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What was Jesus trying to do?

Papa1

Papa1

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I picked up a bible last night, Luke 14-ish. I don't know why I should have been, but I was surprised at the amount of poor-helping Jesus instructed people to do.

Now, without the getting into Heaven motivation, what do you think Jesus could have been trying to do? What sort of scheme do you think he had? Why was he trying to spread extreme altruism? Personal empathy? Some sort of new power structure? Or do you think maybe that spreading a key to Heavenly afterlife isn't separable from what Jesus was about?

What're the points of christian morals?
 
First off, Jesus never wanted a religion to grow up around his teachings. He never wanted to be worshipped either. Such thoughts never occur to a true master.

Jesus was a man, who had reached spiritual maturity. The same fate awaits all of you.

Jesus is an example of a fully developed human being. A mortal man who bloomed into his human potential while others watched.

They, misunderstood the process and wrote things from that primative perspective.

The centerpiece of Jesus' teachings is compassion. Only this key will open the gate to the kingdom, which even now is all around you.

Compassion is the ability to expand your awareness outward and away from your "self". Selfish people cannot project very far, and as a result are very self centered.

The idea is to expand compassion until it reaches all of creation, making it your body. Your kingdom.

If you can feel all things as a part of youself, the desire to harm any of it leaves you .

Now you understand the golden rule.



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don't know for sure if the historical jesus existed
but supposing that yes, let's just say that there are some nice people in the world too
 
Hello Vegan.

I'm a vegetarian myself. 27 years now.

I believe an actual person named Jesus/ Yeshua, etc. did walk in those times. Jesus has all the hallmarks of someone who had spent time with the eastern masters. His message is identical in many respects to the one that comes from being trained in higher forms of yoga, which is my own background.

He was a holy man surrounded by Jews who couldn't see past their holy book.

Most people believe Jesus was Jewish. I tend to agree with the following arguments however.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm



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I believe he was just the most sephisticated of the self proclaimed "profits" from that era. There was dozens of them, he just became the most popular.
 
vegan said:
don't know for sure if the historical jesus existed
but supposing that yes, let's just say that there are some nice people in the world too
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xexon said:
The centerpiece of Jesus' teachings is compassion. Only this key will open the gate to the kingdom, which even now is all around you.
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OpiodSlave said:
I believe he was just the most sephisticated of the self proclaimed "profits" from that era. There was dozens of them, he just became the most popular.
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So he was a compassionate guy and he wanted other people to be compassionate too? Full stop?

Why did he include the part about a Heavenlly afterlife? Is it a metaphor for the gains to be had in this life from being compassionate? A way to trick people to be nice? Or maybe it was added afterwards?
 
Damien said:
How can you say for certain?
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Since none currently alive were alive during the time Jesus lived, I guess nobody can say that with absolute certainty but all four published Gospels, Acts, and Paul's letters support that idea.
 
I don't see anything about Jesus not wanting to be worshiped in the Gospels, Acts or Paul's letters. And as far as "religion" goes Paul wrote a lot of instructions for the early church.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion

Jesus 'healed using cannabis'

* Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
* The Guardian, Monday 6 January 2003 10.19 GMT


Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.

The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."

Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".

Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.
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How can you say for certain?
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The very nature of compassion means that you don't think of yourself but others. The personal "I" has been pushed into the background and your life becomes one of service to humanity rather than personal gain.

Christianity left the road when they declared Jesus a "son of god" and made a deity out of him for worship. They greatly misunderstood what that was supposed to mean.

A son of God means that person has merged his individuality with the godhead and came back again into individuality.

Enlightenment is the modern word for it.

Spirituality is the last thing to develope in a human. We spend much time in perfection of the body and then the mind. But spirituality is the hardest to mature. It can't be forced but it can be cultured.

You literally leave this world and fly away on your new angel wings.

Once you catch a glimpse of something other than this reality, you will be consumed to pry that door open all the way.

Jesus knew how because he had made the journey. The only way you can truly follow Jesus is to become what Jesus was.

A fully developed human being.

On a planet full of children, such a person offers guidence as long as their physical shell will last here. When they die, they merge back into the sea of consciousness and leave their individuality at the door.

"Over there", everybody is a Christ.



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Although I was raised as a southern baptist, I embrace no religion.

There comes a point in any spiritual journey where the seeking stops. The practice ends. The goal reached.

This happened to me about 20 years ago.

I used to digest libraries full of books. One day, it just suddenly stopped. I came to the realization that I already was where I wanted to go. I became God aware. A steady state in the eye of the storm.

The result of having this kind of perception is life altering.

Direct perception as opposed to belief.

Personal revelation as opposed to written scripture.

The second coming of Christ has nothing to do with Jesus coming through the clouds. It's the inner Christ waking up and taking over the driver's seat.

Religion has nothing to do with it. It's a natural maturation process, the likes of which most people will never experience in this lifetime.

Religion has no place with me, because I tell you what I see as opposed to what I believe. As direct perception is beyond mind, there is nowhere to store belief anymore.

I'm free.





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I think it was about of the red pill.. right, but the hole where jesus is... gets really deep and morals take mather to a seeking level sort of to speak. Afterall picture a mormon writing a jesus book for to make faidolla each! has a little ;) in there
 
Papa said:
So he was a compassionate guy and he wanted other people to be compassionate too? Full stop?
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Either that or his story is simply meant to inspire compassion in readers.

Why did he include the part about a Heavenlly afterlife? Is it a metaphor for the gains to be had in this life from being compassionate? A way to trick people to be nice? Or maybe it was added afterwards?
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Such paradigms of thought were in use at the time.
 
Papa said:
Why did he include the part about a Heavenlly afterlife? Is it a metaphor for the gains to be had in this life from being compassionate? A way to trick people to be nice? Or maybe it was added afterwards?
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It's not such a certain thing that Jesus was talking about heaven as we popularly think of it. Judaism at that time had no such notion about the afterlife (and still doesn't), so it's hard to see Jesus having such a thing in mind either when he spoke.

'Kingdom of Heaven' was a euphemism substituted for 'Kingdom of God', to avoid using 'God', in the writing of the Gospel of Luke. It's quite easy to interpret Jesus' teachings on the Kingdom of God to mean a state of being, right here on this earth, when peace and stability reign for all, and which God is counting on us to work toward. This is my answer to your original question: Jesus was trying to spread this message.

I think the jewel of Jesus's teachings, the Sermon on the Mount, makes a lot of sense in and of itself, and doesn't need any reward or punishment in the hereafter to put power behind it: It's a very fortunate thing indeed to be fully at ease with one's own ultimate weakness, transience, and lack of control, and to have the courage to act on that feeling. This message needs spreading, because despite being true when you try it, it's sort of counterintuitive.

I also agree with xexon that Jesus didn't mean to start a new religion, and never anticipated he would be worshiped, if he actually practiced what he preached.
 
The way I see it, the gist of the moral teachings associated to Jesus was peace. In a world of warfare, slavery, subjugation, violence, where most of the gods were cruel and predatory, this religion must have been very successful among the oppressed.

Compassion for other human beings instead of survival of the strongest, turning the other cheek and striving for compromise instead of continuing the cycle of violence.

Of course, the 'turning the other cheek' part was taken out of context and blown out of proportion by the church and used among its arsenal of propaganda tactics in order to weaken and control the population in a tyranny occasionally harsher than that of the slavery that preceded it.
 
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