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Benzos 16mg Bupe/Espranor + Xanax

justme6263

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Hi,

So I am on 16mg bupe through my maintenance program and I've come into possession of some genuine Xanax, I am slightly concerned with the interactions of the two and whether it is safe? I do not want to fuck up in pursuit of a buzz - I've been on 16mg bupe for about 9 weeks and have zero experience or tolerance with any benzos and have never taken Xanax before.
 
Hey @justme6263 :) Jeez I can't believe you've been her so long and we haven't interacted much? Well, here we are, making up for lost time.

If you care about your sobriety as you say, you don't take the Alprazolam (Xanax). If you truly want to be sober, you do not take a single pill. Nothing good can come of it and in fact, complete ruin can be the end result. It always starts as a single questionable decision.

Benzodiazepines were much more popular and accessible 15-20 years ago. I'm not saying they're not around, but they're not around at all like they used to be. Back then, I knew oodles of people who got addicted to the combination of maintenance and Benzodiazepines. People would tend to engage in maintenance, be so thankful for their sobriety and their new lease on life. Then, they come to that early point where they experience the first twinge of boredom in this new life.

They find taking some Benzodiazepines with their maintenance totally brings the feelings back. A lot of people I've know describe it as if they were able to "restart" their addiction and enjoy getting high again where previously it had felt monotonous. It's a powerful combination, though still subtle to the first-person user of the drug. Both of these drugs numb sensations both mentally and physically. The subtle pull of these drugs seem like nothing until people realize they can't stop

They decide they should probably stop taking the Benzodiazepines. At this point they're taking 3mg-4mg per day; not much they think. When they stop taking the Benzodiazepines, they are hit in the face with an incredibly difficult and miserable withdrawal that has no established "ending". Not only that, Benzodiazepine withdrawal is well-known for its non-linear, "waxing and waning" qualities. One day, people think they're through it and they're so happy only to wake up the next morning and realize the previous day was some kind of fluke and you still have days or weeks to go. These ups and downs and false hope tend to make people lose their fucking minds fast.

It's impossible for these people to adhere to a plan, as they're symptoms are difficult to actually track and manage. The chaos and the misery often lead people to take a pill or two "just to have a break from the withdrawal". This leads to a cycle of extreme illness and misery in which the user goes without Benzodiazepines for stretches in which they are tortured, thikning it's all for a great cause, only for them to break every few days and restart the entire process from square one. (If this doesn't make sense to you, read up on the Kindling Effect).

I'm writng this so graphically as I feel Benzodiazepines are insidious in how they take hold of people and then eventually turn their brains to applesauce following decades of usage (Benzodiazepines cause dementia when used chronically). People don't and never will give these drugs the infamy that they deserve.

If you take that Alprazolam with your Buprenorphine?

You're gonna absolutely fucking love it. You're going to feel "how Buprenorphine was supposed to make me feel!". You're going to use them again if you do the first time. Then you're going to wake up one day and realize you're not gonna be able to be high like you were the past three days. You ponder the choice of doing your whole day without being high or being high and you're going to pick the latter because that's what we do.

Best case scenario would be you run out of the Alprazolam and are unable to get more Benzodiazepines.

It's just a bad idea. If you want to be sober, you have an obvious choice to make. If you want to get high, don't take more than 2mg Alprazolam with your Buprenorphine at the very most. You need to wait until you understand how the combination will affect you. A person on 16mg Buprenorphine is going to be able to handle ~4mg Alprazolam in the course of a day without becoming extremely fucked up.

As one addict to another, just don't.
 
Hey @justme6263 :) Jeez I can't believe you've been her so long and we haven't interacted much? Well, here we are, making up for lost time.

If you care about your sobriety as you say, you don't take the Alprazolam (Xanax). If you truly want to be sober, you do not take a single pill. Nothing good can come of it and in fact, complete ruin can be the end result. It always starts as a single questionable decision.

Benzodiazepines were much more popular and accessible 15-20 years ago. I'm not saying they're not around, but they're not around at all like they used to be. Back then, I knew oodles of people who got addicted to the combination of maintenance and Benzodiazepines. People would tend to engage in maintenance, be so thankful for their sobriety and their new lease on life. Then, they come to that early point where they experience the first twinge of boredom in this new life.

They find taking some Benzodiazepines with their maintenance totally brings the feelings back. A lot of people I've know describe it as if they were able to "restart" their addiction and enjoy getting high again where previously it had felt monotonous. It's a powerful combination, though still subtle to the first-person user of the drug. Both of these drugs numb sensations both mentally and physically. The subtle pull of these drugs seem like nothing until people realize they can't stop

They decide they should probably stop taking the Benzodiazepines. At this point they're taking 3mg-4mg per day; not much they think. When they stop taking the Benzodiazepines, they are hit in the face with an incredibly difficult and miserable withdrawal that has no established "ending". Not only that, Benzodiazepine withdrawal is well-known for its non-linear, "waxing and waning" qualities. One day, people think they're through it and they're so happy only to wake up the next morning and realize the previous day was some kind of fluke and you still have days or weeks to go. These ups and downs and false hope tend to make people lose their fucking minds fast.

It's impossible for these people to adhere to a plan, as they're symptoms are difficult to actually track and manage. The chaos and the misery often lead people to take a pill or two "just to have a break from the withdrawal". This leads to a cycle of extreme illness and misery in which the user goes without Benzodiazepines for stretches in which they are tortured, thikning it's all for a great cause, only for them to break every few days and restart the entire process from square one. (If this doesn't make sense to you, read up on the Kindling Effect).

I'm writng this so graphically as I feel Benzodiazepines are insidious in how they take hold of people and then eventually turn their brains to applesauce following decades of usage (Benzodiazepines cause dementia when used chronically). People don't and never will give these drugs the infamy that they deserve.

If you take that Alprazolam with your Buprenorphine?

You're gonna absolutely fucking love it. You're going to feel "how Buprenorphine was supposed to make me feel!". You're going to use them again if you do the first time. Then you're going to wake up one day and realize you're not gonna be able to be high like you were the past three days. You ponder the choice of doing your whole day without being high or being high and you're going to pick the latter because that's what we do.

Best case scenario would be you run out of the Alprazolam and are unable to get more Benzodiazepines.

It's just a bad idea. If you want to be sober, you have an obvious choice to make. If you want to get high, don't take more than 2mg Alprazolam with your Buprenorphine at the very most. You need to wait until you understand how the combination will affect you. A person on 16mg Buprenorphine is going to be able to handle ~4mg Alprazolam in the course of a day without becoming extremely fucked up.

As one addict to another, just don't.
Hi man,

Yeah its been a while but I don't post on here an awful lot even if I do read a lot, you're always good for sensible and straight forward advice man and I thank you for your advice here.

I needed to hear this. I've been addicted to this or that for most my life and right now is the only time I've had any semblance of sobriety (even though I have dipped my toe back in here and there, mainly with meth, but a clean 9 weeks no H) and being honest I can feel the itch coming back in. I've used meth recently but it has never been my drug of choice and never seemed to have more than binges every few months or longer even.

I am really happy that I don't have that daily struggle, war and terror to survive that comes with H addiction, its the first time in 8 years I can wake up and not reach for the foil, not wake up sick as a cunt and hating my life. I am genuinely happy, or at least happier than I've been for decades. I don't want to fuck this up, I have contact with my family again, with kids again and with everyone who means anything to me. You are right man, you are very right.

So thanks @Keif' Richards, I truly needed to hear this. The alprazolam has gone, I got rid after reading your reply.

EDIT: even my justification of meth use is a sign I'm losing sight of what is important, that sobriety has given me my life back to a degree. You one message really has woken me up out of this delusion I've been living for a couple weeks.

I don't follow a programme (fellowships) and its the first time I've tried to get clean without going to meetings and, while nowhere near perfect, its been the best effort yet. I feel like I am starting to get the itch again though and maybe I should get back to meetings. They just depress the life out of me though man, I've never felt less out of place than at these meetings.
 
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