Help-husband addicted to ir oxycodone and has cancer

[namnoc16]

Let me tell you from little experience I have, I had a childhood friend who moved from Israel to America for 3 years (to California to be exact) I was too young to understand why they came and left and later I got older found out the mom had cancer she was bald completely when j met her and came to get legal marijuana prescription for cancer that was the entire purpose of traveling that far... Also pot helped me stop lots of hard drugs without help from professionals. Like that guy said get him tons of pot "I don't condone doing anything illegal cough cough*" what state are you in?

Hey Invisible helper what's up? I understand your intentions are good but usually MJ is prescribed along with opiate /opioid for treating cancer and it is used mainly for naseau from treatment and to help with appetite. MJ is great for helping with pain in more mild afflictions but with the list of his problems I don't think it would offer much relief. I think it would it would ideally be better because of it's much less of an addiction takes a much less toll on ones body. Also his doctors are telling him his pain isn't consistent with his cancer so I'm assuming it's from his other issues.
I could very well be wrong but that's just my opinion! I wasn't trying to step on your toes and hopeI didn't offend.

 

[Invisible Helper]

Namnoc no worries you aren't!! I'm just saying massive doses of CBD and edibles drinks and tinctures and smoking all together has massive pain relief . Also try Kratom but honestly I've always asked myself what it would be like to be in that much pain from an illness as well as being an addict like fuck I guess weed can only help so much ( it helps me barely to get off h but I've been smoking daily for 5 years weed) just try the drink forms maybe strong concentrated in a vaporizer pen with wax idk this isn't a simple question with a simple answer but to me that's the least harm risk but highest chance help tool for this situation is my point

 

[BeachBum4u]

You've gotten some really great advice from fellow BL'ers here. Personally, I think the suggestion to take daily stool softeners could be a life changer. I, like many others here, speak from personal experience. I just took my dose a few minutes ago. It has actually taken me from a once every 3-4 dayer in Absolute Agony on the john for 20 to 30 minutes per, to almost regular and not in any pain at all. I hope he can try it.

And secondly, the suggestion to take over control of his pain pills; to lock them up and dole out his daily dose each morning. I really believe this could also really help to regulate what a normal (relatively speaking) day might look like to him. Hey,the worse case scenario is that even if he does the whole day's worth of pills right away, he's never in more than maybe 18 hours of withdrawal, give or take. Best case scenario is that he actually doesn't run out before the next refill date AND this might teach his body over time to adjust to this schedule and all the ups and downs will hopefully be leveled out. I realize this whole deal takes a ton of trust on his part, basically turning over control of what may be the most important aspect of his life right now. However, with a little faith, it might just work. I mean seriously, what does he have to lose at this point? It sounds like his life is pretty much a mess right now and I truly mean that with as much concern and empathy as one could possibly muster.

I wish the two of you all the Best in the upcoming days and hope the appointments coming up provide some physical and emotional relief for the both of you! Best Wishes!!

 

[Jagger15]

Thanks to all. He was just released from the hospital. It was a bumpy two days. He drove himself the 1 hr to the hospital because he wasn't ready when a friend came to pick him up at 6 am and wrecked (my new) car on the way. I was already in the city where the hospital is, I went in the night before with the dog. He wasnt hurt and the car has minimal damage but then he had to wait in the ER all day (instead of meeting oncologist there at 7 am and getting right into a room) and they weren't giving him what he needed for pain and it was a mess. He finally got a room end of day Tuesday and for two days was in hospital. The oncologist had the pain dept of the hospital visit and ask q but he wasn't very cooperative and wasn't prepared for all the poking around in other areas of his life because he thought he was there to deal with the cancer. Anyway they had him on IV Dilaudid + IR + ER in the hospital because the oncologist said anything you need to manage the pain so we can deal with the cancer. He got an MRI and almost had 2 biopsies today but they decided to wait until tues due to some miscommunication. Basically the oncologist is going to take over pain Managment for the time being he mentioned methadone but also doesn't want to make any big changes right now,so he gave him enough ER and IR to last till Tuesday for the surgery/biopsies and will go forward from there. Then we get kind of locked into this oncologist but so far he seems good. He's well known but we hadn't totally decided who to work with yet. This is going to be a long road. He tried to leave the hospital a couple times, wouldn't see the rheumatologist trying to assess the pain syndrome,etc etc. Stressful. Regardless I so appreciate your input and help before.

Re stool softener he takes miralax as much as he takes the oxys. He smokes weed sometimes and he actually is starting to work with a herbalist famous for his work with herbs and cancer and just wrote a book about cancer and cannabis and how it can heal cancer. But I think it's more of the hemp oil he advocates, not sure yet. Thank you for sharing your late husbands journey UpInFlames it seems to resonate and Namco you are a lifesaver!!

 

[Felonious Monk]

Don't bother with anything hemp oil, you're husband is too sick, it's a waste of money.

He needs whole plant cannabis. If you can, get Rick Simpson Oil--it's an orally active oil that he wouldn't have to smoke, just swallow the oil like a pill. If you google you'll find lots of info on it, that's what people credit with curing their cancer.

And no pain is too great for cannabis. A friend of mine was on PM for 12 years, over 600mg of oxycodone a day at the end, due to a motorcycle accident. He's now oxy-free thanks to cannabis oil (RSO and BHO).

 

[Jagger15]

Thanks will look into it!

 

[VMC75088over]

if you go to a local methadone clinic you can probably get a somewhat high dosage but it would be a daily thing and he would have to attend for at least 3-6 months before getting any take home doses.

I went through chemo; there is no pain there. its not easy, and you surly will be sick to your stomach and feel completely burnt out at times, but there is surly no pain to worry about.

keep calling different pain clinics and tell your story.. it may take a bit but you MIGHT find someone - its not going to be easy.

does his current doctor know what is happening? was withdrawals mentioned to the Dr!? if he is taking his actual daily dosage and at the correct times, I am surprised he is going thorough WD's.

Boston,

You are a good guy I hope to follow your lead at some point. I need to get off the merry go round and try the subs but worry it won't work for me.

Jagger,

what a good wife I can only imagine your stress. Remember to find time to take care of yourself and do things that get you away from all you are dealing with each day. I wish I had an answer for you my wife has been taking care of me for years and is a saint. I have back problems and other physical issues but it's not about the pain anymore it's about feeding my addiction and making sure I can work every day seven days a week, we would be screwed if I could not work. I plan to get the care I need to hopefully fix my biggest physical issue this coming year. Then it's going to get tough when faced with my addiction and getting cleaned up. I doubt I will make it I just need to be sure she is/will be taken care of before I start down the road.

Best wishes

Ron

 

[cassandra7946]

Hi!
Please help with some advice or insight. My husband, 49, is addicted to prescribed oxycodone IR. He has herniated discs, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis. He has been on it since 2009. He got diagnosed a month ago with tonsil cancer. It's serious. He is bedridden due to what I think is the oxy cycle. He has pain constantly at a 7/10 even on the oxy, 100 mg per day. He is in bed all the time, and if not has constipation,diarrhea, anxiety, depression. He's up for a day and all night then sleeps for 2 days. Everything revolves around a bowel movement. He eats one meal then skips 8 of them. It seems he is in withdrawal a lot and dr will not give more. The pharmacy is giving a hard time about filling the script. The biggest problem is he needs to get treated for this cancer, and I can hardly get him to any appointment, he is missing appointments, it's been almost 8 weeks and no treatment. We've been to two famous hospitals and they want to treat him for cancer but can't give him pain meds because pain isn't from cancer. No pain mgmt dr wants him because dose is too high. He says he can't detox now he can't be in any more pain. And the cancer treatment will be painful - radiation, maybe chemo. I think his pain is from unhealed PTSD that has manifested physically but at this point it doesn't matter. He needs detox/rehab and we had him going into a chronic pain rehab center but now they can't take him because he has cancer. I don't know what to do. He was already on suboxone prior to this. Methadone? He tried OxyContin er but it's not covered by insurance and he doesn't like it, moods seem extreme and worse. Are there places that treat cancer and addiction inpatient at once? He hasn't worked for years.

PROFANITY WARNING:

Mam, your post really f*cking pisses me off! It makes me so angry that I have to use profane language while I respond to you, I'm sorry in advance.

Your poor f*cking husband.

He has every f*cking right to be prescribed high doses of opiates. It should be a human right. Do you know who is causing his pain and suffering? Anti-Opiate propagandists. The DEA. Idiot doctors. Brainwashed population. A**holes!

My father had throat cancer years ago and he was prescribed opiates, including fentynal patches. How the f*ck do your husband's "doctors" know his pain isn't from his cancer? Herniated discs, fibromyagia, arthritis…..Your husband SHOULD be on opiates. There is no reason he should be suffering like he is, its f*cking bullish*t.

I had recently posted here on Bluelight about how opiates cured my depression. Yes, opiates cure depression, anxiety PTSD along with chronic pain.

But holy sh*t. My problems are nowhere near your husband's. It blows my mind that he actually has such severe physical problems and his evil, selfish (scared of DEA) a**hole doctors won't prescribe him opiates.

I feel really sorry for him and you. This website is one you should send to your husband's sh*thead doctors:

http://www.understandingpain.com

Why was he prescribed Suboxone and Methadone when he is a cancer patient with other physical disabilities that cause chronic pain!? Who's idea was this?

What state do you live in?

I know this is horrid to say, but your husband is in a horrid situation: Have you ever gotten him something off a drug dealer?

My best regards,

Cassandra

 

[Jagger15]

Hi Cassandra! Thanks for your thoughts and frustration on his behalf. Not sure if you read earlier posts but he actually takes IR 600 mg per day and is likely abusing it making him go into withdrawal and not be able to make appts. The pharm and dr can't give him more because the dose is high and dangerous to lungs/respiratory. The dr has been trying to get him to switch to ER for a while. His cancer isn't causing any pain yet, it's in his tonsil and neck lymph node and isn't painful. It's the years of untreated herniated discs the arthritis that are the pain source, we think. Anyway I think his oncologist is going to take over pain Managment for the time being which is a short term bandaid which might get him through cancer treatments, we will see! Thanks for the link!!

 

[cassandra7946]

I wish you both the best of luck! I can' t even imagine what he is going through. You are so full of love to be by his side like this!

 

[Jagger15]

Hi Ron!
thanks and best of luck in your recovery. Do you know about Johns Hopkins chronic pain program? It's a 2 mo program that is covered by Medicare and maybe other insurance that is about learning to manage and live with chronic pain. They do detox you but then do tons of other therapies to find what is best to help to manage chronic pain.
Thanks for your kind words and help.

 

[VMC75088over]

Hi Ron!
thanks and best of luck in your recovery. Do you know about Johns Hopkins chronic pain program? It's a 2 mo program that is covered by Medicare and maybe other insurance that is about learning to manage and live with chronic pain. They do detox you but then do tons of other therapies to find what is best to help to manage chronic pain.
Thanks for your kind words and help.

Thanks I will be looking at everything when I get to that point sometime next year. I don't stand a chance otherwise.

Ron

 

[Mf_Mayhem]

I would definitely try Suboxone, it is MUCH easier to come off of than methadone. Methadone withdrawals are worse than heroin withdrawals btw. I'm not sure where you live but you see more and more advocates jumping on board with the whole "marijuana should replace pain pills" epidemic. Marijuana does have a great pain relief factor, it's not physically addictive, you can't die on it, raises appetite, etc etc etc the list goes on. I think in combo with the Suboxone and marijuana, he could really benefit from the pain relief without compromising too many risks. Then when he's good and ready, he can taper off the suboxone. Best wishes to you and your husband, it's not an easy road!

Also, I would look into some support groups for the both of you. It can do a world of good to talk with someone who has been through your shoes. I really hope the best for you two.

 

[crzydiamond]

^^ methadone wd is worse than heroin wd *if one quit both cold turkey* and compared them. I have, and while heroin wd is more intense, methadone wd just never seems to end. 32 days it took to subside

However, I have also come off methadone properly, by tapering over a 9-10 month period. I assure you, it was almost unnoticeable. I came down 3 mg a week, stopped when I felt like I needed to let my body adjust (around 20 mg), then did one mg down per week from 20....I did have to stop at 4 mg for a few weeks and let my body sort of reset itself. But really, done properly, methadone tapering is pretty painless. It gets its bad rep from people who quit at high doses or get kicked out of clinics on 7 day tapers and such

Just felt the need to provide accurate info about this. Been there; done that; sharing my experience. I would hate to see someone not benefit from methadone due to fear of eventually getting off