Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

[Levvytation]

OH I forgot to ask... what is SWIM? Sorry I am new here..not up on the lingo yet...

LOL.

SWIM= Someone Who Isnt Me (not the done thing here, speak/type as yourself)

UTFSE= Use The Fucking Search Engine ...don't bother mate, no-one else does..

 

[oldhead]

You want an answer? Here's what all my reading from all over the web says: Your Fucked, Seriously.

The best you can do is grind the whole damn thing down and then parachute it. No one has found a way to make the medicine's delivery method ineffective enough to allow someone to snort, plug, or shoot it.

Have a nice day.

Your right. I too searched and spent stupid money on the OP to no avail. All good things must come to an end. Time for this old man to call it quits anyhow.

 

[drugssexandmusic]

What I have been doing is using a small electronic coffee bean grinder, works pretty well.

I am not the best in chemistry but couldn't you dissolve it in an Acid solution then neutralize the acid with a base and then mix with water, let it evaporate and be left with the active ingredient?

I also heard that Opana will be changed in a year to a similar tamper proof formula.

 

[neploon]

Equipment

* One hot plate or oil bath
* Two Pyrex boiling flasks at least 100ml per box used
* One Pyrex container at least 50ml per box used
* One separation funnel at least 100ml per box used (Or other method to siphon off liquid)
* Two 1000ml containers with lids
* One 1000ml graduated cylinder (Or other liquid measuring device in ml's)
* One 5ml medicine dropper
* One large funnel with Charmin filter
* Several coffee filters
* Coffee grinder
* Hot pads or kitchen mitts
* Wooden stirring spoon
* Small digital scale
* Safety goggles


Note:
Credit for developing the Charmin plug filter is given to the Geezmiester. See the thread https://www.wetdreams.ws/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1347
for more information.

Reagents

* Citric Acid - Also known as Sour Salt (Used in Kosher foods, home brewing and candy making)
* Distilled H2O
* Kosher Salt - Sodium Chloride (Non iodide)
* Sodium Carbonate – Also known as Washing Soda
* Sodium Hydroxide – Also known as lye
* Hexane - Also known as N-Hexanes or Mixed Hexanes (Found in electronic parts cleaner and some brake cleaners)
* White Vinegar - Grocery store variety
* VM&P Naphtha - Used as a paint thinner


Note:
Do not substitute for VM&P Naphtha. Shellite, white gas, petroleum ether and lighter fluid are NOT VM&P naphtha. VM&P Naphtha is a combination of aliphatics, xylenes and ethyl benzene and has an unmistakable smell of naphtha (moth balls). Some Oz Bees have reported the same success with Shellite but since I cannot verify this, I cannot guarantee it will work.

Possible Optional Reagents

* Anhydrous acetone
* Anhydrous magnesium sulfate or sodium carbonate


How does it work?

Credit should be given to Dwarfer for his long investment in researching polyampholytes and uncovering a method to render them ineffective.

Using white vinegar creates acetate ions that will confuse the hell out of the poly ampholytic polymeric amendments which constitute the principle component of most modern pill formulas. At either very high or very low pH, polyampholytes act like polyelectrolytes. By changing the PH slowly in a hot and ironically crowded environment, The poly-electrolytes assume a different electrical configuration.

Added salt ions can screen the repulsion between excess charges. With no added salt, the polyampholyte chain is stretched on its largest length scale by the repulsion between excess charges. As salt is added the length decreases and the repulsion between excess charges begins to be screened. This screening of charge repulsion decreases the chain size and eventually decreases down to the internal polyampholyte length due to the charged monomers. In simpler terms the polyampholytes can no longer hold onto the pseudo.

Citric Acid is added to drop the PH to 1.5 In addition Citric acid also gets its acidity because of carboxyl groups that are attached. This adds more confusion to the mix.

Preparation

Non-chlorinated brake cleaner is commonly a mixture of hexane and methanol or isopropyl alcohol. The hexane can bee separated by washing once with water, separating and then drying the extracted hexane over freshly dried sodium carbonate or magnesium sulfate.

Electronic parts cleaner is usually pure hexane and may bee used as is. If it is mixed with alcohol follow the same procedure as brake cleaner.

First we need to make our extraction brine The basic formula is:

* 100ml of white vinegar
* 35 grams of kosher salt
* 15 grams of citric acid


So to make about a liter we will place in one of the 1000ml containers with a lid the following:

* 800ml of white vinegar
* 280 grams of kosher salt
* 120 grams of citric acid


Shake shake shake for about 3 to 4 minutes. It will almost all dissolve but not quite. This is ok. We want it to be saturated at room temperature.

Note:
The brine is really corrosive, so avoid the use of metallic objects.

Next we need to make our basing solution. You'll need about 20ml per box used. This is made by filling a container half the way with crushed ice then adding an equal amount of sodium hydroxide. Stir until dissolved. Place in the refrigerator to cool.

Note:
If your pills contain Tripolidine Hydrochloride it is recommended you do a prewash in ice-cold anhydrous acetone, filter and dry.

Method

Powder the pills in a coffee grinder and place the powder into a clean boiling flask.

For every box of pills used add 50ml of the extraction brine to the pill mass and placed the flask on a hot plate. (An oil bath is preferred) Bring the mixture to a boil. Let it boil for at least 10 minutes.

Note:
This calculation was based on a box of pills used = 48 x 60. If you are doing 120's or 240's you may need to increase this to 75ml to 100ml per box to compensate for the additional filler.

Filter the mixture through a Charmin plug in the bottom of a large funnel into the other boiling flask. All the collected liquid should bee crystal clear.

Slowly add powdered sodium carbonate to the collected liquid in small portions. CO2 will be evolved so take your time so the liquid doesn't end up on the floor. Stop when the PH is 7 or CO2 is no longer produced.

Place the flask with the neutralized filtered liquid back onto the hotplate. Add approximately 1/2 of its volume of VM&P Naphtha. Heat until the brine layer just starts to boil (actually a simmer) then slowly start to add the basing solution a few mls at a time using the medicine dropper. You want to do this so the PH change is gradual. You will see the point where the freebase starts to be liberated. Continue to add basing solution. Stop when adding basing solution causes no more change in color or sediment. If you want to be sure the PH of the brine layer at the stopping point should be 11 or 12. Let this simmer for about 5 minutes.

WARNING:
Boiling a bi-layered liquid is dangerous. When one of the layers is flammable extreme caution must bee taken. It is not necessary to achieve a full boil. A good simmer approximately 90-95 degrees C will suffice. DO NOT underestimate the flammability of hot VM&P naphtha. An oil bath is strongly recommended. DO NOT add more than a few mls at a time of the basing solution. Disregarding this instruction may cause the brine layer to superheat and boil over. ALWAYS wear safety goggles and work in a well ventilated area. NEVER use anything other than Pyrex.

Separate or siphon off the naphtha layer into your third Pyrex container. Cover and placed the container in a freezer for about an hour and a half.

Take the naphtha out of the freezer and pour off the naphtha leaving as much of the freebase crystals behind as possible. Capture the lose crystals in a coffee filter and return them to the container. Then wash the freebase crystals in ICE COLD distilled water. Drain the water and freebase crystals into a clean coffee filter. Then pour a liberal amount of hexane through the recovered product. This will wash the water off and help dry the crystals very quickly.

 

[oxyosiris]

Feel sorry for you guys over the pond, must be a real pain in the arse trying to figure all this out, glad theirs smart folk out there!!

Luckily in the UK i've never heard of this formulation coming over here - saying so, oxy in the UK, as far as I know isn't as abused as other countries!!

I have a great stash of the OC 80 hidden away for a rainy day, as well as my usual fornightly amount of 56.

I have no doubt that a decent way of extraction/administration will be found in time to combat the new formulation they have come up with!

ah, just got my fortnightly amount....better get preparing

atb folks

 

[johanneschimpo]

Equipment

* One hot plate or oil bath
* Two Pyrex boiling flasks at least 100ml per box used
* One Pyrex container at least 50ml per box used
* One separation funnel at least 100ml per box used (Or other method to siphon off liquid)
* Two 1000ml containers with lids
* One 1000ml graduated cylinder (Or other liquid measuring device in ml's)
* One 5ml medicine dropper
* One large funnel with Charmin filter
* Several coffee filters
* Coffee grinder
* Hot pads or kitchen mitts
* Wooden stirring spoon
* Small digital scale
* Safety goggles

---snip---

Take the naphtha out of the freezer and pour off the naphtha leaving as much of the freebase crystals behind as possible. Capture the lose crystals in a coffee filter and return them to the container. Then wash the freebase crystals in ICE COLD distilled water. Drain the water and freebase crystals into a clean coffee filter. Then pour a liberal amount of hexane through the recovered product. This will wash the water off and help dry the crystals very quickly.

This method is for extracting psuedoephedrine from sudafed. I don't know why you'd expect it to work for something entirely different, especially since the abuse-proof measures in the OP OCs was created long after this tek was written.

 

[stray cat]

so has anyone tried neploon's suggested method yet (2 posts up)?? i'm no chemist, and if i had all that equipment and those materials, and the time to spend performing that type of procedure, i'd probably feel like a huge loser if i was trying to make er pills ir and not curing cancer or whatever, but maybe it will finally solve this for some people. report back i reckon... good luck

EDIT:: just read jc's post- i take it it's some type of step in making meth then and prob not effective for the purposes of this thread?

 

[ugly]

I hope the persons who transformed regular oxy into unsnortable oxy have many problems with it and that they suffer for this. It is totally not necessary. In America we are supposed to have personal freedom and I don't like having big corporations and big law telling us what we can have or do. It come down to other people having control over our lives. I don't think it is right and I am switching back to H.

 

[dokomo]

I hope the persons who transformed regular oxy into unsnortable oxy have many problems with it and that they suffer for this. It is totally not necessary. In America we are supposed to have personal freedom and I don't like having big corporations and big law telling us what we can have or do. It come down to other people having control over our lives. I don't think it is right and I am switching back to H.

That'll teach those evil corporations!!!!! /rage

 

[Cameo]

I really dont think it had anything to do with personal freedom, I think it had to do with it being abused, thats all.

 

[PillQueenSmartAss]

Any Canadians here know if this new formula is coming to Canada?

I bought an 80 just yesterday and it broke down normally, and had the usual imprints of 80/CDN. I live about 2 hours from Detroit. I haven't heard anything about the new ones coming here, but I also haven't asked anyone so...

Sorry dude, just an fyi...the CDN is the fake oxy's that were street made. If if doesn't say OC or OP it didn't come from Purdue. BTW...How was your high?

 

[dokomo]

Sorry dude, just an fyi...the CDN is the fake oxy's that were street made. If if doesn't say OC or OP it didn't come from Purdue. BTW...How was your high?

Incorrect. There were fakes made of these, but legit Canadian OxyContin says CDN as well.

 

[PillQueenSmartAss]

Incorrect. There were fakes made of these, but legit Canadian OxyContin says CDN as well.

Hence the CDN however this is the most common and widespread fake out right now so beware of what you are getting. How pist would you be to pay $65-120 for a fake ass high?

 

[80mg]

equipment

* one hot plate or oil bath
* two pyrex boiling flasks at least 100ml per box used
* one pyrex container at least 50ml per box used
* one separation funnel at least 100ml per box used (or other method to siphon off liquid)
* two 1000ml containers with lids
* one 1000ml graduated cylinder (or other liquid measuring device in ml's)
* one 5ml medicine dropper
* one large funnel with charmin filter
* several coffee filters
* coffee grinder
* hot pads or kitchen mitts
* wooden stirring spoon
* small digital scale
* safety goggles


note:
Credit for developing the charmin plug filter is given to the geezmiester. See the thread https://www.wetdreams.ws/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=1347
for more information.

Reagents

* citric acid - also known as sour salt (used in kosher foods, home brewing and candy making)
* distilled h2o
* kosher salt - sodium chloride (non iodide)
* sodium carbonate – also known as washing soda
* sodium hydroxide – also known as lye
* hexane - also known as n-hexanes or mixed hexanes (found in electronic parts cleaner and some brake cleaners)
* white vinegar - grocery store variety
* vm&p naphtha - used as a paint thinner


note:
Do not substitute for vm&p naphtha. Shellite, white gas, petroleum ether and lighter fluid are not vm&p naphtha. Vm&p naphtha is a combination of aliphatics, xylenes and ethyl benzene and has an unmistakable smell of naphtha (moth balls). Some oz bees have reported the same success with shellite but since i cannot verify this, i cannot guarantee it will work.

Possible optional reagents

* anhydrous acetone
* anhydrous magnesium sulfate or sodium carbonate


how does it work?

Credit should be given to dwarfer for his long investment in researching polyampholytes and uncovering a method to render them ineffective.

Using white vinegar creates acetate ions that will confuse the hell out of the poly ampholytic polymeric amendments which constitute the principle component of most modern pill formulas. At either very high or very low ph, polyampholytes act like polyelectrolytes. By changing the ph slowly in a hot and ironically crowded environment, the poly-electrolytes assume a different electrical configuration.

Added salt ions can screen the repulsion between excess charges. With no added salt, the polyampholyte chain is stretched on its largest length scale by the repulsion between excess charges. As salt is added the length decreases and the repulsion between excess charges begins to be screened. This screening of charge repulsion decreases the chain size and eventually decreases down to the internal polyampholyte length due to the charged monomers. In simpler terms the polyampholytes can no longer hold onto the pseudo.

Citric acid is added to drop the ph to 1.5 in addition citric acid also gets its acidity because of carboxyl groups that are attached. This adds more confusion to the mix.

Preparation

non-chlorinated brake cleaner is commonly a mixture of hexane and methanol or isopropyl alcohol. The hexane can bee separated by washing once with water, separating and then drying the extracted hexane over freshly dried sodium carbonate or magnesium sulfate.

Electronic parts cleaner is usually pure hexane and may bee used as is. If it is mixed with alcohol follow the same procedure as brake cleaner.

First we need to make our extraction brine the basic formula is:

* 100ml of white vinegar
* 35 grams of kosher salt
* 15 grams of citric acid


so to make about a liter we will place in one of the 1000ml containers with a lid the following:

* 800ml of white vinegar
* 280 grams of kosher salt
* 120 grams of citric acid


shake shake shake for about 3 to 4 minutes. It will almost all dissolve but not quite. This is ok. We want it to be saturated at room temperature.

Note:
The brine is really corrosive, so avoid the use of metallic objects.

Next we need to make our basing solution. You'll need about 20ml per box used. This is made by filling a container half the way with crushed ice then adding an equal amount of sodium hydroxide. Stir until dissolved. Place in the refrigerator to cool.

Note:
If your pills contain tripolidine hydrochloride it is recommended you do a prewash in ice-cold anhydrous acetone, filter and dry.

Method

powder the pills in a coffee grinder and place the powder into a clean boiling flask.

For every box of pills used add 50ml of the extraction brine to the pill mass and placed the flask on a hot plate. (an oil bath is preferred) bring the mixture to a boil. Let it boil for at least 10 minutes.

Note:
This calculation was based on a box of pills used = 48 x 60. If you are doing 120's or 240's you may need to increase this to 75ml to 100ml per box to compensate for the additional filler.

Filter the mixture through a charmin plug in the bottom of a large funnel into the other boiling flask. All the collected liquid should bee crystal clear.

Slowly add powdered sodium carbonate to the collected liquid in small portions. Co2 will be evolved so take your time so the liquid doesn't end up on the floor. Stop when the ph is 7 or co2 is no longer produced.

Place the flask with the neutralized filtered liquid back onto the hotplate. Add approximately 1/2 of its volume of vm&p naphtha. Heat until the brine layer just starts to boil (actually a simmer) then slowly start to add the basing solution a few mls at a time using the medicine dropper. You want to do this so the ph change is gradual. You will see the point where the freebase starts to be liberated. Continue to add basing solution. Stop when adding basing solution causes no more change in color or sediment. If you want to be sure the ph of the brine layer at the stopping point should be 11 or 12. Let this simmer for about 5 minutes.

Warning:
Boiling a bi-layered liquid is dangerous. When one of the layers is flammable extreme caution must bee taken. It is not necessary to achieve a full boil. A good simmer approximately 90-95 degrees c will suffice. Do not underestimate the flammability of hot vm&p naphtha. An oil bath is strongly recommended. Do not add more than a few mls at a time of the basing solution. Disregarding this instruction may cause the brine layer to superheat and boil over. Always wear safety goggles and work in a well ventilated area. Never use anything other than pyrex.

Separate or siphon off the naphtha layer into your third pyrex container. Cover and placed the container in a freezer for about an hour and a half.

Take the naphtha out of the freezer and pour off the naphtha leaving as much of the freebase crystals behind as possible. Capture the lose crystals in a coffee filter and return them to the container. Then wash the freebase crystals in ice cold distilled water. Drain the water and freebase crystals into a clean coffee filter. Then pour a liberal amount of hexane through the recovered product. This will wash the water off and help dry the crystals very quickly.

oh this is easy! Ill be sure to do this while im shitting my pants and vometing from withdrawls

 

[phr]

What would slowly heating the gel up do? What would freezing it do?


(Just wild guesses on my part, I have no experience with this stuff.)

 

[Pegasus]

I'd like to hear more on this method. It really isn't that complicated...

 

[80mg]

I'd like to hear more on this method. It really isn't that complicated...

Nah it's something Id do if I had a bottle of them and I wasnt withdrawig, but withdrawing with only one...It's not practical too sacrifice my pill (if I fuked up...and I'm a moron...so the chances are pretty high) and I was sick, fuckkkk that.

 

[johanneschimpo]

The method above? Its a pseudoephedrine extraction, something that somebody copied from another site and pasted here, for reasons unknown. Nothing to do with OP oxycontin. No reason it should work on a completely different drug in a completely different type of pill (that is time released).

 

[Pegasus]

^Hmm... I scanned through and it looked legit to me. Not complicated, for sure...

 

[cj]

Does anyone know the aproximate PH of a stomach? I got one of these im thinking of mixing water and citric acid letting it sit then possibly plugging the liqued. I would shoot it but somehow citric acid seems harsh for viens.