is usually shorter than what you described, although much longer than insufflated.
Redosing multiple times is typical when people believe they have LSD but it's a DOX compound (DOB, DOC, DOM, DOI, they have a very slow come up), so after 40 to 50 minutes they are not as high as they would like and take more.
It is not impossible that you had NBOMe blotters though, I think if they were does lightly, say 500ug each, you wouldn't feel the effects clearly until 60 to 90 minutes had passed.
If by that time you had taken more you ended up absorbing more than 1mg which is an epic dose unless you have a tolerance.

Anyway, the lesson to be learned here is that if you are trying a new batch of blotters you should never redose because you think they are weak.
The best thing is to purchase well in advance of the date you want to have a proper trip so you can try half a tab a week or 2 before.
Using reagent kits also helps to be sure of what you're taking.

In regards to how you get better, have you tried abstaining from alcohol if you're a drinker, and taking nootropics such as Lion's Mane mushroom extract?
If you are still experiencing problem so long after the experience it might be worth a shot.

Thank you! I will definitely look into nootropics!

Yeah I usually redose after 1.5-2hrs if I haven’t come up yet, but if I have come up I end up redosing around hour 5-6. I typically come up and peak by the 2 hour mark no matter what batch of LSD I’ve taken, I also just hold the blotter/gel tab under my tongue until it’s soft or mostly dissolved. Yeah I had a reagent kit at the time but it was likely expired (totally bad on my part).

I don’t delegate certain times for tripping or prep myself in any way the majority of the time I would just trip whenever. I plan to not trip or do any hallucinogens for at least another year or so to regain some kind of normalcy.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Definitely sounds like an NBOME from your descriptions.
Sounds like HPPD too, pretty severe cases can definitely can happen from NBOMEs (or that's at least my impression at least). Hope it goes away for you man. It's also likely Lamictal is adding to the brain fog, it's notorious for that.

In general, people say: don't smoke weed and try to exercise