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i really, i know this sounds almost too utopical but never had so much compound that express so much in so less.. i really had also last night 2cb and mdma in combo in end of night that great up candyflip as u know but then this magical wizard bbrought me this diamond "maybe you want to try this, u know"
" and this was me the kid "hm a new blotter" and then come to notice the "The Originals". God-like blow my mind away... ..
 
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I love the hofmann print itself, think it's an awesome blotter art, can't wait to see what they are like although it's always a bit of a hit and miss.
 
thats the psychedelic shivas new blotters going around, sorry to disappoint it aint true LSD!

then what substance is it? From what I was able to deduct is that both prints would be around 70-100ug, but I'd LOVE some confirmation on the dosage on both prints.
 
fly- : sounds like you just had a really good trip on clean acid.

There has been plenty of batches of high purity LSD-25 circulating europe in the last few years. Swiss Bliss standing out amongst the rest. (Alex Grey anniversary Hoffmans-2006, red star microdots-2009).

Its all LSD-25 (well, most of it). Just varying levels of purity & thus with varying levels of iso-LSD & lumi-LSD (both of which are inactive AFAIK).

IMO, a perfect set & setting adds so many blissful aspects to a trip that it can sometimes be mistaken for better acid or "true" acid!

:)
 
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Got some Male and Female avatars today, the male hits are more consistent in size and do look just slightly slightly bigger imo! EDIT: No they aren't bigger, the size of the print is though. My bad lol!

Only ever tried acid once and it was half a female avatar. Will sample a full male avatar next, don't know when though, when the opportunity arises and I feel ready :).

i got ten of the male avatars myself but they arent consistent in size they look very different in size some are bigger and some are smaller. What is the dose of these male ones are they much different as the normal ones without the yellow border that are supposed to be 180ug
 
The cartoon shivas are quite strong. I've read that there 150 ug and I would agree with that. From my experience as well as a couple of my friends, there is something about these doses that feels off. They are a beautifuly colorful and euphoric trip, but also an extremely confusing, fuzzyheaded mindfuckery of a trip. After eating too many of these badboys I feel fried for the next couple weeks. I dunno something tells me these contain that lsd anologue that everyones been talking about lately. Plus, i dont know why they would add that soapy fruitloop taste on the blotter if they wernt trying to hide some kind of chemical taste. That being said there still badass tabs and youll have a good time on em.

did you notice a long onset with them at all mate? They do seem abit strange but the taste can easily be put down to the ink used, just like the alex grey ganesh.

your completely right with these shivas mate me and my girlfriend took them but didnt feel nothing for nearly 3 hours just lingering then when its hit us were just confused and head fucked but still good!

I noticed that too. The peak seems to come on later on these, but once it does its the most confusing thing ever haha. I found the comedown to be pretty jittery too

defo something not right anyways. Do you think it is lsd? it feels like it in ways but something dodgy and not clean about at all and this was from 2 tabs each for me an my wifey

Its not that i do not believe the shivas are acid, but i think it must have some dirty xtal on this batch or something because the things feel totally unclean. Backache , stomach in knots, intensely confusing headfuck, and a rough jittery comedown. Nothing like the stuff i was getting prior to these.

Def. lsd in the shiva's It ain't swiss crystal thats for sure but their lsd-25 probaly a lower grade crystal is all beats the twins at 80-90 ug at the price 15 to trip come on now!

i always thought the ganeshs were a pretty dirty hit compared to any other acid id taken and the bitter taste dosent help either tho apparently its just the ink, i didnt think the avatars were too bad tho, none felt as clean as some liquid i had a while ago or some geisha girls which were both noticeably different and felt so much nicer

i think half of the problem is confusion between what things are called. the first shiva print i saw was last summer (so probably from 2009) and they were called "red shivas" they were red/purple/blue and had a picture of shiva on them. i only had 2 (ate 1.4) and they were BOMB! then i got "blue shivas" which i think should actually be called ganesha's. they have the alex grey art on one side "Nature of Mind" http://us2.ixquick-proxy.com/do/sho...w.galway.iol.ie/~taeger/alexgrey/alexmind.gif

and ganesha (elephant) in black on a white background on the other side.

am i right that these should be called ganeshas?

i had 1 of these +1 an hour later and it was quite tame. i have three left but i'm getting sketched to eat them after reading all this shit.


are you guys talking about the shivas with the yellow background when you say "shivas" and "cartoon shivas?"


and just to complete my opinions...i thought the 2010 hoffmans were very bitter and sorta weak. 3 was a great trip though.

and the red star dots are very nice - although short lasting and i kinda got that "dirty" feel from them. nothing too bad, just some jaw tension and back tightness from 2

so guys im not really up on what names look like which? i have searched google and erowid but too no avail :(

I have some tabs that have a picture of an eye on them. its like a dark black ink used and a purple background, not sure on strength quality or anything too be honest does anyone know what they are called and if they have had them before? sorry i havnt been clearer <3

if you're lucky these are "egyptian hieroglyphics" or "egyptian eyes" or something. heard they were SUPER strong! super duper crazy strong
 
I've been a lurker on bluelight.ru for a long time, after reading this thread I do however feel the need to interject my own view :)

I see a lot discussion of purity in this thread and talk about analogues. Personally I don't believe in the whole purity effect, I think most of it can be ascribed to set and setting and expectations. Compounds such as iso-LSD and lumi-LSD have been shown to be not psychoactive at low dosages. The chances of other adulterants being present and being active at such low ranges just don't seem plausible too me especially if you read some of the LSD analysis articles on Erowid. One of the articles reported based on large sample testing in earlier years that for the most part there are no adulterants present. There have however ever been a few exceptions but these are rare occurrences and contained another substance all together. It's also less likely for an adulterant to be present on a blotter as opposed to a microdot for example.

The whole body load difference is another aspect that I read a lot about. One of the things that comes to mind is expectations and set and setting. Also a lot of people report body load based on a selective or single experience. In order for something like this to be attributed to a batch of blotters multiple people would have to be affected with similar body loads and it has to be consistent across multiple sessions of dosing. If you experience a bad body load once or twice using a certain blotter batch I would hardly think this is a basis for attributing it to the LSD, I would be more inclined to look at other factors as the cause. In statistics they have a nice quote that seems to fit this in my opinion "Correlation does not imply causation". Human nature seems to prefer that correlation does imply causation for the most part hehe =D

From personal experience I've had aches and pains on occasion using certain blotters, however when dosing a few weeks later using the same batch of blotters I experience a perfectly "clean" trip without this body load. This is in part for me the basis on which I believe that body load is affected by factors other than the LSD.

In regards to the analogues discussion, on another forum I'm on a person contacted the Dutch drug testing service and was provided with results for 2011. Of the 37 samples they received all where tested positive as LSD with the dosage being between 10 and 150 ug on average. They also reported the current LSD market in the Netherlands as being rather stable. In regards to the testing produces the following was reported on Erowid: "The Dutch lab reports that they use HPLC for their quantification and occasionally use GC/MS to verify results." On average it takes between 2-4 weeks for them to process a single blotter and report the microgram dosage.

In summary my believes are LSD = LSD no matter the difference in purity. This statement seems to be in part corroborated by the lucky few who had the chance to try some original Sandoz LSD that had been stored for years on Hoffman's 100th birthday celebration. I understand that many people don't share my view and that this might be something that'll be discussed for ages too come. It's a shame that proper scientific studies of LSD is almost out of the question in current day and age.

Based on another thread on the forum where people posted print + reported test results I can tell you these 2011 results include the Ganesha/Alex Grey print which was reportedly tested at 50ug (description even matched in regards to taste), some other users reported Avatar prints (only yellow border at the bottom, female) which had been tested at 150ug. In regards to blotters this does not take into account different batches. Unfortunately these are the only two blotters I can report with almost 100% certainty.

The Shiva/Buddha/Buddha Palm blotter exhibits the same taste as the Ganesha/Alex Grey print. This makes me believe they are from the same producer. I've had both prints and the batches I've had of Ganesha and Shiva/Buddha makes me suspect they're 50ug as well even though they're advertised at two different strengths. This is speculation on my part though and based on my subjective experience with multiple trips on both since to my knowledge nobody has posted the test results for the Shiva/Buddha print yet.
 
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i usually figure that stuff is exaggerated, but i would peg the shivas (at least the red ones) a bit higher than 50 ug. my brother tripped real good (1st trip ever though) from half of one. and i tripped real hard from 1.5
maybe 75 ug of LSD will do that?
the shivas were said to be 250 ug, then 150 ug. i'd believe 80-100 ug.
 
I don't know if people take the time to read trip reports from the likes of Hoffman & Grof, to name but two, if they did they would be treated to accurate dosage information and the level of effect likely to be obtained from such dosages. Obviously you can contrast & compare experiences your own experiences with theirs. I think it unlikely that people eating a couple of hundred ug of LSD are going to get minor or even average effects unless a strong tolerance is present.
It's the only way that I can see of being able to guesstimate dosages and isn't ideal but simply believing that blotter is 200ug because one hit was tested by a lab is no real basis for "knowing" the strength.
 
^ Definately. I take all dose guesstimates which a huge tablespoon of salt & just make my own guesstimate when I try them.
On the rare occasion you might come accross a high dose 200ug blotter you fucking know all about it!

Dith said:
Personally I don't believe in the whole purity effect, I think most of it can be ascribed to set and setting and expectations.

Agreed that set & setting & expectations play a huge factor in people's opinion on the "quality" of the LSD they take.
However purity of crystal does vary. Going on past experiences with various batches of both "dirty" & "clean" acid, I'd say crystal purity in europe varies from 60% - 95%.
 
I've given up with guessing doses these days. I just tend to compare with people by what blotter they have eaten, for example if they have eaten a Ganesha before I'd say an Avatar can be on par with about 3-4 of them, this makes things a lot clearer as opposed to saying 'oh yeah supposedly these are 170ug'. Plus over here, the blotter that makes it into circulation is really the only blotter that gets about, there isn't exactly much to choose from so most people know what trips your talking about - again making it even easier.
 
^ Definately. I take all dose guesstimates which a huge tablespoon of salt & just make my own guesstimate when I try them.
On the rare occasion you might come accross a high dose 200ug blotter you fucking know all about it!

Agreed that set & setting & expectations play a huge factor in people's opinion on the "quality" of the LSD they take.
However purity of crystal does vary. Going on past experiences with various batches of both "dirty" & "clean" acid, I'd say crystal purity in europe varies from 60% - 95%.
I don't dispute that crystal purity does vary :) I dispute the reported effects of this so called "dirty" and "clean" acid thats what I meant with "purity effect". Impurity is usually a result inactive compounds such as iso-LSD and lumi-LSD for example or perhaps other compounds left over due to improper chromatography procedures or lack thereof. So in my opinion these so called "dirty" and "clean" effects are not in large part due to left-over compounds but expectations and set and setting.

One of the LSD analysis articles on Erowid reported the seized crystal purity of several samples and they averaged around 65% with some samples seized being as high as 95% in purity. This was years ago, I'd like to be optimistic and hope that his average is on par or higher in current days =D But that's me being hopeful.

I think it's great they provide a testing service in the Netherlands. Now if they would only publish a newsletter similar to the DEA's bulletins in which they listed print and test results :D
Not that it would provide us with any definite answers in regards to dosage but it would atleast give us a glimpse of what's out there.

I don't know if people take the time to read trip reports from the likes of Hoffman & Grof, to name but two, if they did they would be treated to accurate dosage information and the level of effect likely to be obtained from such dosages. Obviously you can contrast & compare experiences your own experiences with theirs. I think it unlikely that people eating a couple of hundred ug of LSD are going to get minor or even average effects unless a strong tolerance is present.
It's the only way that I can see of being able to guesstimate dosages and isn't ideal but simply believing that blotter is 200ug because one hit was tested by a lab is no real basis for "knowing" the strength.
Your right that 1 result obtained from a single blotter and print does not mean much. However If you buy a batch of blotters you can have 1 or 2 tested and have an indication of the batch dosage. At least thats how a lot of Dutch people do it :)
You know what would be cool if trip reports started to include a measurement of consciousness.
Quantifying altered states of consciousness was problematic in the early years of hallucinogen research. Today, however, there are validated instruments for assessing various aspects of consciousness. According to Dittrich, hallucinogen-induced altered states of consciousness can be reliably measured by the five-dimensional altered states of consciousness (5DASC) rating scale.
Example illustrated on page 3: http://www.scribd.com/doc/36390920/The-Neurobiology-of-Psychedelic-Drugs-Vollenweider
 
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I was given 6 tabs at the weekend.

Not tried them yet.

Look "homemade", blotter unscored, and divided in doses by ruled lines, can't tell if they drawn on or printed lines. Lines are differing thicknesses slightly so would have been drawn on first sheet then photocopied maybe, I dunno.

Seem quite thick for blotter too, card more than blotter.

Paper is a slightly grey grubby yellowy sepia colour, back is slightly stained, same colour but more reddish hue.

Was given them by a friend who has good experience with acid, and who knows that I also have done a lot of acid, and was told to just go for half a one first time to gauge it a bit, he said they are "very strong". Told me they go for 3 for a tenner.

Anyone else seen similar recently? I'm guessing they might be a localish thing.
 
i usually figure that stuff is exaggerated, but i would peg the shivas (at least the red ones) a bit higher than 50 ug. my brother tripped real good (1st trip ever though) from half of one. and i tripped real hard from 1.5
maybe 75 ug of LSD will do that?
the shivas were said to be 250 ug, then 150 ug. i'd believe 80-100 ug.

i would say myself that the shivas i had were probz only around 100ug although people are saying they are 150ug, and yeah the nature of mind tabs are ganeshes there were loads of them in circuation a while back. The cartoon shivas are the ones i had and i posted a pic up a few pages back on this thread of them check it out
 
i usually figure that stuff is exaggerated, but i would peg the shivas (at least the red ones) a bit higher than 50 ug. my brother tripped real good (1st trip ever though) from half of one. and i tripped real hard from 1.5
maybe 75 ug of LSD will do that?
the shivas were said to be 250 ug, then 150 ug. i'd believe 80-100 ug.

i would say myself that the shivas i had were probz only around 100ug although people are saying they are 150ug, and yeah the nature of mind tabs are ganeshes there were loads of them in circuation a while back. The cartoon shivas are the ones i had and i posted a pic up a few pages back on this thread of them check it out
 
i went back to page 16 and could NOT find the "cartoon shiva" print.


I was given 6 tabs at the weekend.

Not tried them yet.

Look "homemade", blotter unscored, and divided in doses by ruled lines, can't tell if they drawn on or printed lines. Lines are differing thicknesses slightly so would have been drawn on first sheet then photocopied maybe, I dunno.

Seem quite thick for blotter too, card more than blotter.

Paper is a slightly grey grubby yellowy sepia colour, back is slightly stained, same colour but more reddish hue.

Was given them by a friend who has good experience with acid, and who knows that I also have done a lot of acid, and was told to just go for half a one first time to gauge it a bit, he said they are "very strong". Told me they go for 3 for a tenner.

Anyone else seen similar recently? I'm guessing they might be a localish thing.

what's 3 for a tenner mean? i'm american, can't understand your batty lingo :)

sounds like some good shit you got.
 
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