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2-FMA Toxicity?

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synergistic.affect

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I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this question, but I recently saw 2-FMA available and was wondering if anyone could speculate as to it's toxicity and effects.
there is an almost complete lack of info on google about this one. I remember reading a bevy of warnings about 4-fma and it's potential toxicity at relatively low doses, but i think i remember something about a lot of that toxicity being caused by the 4-substitution. i honestly know very little about chemistry, Perhaps only enough to know that 2-FMA does not share that one particular property(right?).
I know methamphetamines are generally going to have some level of toxicity, I'm just hoping that someone here might be able to elaborate on any inferences they could make about this substance from it's stucture or from any other sources. Are there any huge red flags? Would using 2-fma a hand full of times, in whatever a reasonable dose might be(?), equate to a horse's-kick to the temple? or would one be led to think(without guarantee of course) that it presents no unique and horrific dangers? Thanks for any help
 
If I remember correctly... TOXICITY IS REDUCED due to the Fluorine atom

but.. it still fucks your kidneys, liver, and such
 
Tripman said:
I would rather take 2-FMA than be kicked in the temple by a horse... That could kill you.

:|.
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Yeah, the horse-kick has been known to cause quite the hangover, and i'm not into hangovers... (turnovers? yes. range rovers? definately. anne colter's? not so much.) Yet my main problem is the more-ishness of the hoof-slap It renders me powerless to its beckoning. As soon as the sting starts too fade, there i am, without fail and without shame, bending down near the hind quarters of the horse with my hand outreached to tickle it's ass... and BOOM! Thank you sir, may i have another?

The 2FMA seems *reletively* safe and benign when compared to many of the stimulants on the market now. When i recieve my sample I will plugg it and report on what i experience. I would've loved to insufflate the stuff but my trusty steed and i went on another horrible bender last week, and this time there is blood still leaking from my nose and my sinuses are shot. I can't beleive it, really. I used to be an excellent student, an outgoing person, a quick-witted jock who, at most, would smoke pot from time to time. Now, after two months of equestrian soccer lessons with my head as the ball... and I don't really recognize the person i see in the mirror . These horses give me no insight, no lasting benefit; it is purely a hedonistic, self indulgent masturbatory activity. I have fallen from grace just to be SeaBiscuit's hack-e-sack. Jeez, i guess My drug habbits are getting reckless...

What scares me, tho, is that no matter how bad it gets, part of me is terrified that the-powers-that-be are gonna crack down on horses like they recently did in the UK (tho from what i hear, the horses gallupped across that place like a whirlwind). I have even heard mention of the authorities here targeting horse analogs such as ponies and donkeys; and related horse alkaloids and novel substitutions like colts, broncos, mares, foals, phillies, geldings, nags, and mustangs. These are our freedoms people. It's time to open our eyes... or at least my good eye. A recent binge has left one eye swollen shut, i think this was due to notoriously low purity and perhaps poor stabling of the animals, but with the current state of the market, who knows.

Last month I recieved a marmoset that was clearly(tho wrongly) labeled "horse". Can you imagine if i wasn't paying attention and i just went for it?!?! It scares the hell out of me. I guess im just in a bad and desperate place... Wish i just went ahead and tried the 2-FMA instead.
 
Hahahahaha.

Sorry for off-topicness, still trying to work out what the post is actually saying :D
 
Yeah, I've been drinking quite a bit, and I thought I was just too drunk to process your post but I suppose not. Dude, seriously, your stuff about horses is interesting but very...cryptic.... is the best way I can put it.

Either way...I've done 2fma a few times myself. There's so little information about it out there...that's disconcerting to say the least. Smoked a little of my friend's tonight. It's a methamphetamine analogue essentially from what I understand, so I'm sure there's a degree of neurotoxicity. I ran out of what I have, thank god. It's not good for you. How much is it not good for you? Enough that you really shouldn't make it a habit. No one knows the extent of its neurotoxicity etc.

I always feel dirty after doing 2fma. This is simply a personal anecdote but whenever I feel dirty after doing a drug I know it's not a drug that should be made a habit.
 
Sigmund said:
Yeah, I've been drinking quite a bit, and I thought I was just too drunk to process your post but I suppose not. Dude, seriously, your stuff about horses is interesting but very...cryptic.... is the best way I can put it.

Either way...I've done 2fma a few times myself. There's so little information about it out there...that's disconcerting to say the least. Smoked a little of my friend's tonight. It's a methamphetamine analogue essentially from what I understand, so I'm sure there's a degree of neurotoxicity. I ran out of what I have, thank god. It's not good for you. How much is it not good for you? Enough that you really shouldn't make it a habit. No one knows the extent of its neurotoxicity etc.

I always feel dirty after doing 2fma. This is simply a personal anecdote but whenever I feel dirty after doing a drug I know it's not a drug that should be made a habit.
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Mind telling us how it compares to the standard meth you've done?

and how you feel afterwards
 
Steps said:
Mind telling us how it compares to the standard meth you've done?

and how you feel afterwards
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Never done methamphetamine myself but done standard amphetamine more times than I care to count. My friends who did 2fma with me, and have also done meth before, say 2fma feels pretty much exactly like meth. They said it feels close to an how an "average" batch of meth is (not "ice", as they put it). So they were saying it feels like relatively pure meth? I hope that helps.

How I felt afterwords......I felt way way too good. When I do a lot of amphs I feel like shit on the comedown. I just want to sleep, even though I know I can't. I feel drained, depressed, anxious, restless.

This isn't how 2fma made me feel. I felt fine on 2fma comedown. More than fine. I felt good. I felt like doing more. I felt ready. Awake. Energized. Excited. Ready to get jacked again. Because of these feelings I knew 2fma was something I shouldn't do again. It's simply too good. I'm glad I threw the bag away when I did.
 
Did ~40mg insufflation. 2-3 hours of desirable effects. I didn't do all 40mg in a single line. Split it up and redosed every half hour or so. It burns. Really burns.

Smoked ~25mg on the end of a cigarette. 2 hours at most of desirable effects.

Tried oral of ~20mg. Lasted hours and hours. Maybe 5? I have a high amphetamine tolerance so I'm not sure if that plays a role.
 
^ What were the effects like? Euphoria? I'm very interested in this and 4-FMA concidering how much I prefer 4-FA to racemic speed (and how much more euphoric it is), the 4-fluro version of meth sounds promising.
 
Well, I gave the 2-FMA a go... actually many goes. I've found it to be a great chemical but it leaves a few questions unanswered.

To me, it is more subtle than regular meth. In fact, the way i can usually tell that im on it is not thru the primary experience of it's effects. Generally i can tell im on it when i notice myself begin to talk faster, not the feeling of it. So as you might have guessed, it wasn't mind-blowingly euphoric, my scalp did not tingle, etc. But i can also say i didn't notice any jaw gurning (I seem to have overactive nerves at c-5 causing a pretty regular clenching of my jaw even without drugs) or any muscle tension. It could also be the amounts i tried. In general, my doses were around 50mgs insufflated with either 20-40mg intranasal or 10-30mg vaped boosters spread out between 30mins to 4 hours. I didn't continue any of my uses for more than 8-10 hours.

My heartfelt advice is to STAY AWAY from vaping the material. After a handful of uses in a glass "flower stem" pipe there was a VERY ugly and thick white residue with brown and reddish lines in it. there were 5 people using said pipe, but it only took about an hour or so to notice the residue.

The 2-FMA is very good for my ADD, especially with the current prescription amphetamine shortage. Overall, even tho i didn't feel a ton in the department of first hand effects, i did like my behavour, wittiness, and social affect on the drug, and so i definately enjoyed the effects.

But as is often the case, there was a red flag. The drugs cardiovascular effects could not be well evaluated due to my seeming inability to test the effects of just 1 chemical at a time. Yes, i know, dumb, dumb, dumb. I am usually pretty smart, smart, smart about those things. I mixed the 2-FMA with methoxetamine. I would not recommend this. Here i am on the 4rd day after receiving both of these chems together, chest aching a little bit.

On the first day i allergy tested the 2-FMA, then tried 10, then 20, then 10mgs until i got an idea of 2-FMA's strength. Then I waited a few hours and did 50mgs with another booster around 2 hours later and 20mgs vaped once after. Then i waited 3-4 hours and did 50mgs MXE with many boosters throughout the night (no more 2-FMA), falling asleep with some trouble and some mild chest pain with heavy heartbeat, around 9 or 10am.

I woke up at 6pm and, in retrospect, foolishly used a 20mg 2-FMA vape to get past the groggy "morning". I re-upped on the 2-FMA several times over the next 8 or 9 hours. I then i mentally minimized the previous night's adverse cardiovascular effects and again began MXE usage with higher dose due to tolerance. I used 50mgs with a 30mg booster shortly after when 50mgs showed nearly no effects, then another 50mg booster a few hours later. The sun was up by then and i decided to go for a hike in the newly fallen snow. i was a bit drained by then so i, again foolishly, took a few more vapes off the 2-FMA and set out. about an hour later i was noticing that i was getting very winded very easily. I hadn't eaten in a long time, i was hoping that was the reason and perhaps it did contibute. When i got back i did 1 more line of 2-FMA for the fatigue... Why? Why, you horse-fiend? (in regards to that, no i never had a cathinone problem as described. I did have about 4 years of on-and-off GBL stupidity, but luckily moved on with relatively little damage sans some bad depression that i have since overcome with stablon, time, and effort); I then took some phenibut and fell asleep around 9 that night. Got up at 9:30 this morning and within 45 minutes of being up, i noticed the dull pain in my chest that i now have. I will not be repeating the activities of the prior few days. I feel some shame for my stupidity, but i feel the experience is important to share.

in summary: MXE = yessir; 2-FMA = potentially yessir; MXE + 2-FMA = no, dipshit... it's just logic

I definately liked the effects of the 2-FMA, but mixing it with MXE = No, definately no, let me be king ass-face with this combo, just learn the lesson of my mistake.
 
(ha, i made a math joke)

it's occuring to me that the ache could also be my lungs as it is similar to the pain i used to get before i quit smoking and also after i used to sniff alot of shit and presumably deposited some in my lungs. Really, that vape residue was nasty.
 
A friend also experienced some quite disconcerning cardiovascular effects after some (pretty heavy) use of 2-FA. Also coldness in extremities seems quite prominent. This together with some other effects I've noticed leads me to think the 2-FA:s causes cardiovascular negative effects not in reasonable proportion to their psychopharmacologic effects.
 
The benefits were ok, somewhat subtle and not very euphoric or reinforcing, well, to me at least. I was excited at first due to the lack of somatic complaints but that is not any kind of indicator of safety, ask anyone who was on Fen-phen back in the day. They definately didn't "feel" thier heart valves eroding. I'm personally going to stay away from here out. Shit, i got a dexedrine prescription and i do believe i prefer it and it's therapuetic potential is far higher as well. But the 2-FMA was fun for a few days, but that kind of potential for harming my body is something i'm hoping to leave behind now that i'm in my thirties. There's plenty out there that have better established safety profiles, enough to make it silly for me to continue being the guinea pig ive been for so long. As i said in another post, These days I prefer my drugs to be from the snap-bracelet era or before.
 
^ thank you for ressurecting this thread (and for your contributions), I'd forgotten your amazing horse-post :D

I'm going to shift it over to OD as they cover RC stims now - I hope that is okay with you :)

BDD > OD
 
I’ve consumed about .5 - .6 grams of this substance in the last 36 or so hours.
It was a chunky all white powder. I have a marquis reagent I can use here soon.

I started off early yesterday with a dose of 75mgs bombed. After an hour I think I peaked, it wasn't an overpowering euphoria, subtle like some people said above. There was a mild rush for about an hour when it first hit, and then it gradually wound down. About three or four hours later I took another smaller bomb. When that started to hit, I got enough courage to snort a small line, didn't burn as bad as I was expecting.

This kind of pattern went on for a while, doing a bomb and a small line. Tried to go to sleep at like 1am, laid there awake till 5am, might as well start the day with a bigger line.

At around 11 this morning, I took a pretty big bomb about 150mg which was the biggest bomb I'd done. When it started to kick in, I noticed my hands and feet were very cold / tingly, when I looked at my knees they were very pale and had a hue of purple. I took a hot shower to try and get my blood flowing again, and drank a lot of water to try and get hydrated. I hadn't really eaten that much since the day before either, so I managed to get some toast and an orange down, but I still don't have much an appetite.

The hot shower brought a lot of the color and feeling back to my legs and arms, after about an hour it mostly went away although my hands are still red. Also still a little freaked out about vasoconstriction though, that was stupid of me!

At no point was the experience ever what I would call intense, at least in the sense of euphoria. There's just an underlying stimulation, feels good, not pushy at all. When it first kicks in I could hear a ringing in my ears then it dies down, and then you have a couple hours of very subtle rushes and steady stimulation. Light in the sense that I can push the buzz aside if needed and concentrate, but not go to sleep if I try. I agree with an above poster about the physical sideffects, seem to be a lot more pronounced. When it first kicks in, palms get very sweaty and my heart still feels like it's beating a little fast.

I guess if you tend to get carried away with stims like me, please be careful. You can easily end up redosing trying to get to that "next level" that's always around the corner.

Be safe.
 
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