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[MEGA] Meditation

B9 said:
^ See now you're getting excited about the use of the word excited - please breathe man just breathe :D
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lol... 8)



swilow said:
I sit in grass when I meditate :) But I do agree, cushions are exciting ;)
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How do you keep comfortable and support a straight posture without something to elevate your ass? Don't you find it awkward, or do you do it on a hill or slope or something?
 
How do you keep comfortable and support a straight posture without something to elevate your ass? Don't you find it awkward, or do you do it on a hill or slope or something?
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In a lot of lineages zafus are little more than ass warmers. They are an inch tall and don't provide much support at all. Some ways of sitting might be better than others but there is no "right" way.
 
I'm extremely meditation naive, but I thought one of the points of meditation postures were to be slightly *un*comfortable. Else why not just lie down?
 
yougene said:
In a lot of lineages zafus are little more than ass warmers. They are an inch tall and don't provide much support at all. Some ways of sitting might be better than others but there is no "right" way.
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Although I made this thread with zazen specifically in mind, I never claimed I was searching for a "right" meditation position, nor did I ever claim there was such a thing.

Papa said:
I'm extremely meditation naive, but I thought one of the points of meditation postures were to be slightly *un*comfortable. Else why not just lie down?
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People don't intentionally sit uncomfortably because it aids in the meditation. It's because, although very painful and frustrating for beginners, it's positions like the lotus (with an erect posture, solid, grounded tri-pod effect) that will eventually lead to deeper levels of samadhi - something simply lying down won't do.

Very small, simple and seemingly unimportant variations in physical positioning make a tremendous difference in achieving higher levels of mental concentration.

B9 said:
Chairs are good to sit in.
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Yeah, chair sitting is one of my fav meditation positions.
 
KoreyS said:
How do you keep comfortable and support a straight posture without something to elevate your ass? Don't you find it awkward, or do you do it on a hill or slope or something?
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Nah, but I don't do zen meditation. The practice I'm half-heartedly doing requires one to assume a posture, and basically stay there, motionless, whether in pain or not. Works for me.
 
KoreyS said:
People don't intentionally sit uncomfortably because it aids in the meditation. It's because, although very painful and frustrating for beginners, it's positions like the lotus (with an erect posture, solid, grounded tri-pod effect) that will eventually lead to deeper levels of samadhi - something simply lying down won't do.
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I'm going by something that Alan Watts said, about the role of the position being to allow easy breathing and prevent falling asleep. But I really have no experience..
 
^ I meant that if it's just about not falling asleep, then most positions would be more or less the same. But you're saying that there's a lot more to it than that, and that higher levels of concentration need good posture. I was just curious.
 
Papa said:
^ I meant that if it's just about not falling asleep, then most positions would be more or less the same. But you're saying that there's a lot more to it than that, and that higher levels of concentration need good posture. I was just curious.
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Wanna talk on MSN?
 
Ahh I'm not on msn, sorry. If you have the time to post it on here I'd love to hear it, and I bet others might too. But I'm also happy if you want to send me a pm.
 
Posture and relative comfort are important in my experience. Posture keeps the mind in a place it should be (not too uptight, not too loose) while relative comfort keep you from constantly being reminded of the physical world around ya.

Could be wrong tho...unfortunately I have a fucked up back and my legs go numb after about 20 minutes or so.

I swear I did something wrong in a past life :(
 
whattodohere said:
Posture and relative comfort are important in my experience. Posture keeps the mind in a place it should be (not too uptight, not too loose) while relative comfort keep you from constantly being reminded of the physical world around ya.
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Yeah I definitely agree
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3dmusic said:
This may be hopefully of some help, to whoever reads it

The nearest thing to meditation that i can feel is if I use an analogy.
I am a valley, with water flowing through it.
Whatever is in that water, I just let it flow by.
If it rocks me, I do not fight it, but I do not focus on it neither.
I keep my focus on the whole of me, the valley, while the water, and
whatever is in, flows through.​
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Ya that's a cool visualization. I'll have to try it. I use meditation to help me though withdrawals, and it's hard sometimes to keep focused when your body wants to do it's own thing.
Most of the time I start out with breathing exercises until I start to become less aware of my body.Then visualize I'm falling threw the bed, until I feel I'm floating above it. Sometimes to lose awareness of my body I have to focus on different parts of my body starting at my feet and work my way to my head. Releasing the energy/tension in each part.

Years ago I was so good at it, I could not only fly above my body. I could fly out of the house go all over the place. My body was still laying there, but I was wide awake and in such a deep trance I really felt like I was doing it.
 
have u guys ever read "where ever you go there you are"..great book on mindfullness meditation
 
I've recently been trying a few meditative techniques but haven't gotten the hang of it yet. Would you guys be able to recommend starting with a certain type or form or meditation? I imagine there are hundreds of kinds and variations, but a simple one to start with is what I'm looking for atm. Also, have any of you tried using mantra's whilst meditating?
 
^try vipassana... google it. Mantras are great, repeating any word for an hour or so will bring you to another field of consciousness (though religious or meaningful words to me seem to work better) :)
 
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