15 year old steroid user

[flyhighk]

I finally decided to be brutally honest. I know i'm gonna get alot of negative replies for this but fuck it, i'm just trying to get help/advice. Sorry if this is too long.
Ok so i'm 15 years old, 140 lbs 5'7 and 18+bf. 10 months ago i was diagnosed with scoliosis, 2 15deg curves. Did physiotherapy for 6 wks but stopped. Started going to the gym just before my diagnosis. (had lost 30lbs+ of fat and gained some muscle before that) my training/diet gradually got better. 5 months ago I got into a deep depression for no real reason so my diet/training sucked and eventually i stopped training at all. Ate like shit and i got better 10 wks ago. gained 10lbs in those 5 months. Ima start going back to the gym in a couple days and get my diet back on track. Okay so my scoliosis is getting worse. My mood isn't great. My torso is very short compared to my legs. So i planned to get on test so I can stunt my growth (so no more increase in scoliosis), improve my mood, and build muscle faster which is gonna help "cover" my deformity.
It's not that bad but it's pretty obvious when i take my shirt off. No legal issues as it's all legal here. This is my original plan :
Weeks 1-2 : train and get my diet right at a 200cal surplus.
Weeks 2-6 : 30mg epistane ED while cutting.
Weeks 6&beyond 250mg test e EW + proviron if needed.
I may up the test later on.
As for sides, acne is under control. I got proviron for estrogen as well as nolva. I got clomid if i ever decide to come off and can't really afford AIs now. I don't care about friends/family opinion. The increased muscle growth will also support my spine and keep it a bit healthier. I prefer being 5'7 than being 5'10 with a dead spine.
So any help/advice will be welcome and i hope you'll understand my choice. Thank you

 

[-Guido-]

Are you a fucking idiot? Steroids are not going to help your scoliosis. At 15 you should be worrying about getting it under control unless you want rods in your spine when you are in your twenties and risk a surgery that could leave you paralyzed.

Steroids at 15? Blasting and cruising at 15? No. No. No. No. No. Not to mention working out to gain muscle is going to make your situation worse. It ain't going to cover your fucking deformity. You need physical therapy and a back brace bro. Stunt your growth? LOL! Bro scoliosis will not be hindered or reduced when you stop growing. Steroids will not support your spine.

140lbs and using steroids? 18% body fat? No bro. Just no. ESPECIALLY with that condition.

 

[roganmaster]

I finally decided to be brutally honest. I know i'm gonna get alot of negative replies for this but fuck it, i'm just trying to get help/advice. Sorry if this is too long.
Ok so i'm 15 years old, 140 lbs 5'7 and 18+bf. 10 months ago i was diagnosed with scoliosis, 2 15deg curves. Did physiotherapy for 6 wks but stopped. Started going to the gym just before my diagnosis. (had lost 30lbs+ of fat and gained some muscle before that) my training/diet gradually got better. 5 months ago I got into a deep depression for no real reason so my diet/training sucked and eventually i stopped training at all. Ate like shit and i got better 10 wks ago. gained 10lbs in those 5 months. Ima start going back to the gym in a couple days and get my diet back on track. Okay so my scoliosis is getting worse. My mood isn't great. My torso is very short compared to my legs. So i planned to get on test so I can stunt my growth (so no more increase in scoliosis), improve my mood, and build muscle faster which is gonna help "cover" my deformity.
It's not that bad but it's pretty obvious when i take my shirt off. No legal issues as it's all legal here. This is my original plan :
Weeks 1-2 : train and get my diet right at a 200cal surplus.
Weeks 2-6 : 30mg epistane ED while cutting.
Weeks 6&beyond 250mg test e EW + proviron if needed.
I may up the test later on.
As for sides, acne is under control. I got proviron for estrogen as well as nolva. I got clomid if i ever decide to come off and can't really afford AIs now. I don't care about friends/family opinion. The increased muscle growth will also support my spine and keep it a bit healthier. I prefer being 5'7 than being 5'10 with a dead spine.
So any help/advice will be welcome and i hope you'll understand my choice. Thank you

Regular exercise has been shown time and time again to improve mood and help fight against depression. I know you think that you have this all figured out, running a cycle to fix a few problems, but test isn't going to do it for you. It's not going to dig you out of depression, it's not necessarily going to stunt your growth, and it's not going to help fix your spine. But what it might do at your age is have a really fucked up effect on your endocrine system and cause some really screwed up developmental issues as you get older.

I've heard of guys who fixed their posture by learning and executing the perfect form of deadlifts. They'll increase strength in your back, which may help support your posture. Of course, this is not medical advice and you should be consulting a physician or someone who is medically qualified to give you that advice. All we can tell you is that steroids aren't going to help you get to your goals. I'm sure there are a variety of stretches and exercises you could discover even by doing a simple youtube search. I know there's a lot of information on how to fix lordosis, so it's possible that the information exists for scoliosis as well

Clomid made me more emotional than a pre-menstrual woman. Unrelated lol.

Edit: I apologize if this is against the rules, but here's a video I found on YouTube related to stretching and exercises to help fix scoliosis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWtrCmzaOw

 

[flyhighk]

Are you a fucking idiot? Steroids are not going to help your scoliosis. At 15 you should be worrying about getting it under control unless you want rods in your spine when you are in your twenties and risk a surgery that could leave you paralyzed.

Steroids at 15? Blasting and cruising at 15? No. No. No. No. No. Not to mention working out to gain muscle is going to make your situation worse. It ain't going to cover your fucking deformity. You need physical therapy and a back brace bro. Stunt your growth? LOL! Bro scoliosis will not be hindered or reduced when you stop growing. Steroids will not support your spine.

140lbs and using steroids? 18% body fat? No bro. Just no. ESPECIALLY with that condition.

My doctor actually wanted me exercising. I have an appointment soon and he's prob gonna order a brace. Scoliosis will stop when i stop growing. That's why I wanna stunt my growth, or at least try to. bf will go down before getting on test.

 

[flyhighk]

Regular exercise has been shown time and time again to improve mood and help fight against depression. I know you think that you have this all figured out, running a cycle to fix a few problems, but test isn't going to do it for you. It's not going to dig you out of depression, it's not necessarily going to stunt your growth, and it's not going to help fix your spine. But what it might do at your age is have a really fucked up effect on your endocrine system and cause some really screwed up developmental issues as you get older.

I've heard of guys who fixed their posture by learning and executing the perfect form of deadlifts. They'll increase strength in your back, which may help support your posture. Of course, this is not medical advice and you should be consulting a physician or someone who is medically qualified to give you that advice. All we can tell you is that steroids aren't going to help you get to your goals. I'm sure there are a variety of stretches and exercises you could discover even by doing a simple youtube search. I know there's a lot of information on how to fix lordosis, so it's possible that the information exists for scoliosis as well

Clomid made me more emotional than a pre-menstrual woman. Unrelated lol.

Edit: I apologize if this is against the rules, but here's a video I found on YouTube related to stretching and exercises to help fix scoliosis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWtrCmzaOw

Thanks, I had already watched it. My physical therapist had me doing those kinda exercises/stretches and others. For me it's really worth it. i'm re-thinking about my decision...

 

[Animal Mother]

that brace isn't going to do shit. Any good scoli specializing doctor will tell you. There is only one effective treatment for severe scoli, and that is corrective surgery. As some someone who has been through this, and the surgery, Nobody in this fucking forum can tell me otherwise. If yours is bad enough, it could develop into significant back pain and respiratory problems later in life. Not to mention muscle imbalance, which can endanger joints or just fucking suck to look at.

tell your parents that you want to apply for the scottish rite hospital in Dallas, Texas. They take on select patients free of charge if they are under 18. It's THE BEST hospital for scoli patients in the nation.

Heavy anesthesia is very hard on the body. I had zero appetite and felt like I had no T for a month after my surgery. Also, you will be very weak for a long time.


I definitely suggest putting as much muscle on as possible before surgery, but I'm not a doctor and you should definitely consult with one before altering any support system for your back.

None the less, STEROIDS ARE NOT AN OPTION FOR YOU AT YOUR AGE. Sorry, homey, but your body isn't done growing yet and that means your hormonal systems as well. You could permanently fuck up your hormones for life.

you don't want to be a liitle estrogen-fueled bitch for life do you? Just diet and train hard, at your age, you should blow up regardless.

 

[flyhighk]

I had considered surgery. But after more research I thought that I wouldn't be able to move and workout correctly after the surgery. So now a part of your spine if fused, and you can still deadlift squat etc ? Thanks bro I wasn't expecting someone with scoliosis on here lol

 

[Animal Mother]

I had considered surgery. But after more research I thought that I wouldn't be able to move and workout correctly after the surgery. So now a part of your spine if fused, and you can still deadlift squat etc ? Thanks bro I wasn't expecting someone with scoliosis on here lol

Generally, it's the lower lumbar that are fused. You actually have limited mobility in this area anyways.
I don't know what your spine looks like, nor am I a medical professional, so I don't know that the same lumbar would be fused in you.

But I can still deadlift and squat fine. I wouldn't have been able to safely do either of these things for at least a year after my surgery though. They'll tell you that too. I didn't work out back then anyways, so it wasn't a big deal. For a while, I wasn't that flexible, but I kept bending and twisting to my limits, and if I've lost any flexibility, it's just a few degrees of it. I still have better flexibility than most people.

I will say this though. I did have lower back pain, from it stiffening up, for years after my surgery. When I started working our consistently, especially my legs and back, it has completely gone away.

 

[-Guido-]

that brace isn't going to do shit. Any good scoli specializing doctor will tell you. There is only one effective treatment for severe scoli, and that is corrective surgery. As some someone who has been through this, and the surgery, Nobody in this fucking forum can tell me otherwise. If yours is bad enough, it could develop into significant back pain and respiratory problems later in life. Not to mention muscle imbalance, which can endanger joints or just fucking suck to look at.

tell your parents that you want to apply for the scottish rite hospital in Dallas, Texas. They take on select patients free of charge if they are under 18. It's THE BEST hospital for scoli patients in the nation.

Heavy anesthesia is very hard on the body. I had zero appetite and felt like I had no T for a month after my surgery. Also, you will be very weak for a long time.


I definitely suggest putting as much muscle on as possible before surgery, but I'm not a doctor and you should definitely consult with one before altering any support system for your back.

None the less, STEROIDS ARE NOT AN OPTION FOR YOU AT YOUR AGE. Sorry, homey, but your body isn't done growing yet and that means your hormonal systems as well. You could permanently fuck up your hormones for life.

you don't want to be a liitle estrogen-fueled bitch for life do you? Just diet and train hard, at your age, you should blow up regardless.

That's what happened to my sister, her spine started to push into her lungs and fused in one spot impeding movement. She had to get two titanium rods put onto her spine along with some blots and clips. She sets off metal detectors lol. She tried using a brace, doing stretches, and excercise but none of that worked. She turned 23 and had to get surgery.

 

[-Guido-]

I had considered surgery. But after more research I thought that I wouldn't be able to move and workout correctly after the surgery. So now a part of your spine if fused, and you can still deadlift squat etc ? Thanks bro I wasn't expecting someone with scoliosis on here lol

Deadlifting and squating with scoliosis will only aggravate the scoliosis bro. My sister even with the rods and clips can do yoga, squat, and run. It hasn't impeded her movement in the slightest and the surgery actually strengthened her back muscles and abdominals because she now has proper spinal alignment and posture.

 

[Animal Mother]

Yeah, it made either side of my ribcage differrent sizes.


I'll bet that your sister has a sexy scar.





feels good man

 

[flyhighk]

Deadlifting and squating with scoliosis will only aggravate the scoliosis bro. My sister even with the rods and clips can do yoga, squat, and run. It hasn't impeded her movement in the slightest and the surgery actually strengthened her back muscles and abdominals because she now has proper spinal alignment and posture.

That's great. If I can workout with that cyborg back, it would be great to have the surgery.

 

[-Guido-]

You probably won't be doing any powerlifting but you will be able to put in a hard workout like anyone else.

 

[Animal Mother]

After it fully heals anyway

 

[synchrojet]

No need to further discourage the use of test, or any roids, at this point in your life. The above posters have told you the reasons, and they are correct. You will likely only worsen the condition. So what exercises might actually help?

Well at the risk of incurring unnecessary debate, I have to disagree with the advice to focus on deadlifts - for now. Deadlifts are absolutely an effective exercise to strengthen the back, indeed, the entire body, but until you have acquired the core strength necessary to properly execute deadlifts my advice is to avoid them. However it is indisputable that the deadlift is the single most effective overall strength builder - once one has reached that condidtion where one's overall musculature is sufficiently trained to properly execute them. In the absence of a developed base, the probability of improper execution is increased tremendously, and in your situation could render horrific injury very easily. Normally the squat is suggested for dramatic core strength increase, but as I am not familiar with the exact mechanics of your body's deviations, I cannot recommend the squat either. It goes without saying that you must absolutely employ a properly educated personal trainer throughout, most especially during the first year or two. As for specific exercises, I would suggest as an alternative to deadlifts and squats the following:

ONE:
Pullups. While at present it is likely that you cannot do many pullups, if any, there are plenty of gyms with a machine specifically designed to aid one in pullups. Indeed, these machines are not uncommon to see in facilities devoted to physical rehabilitation therapy, right along side the exercise bikes and rowing machines.

TWO.
Pushups. Yes I know, pushups are for your chest, right? But what is included in the pushup is the recruitment of stabilizing musculature - and most specifically that in the core areas - a definite must for you.

THREE.
Abdominal crunches, on the machine. Here again, what you require is the overall strengthening of your core, and central to this is the strengthening of your abdominals. In fact, one could make a very, very strong case that this should be the number one exercise on the list. And perhaps it should, although pullups require significant abdominal strength and are a most effective exercise to train the abdominal as well, and moreover pullups are not possible to execute while hunching forward inappropriately, whereas many abdominal exercises may be accomplished in such a way so as to perhaps exacerbate your issue - so be mindful of proper execution. (This is the reason I do not recommend traditional situps for you - the intrinsic tendency to hunch inappropriately.) Seek a trainer.

FOUR:
Stairclimber.

Absolutely CRITICAL broseph. CRITICAL. Even just ten minutes on the lowest setting if that's all you can manage. Even less if the case requires at first. But you absolutely MUST incorporate this exercise into your regiment if you expect to see a significant neutralization of your condition. The entire logic chain is tedious, but the essence of it centralizes on the fact that the simultaneous development of the quads, glutimus maximus, and lower back have an enormous positive impact on overall stability. True, the cardio element is important, but it is this stimulation of endurance related muscle tissue in these large muscle groups devoted specifically to posture and stability that is of primary benefit.

Lastly I might point out that to engage in an inappropriate lifting regimen at this point could in fact be detrimental to your condition, so be sure that you educate yourself thoroughly and incorporate this education in a precise manner. All that is required is a thorough research online that can be accomplished within a week. Don't tailor your searches with an intent to ratify your desire to inject steroids right now. Im sure there are idiots somewhere online who would endorse this tragic decision, but I will reiterate what has been repeated already: Steroid use at present will likely exacerbate the issue, and regardless of if it does or does not, will in no way shape or form help to neutralize it. PROPORTIONED core strength enhancement is the ticket here, and believe us that steroids do not increase one's ability to select which muscle groups are to be emphasized. An incorrect emphasis on say, chest and arms, may very well be disastrous in your situation, so the importance of a proportioned approach cannot be overstated.

BTW, should you get conflicting advice from lots of others, I have completed the ACE certification course as well as been a personal trainer and a rehab specialist assistant. Doesn't make me smarter or better than anyone by any means, but as your reasons for training are specifically centered on the neutralization of a medical condition whereby your physique requires specializing, I might underscore that an inaccurate approach may well worsen things. The rehab job was specifically for the elderly, so perhaps does not apply here other than to say that the required education for that job included a fairly thorough knowledge of what is achievable via physical exercise.

A LOT

Best of luck to ya, and please report in periodically to let us know about your progress, yeah?

 

[flyhighk]

I could do 6 pullups few months ago now I can do 3. As for pushups and crunches, I will put them somewhere in my weekly split.
the main reason for which I wanted to use test is to stunt my growth. It is not guaranteed that it will work, but I wanted to give it a try.
Anyways, thanks to all of you for the support

 

[MrSpeedyG]

Photo of OP:

 

[flyhighk]

Nope i'm on my phone

 

[adderallmonsta]

Are you a fucking idiot? Steroids are not going to help your scoliosis. At 15 you should be worrying about getting it under control unless you want rods in your spine when you are in your twenties and risk a surgery that could leave you paralyzed.

Steroids at 15? Blasting and cruising at 15? No. No. No. No. No. Not to mention working out to gain muscle is going to make your situation worse. It ain't going to cover your fucking deformity. You need physical therapy and a back brace bro. Stunt your growth? LOL! Bro scoliosis will not be hindered or reduced when you stop growing. Steroids will not support your spine.

140lbs and using steroids? 18% body fat? No bro. Just no. ESPECIALLY with that condition.

I'm don't advise underage steroid use either, but someone that light can be put on steroids was prescribed prednisone I bealive when I was 15 125 lbs

 

[crazycatman]

prednisone is the 'opposite' of aas that this board is about

usually used to suppress the immune system when it goes crazy, other effects include fat gain, muscle loss, fatigue, depression

basically prednisone is a corticosteroid while this board is about anabolic-androgenic steroids