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Heroin 2 smoking methods w no foil + making NYC powder smokable in efficient way

blime84

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So I always hear that smoking #4 heroin like what people get in the east coast is not possible, but I never have found this to be the case. The stuff I have gotten always smokes, just inefficient. It liquifies very briefly and then burns up. Perhaps its because I am never getting raw#4? who knows. I have tried 4 different connects there, as well as another #4 connect when I was in canada which smoked similar to the NYC stuff(I think it was a little more potent, but I didnt have it at the same time). I also was able to smoke it like that with the #4 I got on the west coast. I had always heard that adding caffine makes it smokable, perhaps all of it is cut with that now.

Anyhow, I did not want to cut my #4 with an inert substance which would just make it weaker, so I did something that seemed to work pretty well, I took a point of some good tar and a point of the # 4 and rolled them together until completely mixed. The result was a piece of tar lighter in color which was no longer sticky, kinda like playdough. It broke apart relativly easily. Anyhow, I was able to smoke this off of foil much cleaner than the powder, and i got way more hits off it than .2 of powder would. PRobably 10x more hits. Also tried it out with clip method descrived below, works great

SMOKE METHOD _ MORE EFFICIENT THAN FOIL PLUS CLEANER - Paper clip method

Need - 2 paper clips(or metal rods, not too thin, not too thick), 1 lighter(preferably Torch), Straw(optional)

Take the heroin(you need tar for this) put it on 1 clip, take the 2nd clip, heat it up with the lighter, torch, or gas stove top until red hot. The clip you hit can be replaced by a thicker metal rod, the thicker, the bigger the hit. Take the red hot clip and put it on part of the heroin on the first clip, it will smoke, inhale it. Most people use straws, but with this method, its not needed as much as you would with foil. Additionally, you dont have dirty foil which is possibly bad for health and leaves tons of soot. Also, I feel the tar burns more efficiently like this and you can get higher off a smaller amount. Some people prefer foil as it needs less gas from your lighter, and there is no waiting for the clip to heat. I use a torch lighter to heat my clips.

Smoke Method 2 - Like smoking Wax kinda - So the idea here is to get fat ass rips when smoking your heroin(only tested this with tar) - I purchased a Titanium Hoodless dabber bowl a while back to smoke my wax. When I did this, I realized I could use the setup in a modified way(or even the same way) with Tar. I take a .1 or so of tar, put it on the center of the titanium bowl(its a bowlpiece with solid center and 5 holes in a circle around the side of the depression). Then I take a glass rod, heat it with a torch until red hot, tap the tar with it while inhaling through the bong. You will get massive hits. Alternatively, you can take the point of tar and put it on the glass rod, then heat the titanium bowl until super hot with a torch, then just dab the glass rod with tar on to the hot bowl and inhale. This works pretty well too, but takes longer. The bong method I just described gets you the biggest hits I have gotten from smoking H.

Does anyone have experience using one of those Ecig things to smoke H?

before anyone gives me shit for smoking, my primary type of H here is tar, I am not a fan of needles, so I usually smoke it, I will inject few times a month. Tar kinda sucks for snorting, so I do it on occasion when in a rush. Also tar is made very well for smoking. When I get powder dope of non-mexican origin, then I primarily snort it, with some injections(thankfully, I am not very good at hitting myself with 1 hand, so I usually hit my legs when doing myself, so I dont do it too often. I only end up injecting when a friend has a rig and will hit me. I Find this a good way to ensure that I dont become regular with this practice(right now, I can still go out with short sleeves as my arms are clean, even if i took a few shots the last few days, its barely noticable.(PS , I dont know how all these people say tar is sooo horrible for your veins, I have shot up at least 100 times over the last 5 years since I did it first, probably 3 injection sites, around 30 - 40 shots each) and have no damage. In general, If you have clean tar, it doesnt leave anything but a tiny dot. If you have some bunk shit, then it will bruise up slightly and damage ur shit.
 
... Do you know how many times I have injected myself the past 5 years? Probably around 2'000. 100 times in 5 years isn't shit. Not "dicksizing", and certainly not saying that it's at a good thing. But you can't claim that slamming tar is harmless when you barely shoot up. 100 times in 5 years is such a low frequency as to make añything harmless. That's less than 1 shot every 2 weeks. You could slam cherry methadone syrup 1 or twice a month for the rest of you're life and never have any problems. Hell, you could slam methadone tablets, or the dirtiest tar in Cali, once ever 2 or 3 weeks the rest of you're life and not lose any veins.

It's doing it every day, as an IDU does, that is harmful. And believe me, tar is terrible on veins.( Abs thee is no such thing as "clean" tar, I suppose you mean potent).

Not trying to be an ass, but lets not advertise injecting tar into you're circulatory system as being ok, even if some of us do it.
 
^^ I'm with him. Shooting tar can leave the nastiest scars and you only have to miss a tiny bit to get black dots all over you. Plus, because you don't shoot regularly-- 3-10 times a day-- which means I've shot up more in a couple of weeks than you did in 5 years. Your body had time to heal. Plus, can't get much more wasteful than smoking it. Come on man. Really wasting stuff.
 
Nice use what works for you stay away from the needle Lorne is right about you not shooting up enough to see problems (even though Lorne says IV drug use caused him absolutely no damage in years) but when your addicted to the needle you take risks and end up in nasty situations I had blood poisoning before and kidney problems and know so many who have contracted Hep C from sharing needles and I have even shared needles with those people in the past. People always say just use new needles and don't share blah blah blah bit its not that simple cause think about it, if its 3am and your dope sick and your buddy offers you a hit of H to get well but he only has his needle and not a single pharmacy or needle exchange opens till 9 then what would most addicts who don't care about themselves do in that situation they want to get well so they risk it then next thing you know the user has contracted Hep C. It may seem that simple to say just don't share needles or use clean ones but then again its not always many people live in places where needles are not accessible too I mean I've seen people dig through garbage cans looking for an old needle to get high with. Seems gross I know but drug addicts are sick people.
 
It's caused me no *real* damage, (at least not that has made itself apperant) but I have lost at least one vein and damaged others severely.

But I have never shot tar on even a semi-regular basis, and I think it is well agreed that it is terrible for you're veins. But, so many other things are...

And, most importantly, I know what I'm doing. To a level I'm not going to be in short term risk from anything. Long term? Well I also am a lifelong smoker, my circulatory system is FUCKED, or will be.

It has fucked my life in other ways though, but in the end I function better with opioids(not neccasarily IV) than I do without them.

Glad people are agreeing with me though, I thought they would tell me to GTFO and quit being an asshole.

(Dude, it pisses me off we don't have needle exchanges.)
 
True I havent shot up as much as u guys, the most in a short amount of time was about 30 shots over a week, that was the week I decided It was not a good idea to keep going. I did not see any damage from any time I hit the veins(except if I did ones in my foot, where it would bruise up even if it was hit). I did miss a shot once around my ankle which resulted in swelling for about 2 weeks and feeling like my ankle was sprained. That was how I ended that week of shooting and didnt do it again for about 2 years. Recently in the past 3 months I took some shots again, but only let others hit me. Truthfully, I get just as high smoking my tar as I do shooting it. The only thing that I can't beat(and which I avoid doing as much as possible cuz its soooo damn good) is speedballs. I add about a pinner line worth of coke into the shot, the intensity is amplified about 10x from a normal shot. never had a kick like that before.
 
by clean tar, i meant potent, which is much cleaner than the cut shit(Ie. if you go to skid row or the tenderloin you will get crap thats 10% pure at most, but if you have a good connect, its possible to get tar that is up to 90% pure). Typically the cleaner tar leaves very little residue in the spoon as opposed to the cut shit. As for vein damage, I have friends who are IV users on the regular, they switched from smoking several years ago. A few of them who are using good shit only dont have much damage. I mean I see the track marks, but for example, one of my buddies has been using the same vein in his arm for over a year(about a 2-3 inch section of it just north of his elbow. The damage does not seem so bad. Most people who use the good stuff are able to hit a vein in about 20-30 sec even after years of use. Its nothing like the shit I see on TV where people poke themselves like a pin cushion for 30 minutes and thats after like 3-4 years of usage. BTW I hve been using for over 10 years now, the longest IV user I am good friends with has been using 6 years IV and is still ok. The only one I know who has lost some veins has been IV for over 12 years and he still has plenty of good ones. None of the people with little damage will use crap product though. If there is a lack of quality which is rare, they go on methadone or subs
 
I was hoping this method of smoking east coast style heroin wouldn't involve mixing it with nearly impossible to get black tar heroin (at least in my area, it's virtually unheard of). Any method for those with only access to east coast style dope?
 
Like crushing a no-doze, mixing one part powder no-doze with one part dope, and heating off alluminum foil? I'm not *that* interested in smoking east coast gear, but I've tried it in the past and pretty sure it was mostly a waste with the method I used (just pouring some alone on to foil and heating/inhaling through an empty toilet paper roll).
 
Why are you so intent on smoking it? I mean you have heroin HCL, enjoy it properly.

I know some people love smoking. But it's not particularly effective with H, I mean under ideal conditions yes, but they're is less variability in snorting as long as it's decent dope.

You yourself say it isn't efficient, this just dumbfounds me.(not trying to be abrasive, I am truly confused, smoking no 4 cannot be that efficient.
 
I'm not that interested in smoking it as I am curious to know if I was doing it wrong when I experimented with smoking it a year and a half or so back. I prefer to IV, for better or worse. But definitely not planning on trying to smoke it again in the near future.
 
Have much experience in using e-cig vaporizers with powder and tar solutions. Don't have any idea on the yield, but it works well enough. Usually did it for those late night wake ups just to go back to sleep. Or if I was too sick and shaking to hit.
As a bonus, it saves on wear and tear on your veins, especially for the compulsive re-dosers. (Also, makes for an interesting speedball when using heroin-cocaine solution)
 
I smoke H all the time, I live in midwest, have a few connections, but usually only use 1, normally the H we get is light tan to dark gray, sometimes VERY hard rocks, sometimes fine powder, varies from time to time, but its generally pretty good stuff, although sometimes I think Im getting weak shit, but its my tolerance that is the real problem! Sometimes it seems like my body is a fucking machine, takes MASSIVE amounts of drugs to get to even feeling fairly good versus friends that can use half a point and be fucked up for hours..?? It was the same way back when we were doing pills, mostly oxys, roxis, I would have to take SOOO many just to get feeling halfway good..sucks!

This is how I smoke my H...I take a piece of foil about 6inches by 6inches, fold a crease in a corner, put a point of H, usually about the size of a match head, hold the piece of foil with one hand, a lighter in the other, lighting it and bringing it closer and closer to the bottom of the foil, until the H starts smoking, all the while have a straw in my mouth, and start sucking in right before the H starts to smoke, then when I can feel i have enough, I stop the lighter, but continue to keep sucking in, until the H stops putting off smoke. Depending on the quality of the H, I usually am able to get about 4-5 hits off one point, until it is completely burnt up. The last few hits are always the strongest too. BTW, Ive found putting the crease in the foil, allows me to funnel the smoke so wasted smoke is minimal.
 
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