Hello and an MDPV Question

[stuffmonger]

This whole entire thread is utter bullshit.

You (and me) have all been duped by this idiot who has used about 10 different accounts to make people go through retarded undlesses time consuming loops, and when we fail, theres about 100 different factors that could of been the culprit.

This thread should have been closed a long time ago... a similar type bullshit occurred on drugs-forum.com about making smokable opium using dried ebay poppy pods.

Its bullshit folks.

Noticed how 95% of everyone who got this to work has less than 20 posts...

You yourself have less than 20 posts.

The moderators could very quickly check to see if I have multiple accounts. It's a simple thing to do.

 

[stuffmonger]

The oxidation was carried out in an aqueous solution at alkaline pH, so I believe I'm not "oxidizing the HCl". I don't know whether I've created the Zamzams stuff, Gordon Ramsay's stuff or something altogether different. I don't even know what I've created, but at the very least I've got a clue.

Assuming that the reaction occurs in an aqueous medium, it's not really correct to refer to the substrate as hydrochloride or freebase. At low pH your substrate in this case is an ammonium ion, whereas at high pH it's an amine. Chloride anions are present in the solution in both cases and they normally don't make any difference.

What about the sodium in the bicarb? Any chance of a reaction with pv?

 

[Vantranist]

You yourself have less than 20 posts.

The moderators could very quickly check to see if I have multiple accounts. It's a simple thing to do.

They already have once...

I have less than 20 posts, but a ton of reputation on other boards under the same name... Besides my account was created years ago.

Ur a pretty smart mother fucker... Ill hand you that.

and most of your images are clearly photoshopped, can't believe i am the first one to point that out.

The semam smell you all are smelling is the MDPV, as you heat it up it begins to vaporize and you smell it.
Notice how after a couple of hours trying to get this "Eggyolk" you smell it less and less. Basically what you are doing is slowing vaporizing all the MDPV off into thin air.

I have never tried the old school tan MDPV, but i have tried recent batches of white and tanish mdpv. The tan is different no doubt, even today, i know plenty of vendors that sell white (fluffy) MDPV, and many that sell the tan type, they are different.

 

[stuffmonger]

and most of your images are clearly photoshopped, can't believe i am the first one to point that out.

None of the images are photoshopped. Any good computer techie here could check them (they're all jpegs) for artifacts. They won't find any. They are straight from the camera to this board.

As I've said twice before in the thread, my identity and particulars, my background, my job and my lab info have all been divulged to both a moderator and a senior moderator on this board, in a fashion that was verifiable. Everything I've said is legitimate. You may keep whatever opinion you choose.

 

[stuffmonger]

A couple of hints...

m/z 126 is the butylpyrrolidinium ion characteristic of pyrovalerones.
m/z 127 is methylenedioxyphenyl +6 Da. Of course, 127 is also the isotope peak of 126, but it's abundance is too high. MDPV has 121 instead of 127.
m/z 155 is methylenedioxybenzenecarbonyl + 6 Da. MDPV has 149 instead of 155.
m/z 238 results form the loss of a propyl radical from the molecular ion at 281. The propyl loss is characteristic of pyrovalerones. MDPV has 232 resulting from the loss of a propyl radical from the molecular ion at 275.
m/z 84 is a methylenepyrrolidinium ion arising from a propyl loss from m/z 126. I didn't show its ion trace because it was displayed in yellow and didn't print well.

Once again, this might be the Tan Stuff. It might just as well be something entirely different.

The hints don't help. Could you tell us what it is? You've told us it's not pv, which some of us knew already from ingesting, but I'm really curious as to its makeup.

 

[Rusted Chains]

and most of your images are clearly photoshopped, can't believe i am the first one to point that out.

I never thought they were photoshopped. I thought it a little suspicious that the first two people to try this out had countertops very very similar to Scruffmongers. Look at the pictures in the posts from bigbluemnm and truthwalker. Hmmm.

You may have revealed your identity in a verifiable way, and keep repeating this fact....but that don't make a fuck, as they say. What matters is...are others able to duplicate your results. Until it is replicated by credible BL'ers, all we have is an entertaining story ala Fleischmann/Pons and their cold fusion hoax. Also, isn't it ridiculous that there is only one experience report other than SM's stories? SDBF's story was not even close to being believeable. He had to create a "fictitious" BL alter ego to tell the story because he was too well known under his "real" BL name. Come on. Doesn't that violate the terms for using this forum? Just sayin.

 

[Alcyone]

What about the sodium in the bicarb? Any chance of a reaction with pv?

No, not really.

The hints don't help. Could you tell us what it is?

I'd tell you if I knew. Contrary to popular belief, a GC-MS doesn't magically give you the structure of a completely unknown substance. Of course there are spectral libraries covering hundreds of thousands of known substances, but this one is not entered in the NIST, PMW-TOX or Wiley libraries. I've checked.

I'll try to run som more experiments, GC-MS with derivatization and maybe an NMR. I don't have this sort of equipment at home, so I need to borrow access to an analytical lab, preferably without getting my arse fired, which can be a tricky thing to do with all the current QA/QC regulations.

I believe my substance might look something like this:

Again, I don't know if the substance I've produced is the same as the stuffmonger stuff or the zamzams stuff. I will call mine the Gordon Ramsay stuff, in honour of a great chemist. I have no idea whether it's active, quite frankly I don't care, except from an academic point of view. I'm open to the possibility that this whole thread is a great big hoax, but I find it quite amusing and I hope it won't be closed just yet.

As for ingesting unknown substances, it's an incredibly stupid idea. Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Stuffmonger, please feel free to pm me if you would like me to test your product. I can't promise an identification of its active constituent(s) - with complete unknowns it's not as easy as people might think - but I could post the mass spectrum here for the experts to discuss. If you're serious about going commercial, I think I could help you get in touch with the right people. I work in the pharmaceutical industry and I've got some contacts. However, I believe you're not quite ready for that yet, and I'm afraid you won't get very far without a structure and preferably a patent.

 

[Transform]

I'll try to run some more experiments, GC-MS with derivatization and maybe an NMR. I don't have this sort of equipment at home, so I need to borrow access to an analytical lab, preferably without getting my arse fired, which can be a tricky thing to do with all the current QA/QC regulations.

Bear in mind that there is a good chance that the end product is illegal in the uk. Be careful.

 

[stuffmonger]

I never thought they were photoshopped. I thought it a little suspicious that the first two people to try this out had countertops very very similar to Scruffmongers. Look at the pictures in the posts from bigbluemnm and truthwalker. Hmmm.

You may have revealed your identity in a verifiable way, and keep repeating this fact....but that don't make a fuck, as they say. What matters is...are others able to duplicate your results. Until it is replicated by credible BL'ers, all we have is an entertaining story ala Fleischmann/Pons and their cold fusion hoax. Also, isn't it ridiculous that there is only one experience report other than SM's stories? SDBF's story was not even close to being believeable. He had to create a "fictitious" BL alter ego to tell the story because he was too well known under his "real" BL name. Come on. Doesn't that violate the terms for using this forum? Just sayin.

If you mean they were both made of wood then they are indeed similar. Any idiot who knows wood though, will notice that mine are mahogany and Truthwalker's are oak. I live in Central America. We don't have Oak down here.

In any case, Truthwalker lives in a country many thousands of miles from me. The moderators can verify this in a minute or less if they are interested.

 

[stuffmonger]

No, not really.

I'd tell you if I knew. Contrary to popular belief, a GC-MS doesn't magically give you the structure of a completely unknown substance. Of course there are spectral libraries covering hundreds of thousands of known substances, but this one is not entered in the NIST, PMW-TOX or Wiley libraries. I've checked.

I'll try to run som more experiments, GC-MS with derivatization and maybe an NMR. I don't have this sort of equipment at home, so I need to borrow access to an analytical lab, preferably without getting my arse fired, which can be a tricky thing to do with all the current QA/QC regulations.

I believe my substance might look something like this:

Again, I don't know if the substance I've produced is the same as the stuffmonger stuff or the zamzams stuff. I will call mine the Gordon Ramsay stuff, in honour of a great chemist. I have no idea whether it's active, quite frankly I don't care, except from an academic point of view. I'm open to the possibility that this whole thread is a great big hoax, but I find it quite amusing and I hope it won't be closed just yet.

As for ingesting unknown substances, it's an incredibly stupid idea. Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Stuffmonger, please feel free to pm me if you would like me to test your product. I can't promise an identification of its active constituent(s) - with complete unknowns it's not as easy as people might think - but I could post the mass spectrum here for the experts to discuss. If you're serious about going commercial, I think I could help you get in touch with the right people. I work in the pharmaceutical industry and I've got some contacts. However, I believe you're not quite ready for that yet, and I'm afraid you won't get very far without a structure and preferably a patent.

God bless you my friend. I will PM you.

As to the possibility of the entire thread being a hoax, a part of the thread was about oxidizing pv. We did it and tried it and found it psychoactive. You did it and chemically found a different substance. Surely that part cannot be a hoax.

 

[Alcyone]

Bear in mind that there is a good chance that the end product is illegal in the uk. Be careful.

Thank you, I'm well aware of that, and for this reason I'm being very, very careful!

Surprisingly, it seems that my substance is not a cathinone and hence is not covered by the cathinone catch-all, but of course my precursor is. Without going into detail, the lab I'm using is certified for this type of work, and technically the only rule I'm breaking is using company equipment for private work. Which is bad enough in itself, really.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I thought it a little suspicious that the first two people to try this out had countertops very very similar to Scruffmongers. Look at the pictures in the posts from bigbluemnm and truthwalker. Hmmm.

Absolutely spot on. Hats off to you Rusted.

I don't know exactly what's going on here but this thread is obviously not 100% straight.

Too many people here thinking with their heart (desires) rather than their head (logic). I want sexy pv as much as anyone. But I won't lose my brain over it.

Too many obvious multiple accounts have tainted any credibility Stuffmonger might have. Even if he somehow is for real - I don't give a shit. His pv is tainted.

I can't be arsed working out this intricately weaved web. But I will say I'm fairly pissed off with the abuse the doubters have been made to suffer. And just because someone goes too far and starts coming up with photoshop conspiracies it doesn't make other real doubts invalid.

SDBF's story was not even close to being believeable. He had to create a "fictitious" BL alter ego to tell the story because he was too well known under his "real" BL name. Come on.

100% correct. He also made big noises about not being a greenlighter on his former, well-known, account. Well, via a 3rd party I checked that account. It has about 60 posts - hardly enough to be well-known and only just enough to be a BL'er.

And they all disappear don't they?

Wake up and check the post counts people. It's easy enough to do.

What do you get if you mix MDPV with OCD?

NSFW:

This thread.

 

[Alcyone]

We did it and tried it and found it psychoactive. You did it and chemically found a different substance.

Although I would certainly describe my reaction conditions as oxidative, the possible structure that I showed is not an oxidation product of MDPV. It's actually a reduction product. That's one of the things which don't add up from a scientific perspective.

I've considered the possibility that an oxidation product is what is really formed, but that it loses water in the GC injector and appears as the shown structure. Such GC artifacts are relatively common, but in this case I don't find it very likely to have happened.

 

[specialspack]

Thank you, I'm well aware of that, and for this reason I'm being very, very careful!

Surprisingly, it seems that my substance is not a cathinone and hence is not covered by the cathinone catch-all, but of course my precursor is. Without going into detail, the lab I'm using is certified for this type of work, and technically the only rule I'm breaking is using company equipment for private work. Which is bad enough in itself, really.

When you say "your substance" do mean the molecule you just posted, or is what you posted the precursor?

It seems that the molecule you drew is certainly "structurally derived" from cathinone, as specified by the catch all clause in the law.

Really though Acylone, you're going above and beyond here. Well done.

I agree that there is plenty of weirdness about this thread, but at the end of the day all that matters if people can replicate the results. So far we've not seen that, but also I think we should be patient...

 

[Alcyone]

^ No, I meant my reaction product. The Gordon Ramsay stuff. The structure I posted is just an educated guess at what it looks like, based on the MS results. It could be totally wrong.

The precursor is actually MDPV HCl certified reference material. Not random crap from some dodgy RC vendor.

 

[spectrasonic]

No, not really.

I'd tell you if I knew. Contrary to popular belief, a GC-MS doesn't magically give you the structure of a completely unknown substance. Of course there are spectral libraries covering hundreds of thousands of known substances, but this one is not entered in the NIST, PMW-TOX or Wiley libraries. I've checked.

I'll try to run som more experiments, GC-MS with derivatization and maybe an NMR. I don't have this sort of equipment at home, so I need to borrow access to an analytical lab, preferably without getting my arse fired, which can be a tricky thing to do with all the current QA/QC regulations.

I believe my substance might look something like this:

Again, I don't know if the substance I've produced is the same as the stuffmonger stuff or the zamzams stuff. I will call mine the Gordon Ramsay stuff, in honour of a great chemist. I have no idea whether it's active, quite frankly I don't care, except from an academic point of view. I'm open to the possibility that this whole thread is a great big hoax, but I find it quite amusing and I hope it won't be closed just yet.

As for ingesting unknown substances, it's an incredibly stupid idea. Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Stuffmonger, please feel free to pm me if you would like me to test your product. I can't promise an identification of its active constituent(s) - with complete unknowns it's not as easy as people might think - but I could post the mass spectrum here for the experts to discuss. If you're serious about going commercial, I think I could help you get in touch with the right people. I work in the pharmaceutical industry and I've got some contacts. However, I believe you're not quite ready for that yet, and I'm afraid you won't get very far without a structure and preferably a patent.

Fascinatng stuff Alcyone. But I don't get it. I thought you said it had the methylenedioxy intact, and 6 added hydrogens?

 

[Alcyone]

^ Thanks, but I don't believe I've said that. I said this:

What I'm seeing is a substance with a molecular weight of 281 (that's 6 mass units more than MDPV), and the pyrrolidine and ketone functions are both intact. It appears that there are six hydrogens added to the benzodioxol moiety.

 

[SDBF]

I never thought they were photoshopped. I thought it a little suspicious that the first two people to try this out had countertops very very similar to Scruffmongers. Look at the pictures in the posts from bigbluemnm and truthwalker. Hmmm.

You may have revealed your identity in a verifiable way, and keep repeating this fact....but that don't make a fuck, as they say. What matters is...are others able to duplicate your results. Until it is replicated by credible BL'ers, all we have is an entertaining story ala Fleischmann/Pons and their cold fusion hoax. Also, isn't it ridiculous that there is only one experience report other than SM's stories? SDBF's story was not even close to being believeable. He had to create a "fictitious" BL alter ego to tell the story because he was too well known under his "real" BL name. Come on. Doesn't that violate the terms for using this forum? Just sayin.

Like I said idiot, Shambles knows who I am. Now fuck off.

 

[SDBF]

Absolutely spot on. Hats off to you Rusted.

I don't know exactly what's going on here but this thread is obviously not 100% straight.

Too many people here thinking with their heart (desires) rather than their head (logic). I want sexy pv as much as anyone. But I won't lose my brain over it.

Too many obvious multiple accounts have tainted any credibility Stuffmonger might have. Even if he somehow is for real - I don't give a shit. His pv is tainted.

I can't be arsed working out this intricately weaved web. But I will say I'm fairly pissed off with the abuse the doubters have been made to suffer. And just because someone goes too far and starts coming up with photoshop conspiracies it doesn't make other real doubts invalid.



100% correct. He also made big noises about not being a greenlighter on his former, well-known, account. Well, via a 3rd party I checked that account. It has about 60 posts - hardly enough to be well-known and only just enough to be a BL'er.

And they all disappear don't they?

Wake up and check the post counts people. It's easy enough to do.

What do you get if you mix MDPV with OCD?

NSFW:

This thread.

I don't post a lot on this board but have been a member since 2006, but am well known on other boards.

 

[sockpuppet]

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