ANTI-depressant/anxiety pill that works?? (Think outside the box)

Is it perhaps the taper that might be the problem? I can't imagine making tremendous life altering moves (like going off to college AND having a fiancee dump you) during a benzo taper. Sometimes you just have to live life on its own terms and get through these episodes without the help of another medication. If you have a serious problems with opiates, you may want to try Suboxone/Subutex maintenance treatment. It's helped me out tremendously and, even though I haven't gone through withdrawal (from 16mg down to 4mg), I can definitely tell you it's helped me untangle the webs in my life and has gotten me on the right direction. I have social anxiety, generalized anxiety and episodic depression and those have been significantly quelled by Suboxone and 2mg Klonopin daily. Good luck.
 
Destroy the pharm companies. Drugs do not help anything, they fuck us up.
 
Destroy the pharm companies. Drugs do not help anything, they fuck us up.
that's not true,
in some cases drugs are the best solution.

but in many cases they make matters worse indeed.
and yes, like many businesses, big pharma companies in general
do not care about the well being of nature, animals or humans
and only care about profit.
colmes said:
Do i need to go to inpatient to get off?
sometimes a licensed doctor will try to taper his patients too quickly of benzo's or ssri's.
doctors often underestimate the withdrawal symptoms and sometimes they mistake the withdrawal symptoms for disease.

for example: withdrawal of benzo produces anxiety/restlessness...
doctor might say: "this is your disease. you need to keep taking benzo's"
it's the same with SSRI's.

the ashton manual does indeed have the best information about withdrawing in the most comfortable way.
if you taper slowly you should be able to do it without extreme discomfort :)

the trick is to not taper so fast that your body is having too much trouble readjusting,
but fast enough that you are lowering dose every 1, 2 or maximum 3 weeks little by little.
Are you referring to a medication like Clonidine?
I'm referring to medication like metoprolol, atenolol, nebivolol, etc.
Nebivolol is one of the newer kinds of betablocker and is said to produce less side-effects than older beta blockers.
 
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why the fuck does everyone look for help in a pill? its not the long term answer. surely there must be a natural way to deal with this petty shit
 
Of course they can! I guarantee it! I took xanax on and off for over a year, then quit (didn't need to taper cause i wasn't taking it daily, but even a few times a week would produce hellish symptoms).

Get off the benzos, read up here, especially the ashton manual. Register and get on the forums.

http://www.benzoisland.org/benzoforum/forumdisplay.php?f=36

It'll show you how to taper and get your life back on track. Get off all other drugs. It'll suck for a while but it gets better. I'm 92 days clean off xanax, and although I feel good, I STILL have problems. If that tells you anything! Good luck man.

Also, if you keep looking for more drugs, I guaranfuckintee your problems will get worse.

listen to this guy. register on that forum and they will help you there.

i'm sorry you've gotten yourself into this situation. the good news is that almost everyone who comes off benzos recovers to a large degree. the bad news is that it can take several years. best of luck to you.
 
listen to this guy. register on that forum and they will help you there.

i'm sorry you've gotten yourself into this situation. the good news is that almost everyone who comes off benzos recovers to a large degree. the bad news is that it can take several years. best of luck to you.

Thanks burn out! It's good to know someone can back up my words :)

And noisulli, you're right to a degree IMO. I SUPPOSE benzos used in the short term could help anxiety in the long run IF coupled with CBT. And obviously people need opiates for pain. Some people need SSRI's because they really have low seratonin levels in their brain, etc.

But overall, people should just man up and fucking deal with it. You don't need pills to live. We were born sober. I'm sure people will disagree with what I just said but that's really the bottom line IMO.
 
I'd have to agree with those who recommend you think out of the box by considering that there are no drugs that will solve your anxiety issues without also creating even worse issues with dependence, addiction, rebound anxiety, and cognitive difficulties. You can use an anxiolytic for a short period of time to briefly relieve anxiety so that you have an opportunity to work on a long term plan that improves your ability to handle life without drugs. But you can't depend on drugs to be used long term without serious consequences. At least, that's been my experience.
 
It sounds like you are developing agoraphobia. I would suggest counseling first of all.

Ativan works excellent for emergency panic attacks, but its not a preventative or long term cure. Overuse can make you worse. Its supposedly a harder addiction to shake than heroin because the withdrawal symptom is panic attacks which are scary as fuck.

If you dont have an addictive personality, they can really really help in an emergency though.
 
I self medicated with opiates (i'm so unique, I know) but I have no supply of 'real' opiates (im prescribed tramadol because I got myself addicted to subutex real bad after a brief oxycodone habit. Yeah...opiates do their job...until you need them just to not feel sick, and really, its not an option. That is, its not a logical option.

I can relate to your situation in more than one way... although it also differs from mine in more than one way. Probably about half and half. The opiates thing is one of the aspects to all this we have in common... SOOOO many people dealing with anxiety/depression can't help but mess around with opiates, which of course inevitably ends up progressing into *some* degree of an addiction phase with opiates unfortunately.

I say this because it's true... for the type of person with moderate or situational anx-depr who is not averse to experimenting with drugs as a teenager/young adult (not an addict, but dabbles here and there in the drug world... mary jane, psychedelics, pharmies, etc.) it is extremely difficult not to at least TRY opiates. Then, it is even harder not to absolutely LOVE opiates! Especially in the early stages, long before actual addiction, where for the dollar it is the most beautiful high on the planet... not merely the pleasant but dull nothingness-relief of benzos but relief with the best euphoria you've experienced next to an orgasm!! Ahh but that initial innocence doesn't typically last too long, and when it does it is only delaying the inevitable. Just like you, it started with Oxy for me (percs/vics-->OC/roxis), and became heroin of course :(

Some anxiety/depression sufferers sadly never recover from their opiate misadventures, and they let the drug(s) that seemed rather harmless at first completely consume them and turn them into lying, stealing lifelong addicts. However I said PHASE because for many others (like you and myself) that is exactly what it is, a phase. This phase varies enormously in both intensity and length from case to case. If *only* that initial stage I described @ the end of the previous paragraph, of opiate 'experimentation' (lol i forgot there WAS such a thing), could be freeze framed-- cuz you never get it back... when opiates seem like a true blessinghere on Earth that could erase anyone's bad/depressed moods or anxieties and replace it with a remarkable euphoric and lucid calm.

On TOP of that - and this is another factor that makes people do it too much and leads to addiction - most all opiate compounds (aside from the synthetic Demerol which has a neurotoxic metabolite), particularly the natural/semisynthetic ones, are completely non-toxic to the body's organs and tissues. I mean, once acclimated to the drug, an addict's body is healthier WITH the drug than without for crying out loud!! Not that that is a positive thing, but still... With all that said because (at reasonable doses!) of opiates' mild impact on the body's regular functioning/coordination, lack of toxicity, and few visible effects of the drug to an onlooker... opiates would be the absolute best cure for depression and/or many anxiety disorders if not for the big ugly T word.

...The thing that sadly makes opiates a curse more often than a cure-all... an evil, life-destroying drug rather than a beautiful, best drug in the world-- yea that would be T O L E R A N C E. Without tolerance, there would be nothing to "chase", so people would never have to give up everything they have trying to feel the way they used to from it. Tolerance is a bitch, and it is a dismal failure of modern medicine that opiate tolerance cannot be prevented or reversed... given all the people that depend on opiates legally or for self-medicating purposes.

Since the real, fun opiates (full agonists) cannot be enlisted to effectively treat anxiety/depression, Buprenorphine is the next best thing... it does wonders as an AD for me. And it is a wonderful side effect from keeping me off of heroin and oxy!! So i guess you could say that opiates are my AD (i never took an SSRI, and only use benzo's recreationally) since I discovered Bupe's AD qualities and use it to this day-- and when I'm not on it, taking a break, i am on another sort of opiate... yea I do the full-agonist binge every two weeks or so ;) Makes the habit affordable!!

You need to get off the benzo's, though. Slowly. It's not good to be dependent on those things for so long!! And if you tell a Suboxone/Subutex doctor that you've abused opiates before they will have no problem whatsoever maintaining you on the Bupe, so just like I do you should just do that and consider Bupe your AD (helps with anxiety too). Bupe is a better option than tramadol as it is more stabilizing with it's SSRI-like half-life... less ups and downs. Just don't take huge dosages, less is more iwth Bupe no more than 2mg insufflated (the BA is way higher snorting IME).

Seriously, if it helped you a lot and kept you off Oxy that is a POSITIVE thing!! Yea you will be dependent on it, and physically addicted but it won't be that bad with a reasonable, lower dose. If you're after a medication to make things better for you, no matter WHAT you take your body will need that drug, like it or not. And low dose Buprenorphine is much better to use, and tinkers less with your body's neurochemical balancethan SSRI's. This is a fact Besides, if you want to get off the Bupe at some point just ween yourself down and off like you would have to with an SSRI as well.. ta da!! You could also use tramadol to help with that final jump-off (that is the hardest part with anything) Good luck!!

PS: Sorry I turned this first part of this response into an opiate love letter, LOL, this weekend I was due me my full-agonist party woot woot so i'm rambling but still coherent, i think :) It is so true though, and universal. Just like how you added that sarcasm when you said "I know, I'm so unique" when you spoke of your time finding relief in opiates. Good shit!

And lastly... "I got no supply of 'real' opiates"
come on now bro!!! You live in New Jers... hit up Newark or any urban part of the state, or NYC if you live near the city, not on the reg but if you're tryin to have some fun with opiates once in a while. The best dope in the country is all over the place, just outside ur backyard!!
 
If you're taking opiates for the usual reasons, they'll eventually end up causing anxiety when you go through withdrawal and add to your anxieties; to your problems. :(

Were I you, I would consider attempting to slowly taper off from the drugs and such: one dose of methadone that'll be reduced over time is a lot easier to manage than several different drugs mixed together.

Benzodiazepines can be slowly tapered. I would agree that there's nothing better for anxiety, it's impossible to continue using them without experiencing incredible side-effects and even reduced anxiolytic effects over time.

Therapy. A combination of therapy and those wonderful drugs no doctor wants to give you. I seriously recommend therapy and other techniques that don't require the use of potentially habit-forming substances before turning to medicines and "quick fixes".

We all want to feel better and we all want it now. It's not that easy, as I'm sure you know, and I'd seriously consider being honest with your doctor and attempting to see someone who can provide therapy suitable for your needs.

Talking helps. This forum is proof of that.
 
my own experience with my own mind is that I love drugs, but I've never found one that would just solve my anxiety and depression permanently. I've done all the ones u mentioned plus coke and psychedelics. Any time I've found something new that worked, it was only a matter of time before it stopped working well enough to be worth it. I can't think of anything that isn't like that for ME. I guess just keep finding new drugs, and doing them until they don't work. Sometimes I rediscover old ones that I haven't done in a while and they work again for a bit. Sometimes I get clean or mostly clean for a little while. Sometimes I get back into a hobby or enjoy a favorite food. Sometimes I focus my attention on my family, or my few friends, or my crummy job. I'm still alive so I guess I'm doing at least something right, or god loves me, or something lol
 
I've also been through TONS of meds for anxiety and depression. Finally I did find that magical combo, surprisingly. It consists of Parnate (60 mg), Lyrica (600 mg), and Suboxone (8 mg). I believe you can find help with meds, but you will need an open-minded psychiatrist.
 
i went through lots of different SSRIs and benzos etc before i figured out trazadone was good for me. benzos willl end up making the anxiety worse in the end, even if they help at first. i take trazadone at night, go to sleep and wake up without panic attacks, and take a few small doses as needed throughout the day.
 
Maybe you should try Tricyclic Antidepressants Like:
Dosulepin
Amitriptyline
Doxepin
And here is a list of other ones.

I've been on Dosulepin for a couple of years now and only realized recently how much it has done more my Anxiety. So I really think it would be worth checking some of these out.
They're great for Insomnia also, atleast for a while anyway. After time you will become tolerant to the sedative effects. If that happens up the dose.

They've been around since the early 60's I think so they've a lot of research on them and are deemed effective. They're the best class of Antideps I've ever taken and there's not much in the way of withdrawal from them when you stop.
 
Im on 30mg avanza(mirtazapine) and love it. Take it a hour before you go to bed, puts you to sleep ad you wake up feeling good the next day. The first week I was a living zombie that could barely stay awake but that sooned fixed itself out. Ived tried zoloft and lexapro with no results, cymbalta which was good but made me way to over stimulated so I couldnt sleep, also made me suicidal due to lack of sleep. Cant remember what type of anti depressent it is (and when I did look it up what type it was, ssri, srni etc, I remember ive never heard of this type before, must be new maybe?), its definately not a common ssri or anything.
 
I just want to say wow, thank each and every one of you for taking the time to write your posts and share your stories. Really, the amount of care people show for someone they dont know personally is...well...great.

Thank you, CH, for moving this to the dark side.

I know, I sound like i'm looking for an "answer" in a pill. I am only human, I never claimed to be someone who is better than anyone else. I am not claiming to be a stronger or better person. But I do know that i'm a good person, and I just want help.

I of course know I will never be 100% free of this, its who I am. Its the kind of person I am. Its almost like herpes [which thankfully I dont have lol] - in the sense that it "flares" up.

At times you feel like your problems are minimal, and all your worries really have been magnified by your own anxiety. At other times, I become so introverted it sucks.

I would benefit a lot from therapy, I dont know what prevents me from going. I make excuses. Same excuses as I make for why I dont study as much as I should, or why I don't act more like who I really am.

Yea, agoraphobia...i took a year off college. Even though i was with my ex fiancee in college, it really disconnected me from social situations. I dont know what to do about that.

Look, we all know opiates feel good. they make you relax.
amphetamine like drugs give you confidence, and so much energy.
"minor" depressants relax you and calm you.
alcohol makes you feel like you can go ahead and talk to anyone.
They all have their pluses, but are almost always outweighed by negatives.

But what about NON recreational drugs? For me, what is recreational now? just being myself and not worrying as much would be recreational!
Do I want to be prescribed a morphine drip to go with me as I walk through school? fuck no. would it make me feel good? Yeah for awhile, sure.

as far as anti depressants and anti anxiety drugs, I mostly only know info on SSRIs, which have, in my experience, proven to be pretty crummy. Tricyclics, I tried nortriptyline, I may have to try it again.

What is my ultimate problem? Nah i'm not all afraid people are whispering about me, talking about me, having those sorts of ridiculous thoughts. My problem is that I - specifically, do not see much worth in myself unless I am with a woman who I love and who loves me. I let someone else gauge my sense of worth. It fuckin sucks, its stupid, i should stop, I know, but I dont.
With a girl - i'm happy (as happy as I can be -which is good)
When I am without one, which is how I am now, and how I have been for the last 6 months or so...i feel inferior, like a loser, and I always am saying "Where the hell am I gonna meet someone?" The longer I go on being reclusive - the more difficult it becomes to show yourself. Thats why I want the aid of a pharm that really helps - I need the SPARK to get me going on the RIGHT path- not a "MIRACLE IN A PILL"

Thanks all - wanna hear how ya feel bout what I said - you will see I'm not looking for a medicine that does not exist, or expecting miracles. Just help.
 
Dude, go to the site I told you to. Register, takes seconds. Get on the forum. THAT will get you on the right path. Get off fucking benzos, you wouldn't believe how much better you will feel. Things will get easier from there.

And I know you don't wanna hear it, but GO to therapy. DON'T make an excuse like you said you do.

Best of luck, man.
 
I've taken propranolol (a betablocker) for anxiety, it really does help take the edge off although it is not mood-altering. I like that it's not, as it makes it less psychologically addictive and I can stick to taking it only when I'm really anxious.

A good friend of mine was on Lyrica (pregabalin) for a while, and felt that it was really good for her anxiety and depression. However this seems to be the kind of drug that should only be used as a short-term solution - it would enable you to feel good enough to be able to get your shit together and do the things that truly benefit in the long run (as others have said: therapy, exercise, diet. Omega 3 is supposed to be excellent for anxiety although it can take months for it to have any effect. Also, lack of B vitamins is linked to anxiety so make sure to take supplements).
 
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