Once you get below 4. Especially below 2 it becomes an uphill battle. Dropping to and below 1mg can be absolute hell.
Once you get below 4. Especially below 2 it becomes an uphill battle. Dropping to and below 1mg can be absolute hell. I used an unorthodox method involving legit roxi 30s and MsContin 60s to kick from 2mg. I just couldn't get myself lower. I will say that after I finished the MsContin I walked away without any withdrawal. Well besides paws that is.
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Yes, it's what I use to call 'The Frontier", and it's also very present in methadone tapers and I will use my own example, my own experience. You can be on 120mg and cut it to 50 week by week no problem, no sleep disruption, no lack of energy, all fine. But then you cut from 50 to 40, and you start feeling like all of us know, but you can handle it nevertheless. From 40 to 30 it's more notorious, it becomes more unconfortable but you still can do it and socially function. Your sleep is worse, you don't eat as you should, you're fucking tired... but, with a slow taper, you can land in 30 mg. But here things start to be different: after some weeks passed you just can adjust to the new dosage. You aren't bad but you aren't OK at all. You are serious about your taper and you avoid the temptation to have some mg more or even use low doses of other opis, not even codeine, tramadol nor loperamide, you walk your way as a true samuray, you make it on those 30 mg for over a month, even more.... but things don't work like they use to and, eventually, you realize that that dose isn't enough and it's far from cover you 24 hours, like it should.
Now you are in "The Frontier" and here is where you would have to decide what do you want bur, like in an equation, divided by what you can or can't do: you may want to keep tapering, but the process is harder and harder each drop. Maybe you are not working, you have not wife and kids, so maybe you can rest in bed, go for a walk and keep walking the samurai's path to the end of the taper, or you can jump at a low dose and bit the bullet. But maybe you have to work and take care of a family and a life while that need you functional.
Many people have done it, so it's doable, but it won't be easy. You are already are far from being good in your current dose of, say, 27 mg, but in order to quit you will be forced to drope to 25, and then 23... many weeks will pass and you still will be in, say again, 14 mg and it means that you will be sicker that when you were on 27mg, but you know that you still have weeks and months to keep tapering, that is to keep suffering.
You won't be happy, will try to avoid social events that your family and friends wants to enjoy. You won't find energy to play with your kids like you used to.... you start to feel empty first and depressed later.... and you will be too emotional and sensitive.
Such is, in my experience, the nature of "The Frontier".
So, you need to be strong and have some kind of support around you. As I say, it's doable cause very long mdone users had done it.
But, just for truth sake, not everybody finish their taper successfully. There are many others, such as me, who have tried many times to no avail. We just cross the frontier line and keep tapering only to find a point where they simply can't reach 20 mg and still remain functional. So, what we do? We increase our dose a bit, only a bit, but then another bit, and we found ourselves at 30 mg again, that's saying back to the 30 mg frontier and we stay more or less okish for a while, but after some time, those 30mg don't hold you - as we had found when we first landed on that dose- so we raise it to 35, later 40 and then, maybe, more.
So there we are, again at the starting point but after having trying our best and suffered our share.
But, the main point here is that it is doable, you will find more than one successful story here in BL
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