US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

[chippermonk]

For instance-- Trump won by a landslide in 2024. However, only 65.3% of eligible voters actually voted. The fact that this was a higher participation rate than usual is just pathetic and depressing.

Your point is good and I have no disagreement, but I want to remind that Trump did not win by a landslide of the popular vote. The official final totals were 49.8% Trump to 48.3% Harris ( the Electoral College was a different matter)
He won but it was close and yes, more participation by voters might easily have made a difference.

 

[jasperkent]

The official final totals were 49.8% Trump to 48.3% Harris ( the Electoral College was a different matter)

Thanks for the correction
I didn't realize the final tally was that close.

Now I'm even more pissed off at the one out of three Americans who sat on their asses.

Democracy requires participation.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

A few examples off the top of my head:

Dems always side with Labor over Management. But organized Labor isn't always on board with laws sympathetic to immigrants.

Black churches were instrumental to the Civil Rights movement, as personified by Rev. Dr MLK Jr, and they continue to be. But Christians aren't always cool with LGBT+ rights. Then there are groups within the LGBT+ community that don't necessarily respect other groups within that community. And some feminists don't like trans women.

Working class people aren't always keen on green energy, which tends to be more expensive (in the short run) than fossil fuels.

Rural communities tend to benefit from Democratic policies, but rural people tend to be socially conservative.

There are others, bur I'm at work and I gotta go...

I think it's interesting that you mention labor here, I genuinely haven't seen democrats engage to defend labor beside the 3-4 people both of us can probably name off the top of the head as actual progressive leaders

95% of the democrat party seems to side with management and "the economy" over labor interests, similar to the Labour party in the UK

the other groups you mention, while advocacy is important, I think should not be a focus at all. yes civil rights are important, I'm not arguing against that

currently the civil rights fight has been coopted by identity politics by the corporate donors. its being used as a tool to distract and divide the workers

fighting for the rights of workers, advocating for the working class needs to be the absolute top priority. before anything else otherwise we get the division we see today

the democratic party has been divided by corporate interests to kneecap any effort to actually improve the material conditions of every day Americans

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Thanks for the correction
I didn't realize the final tally was that close.

Now I'm even more pissed off at the one out of three Americans who sat on their asses.

Democracy requires participation.

I'm thankful because the rightful downfall of the identity politics driven Democratic party has been accelerated

we need people to fight for Americans and the disapproval of the Democratic party should show that

it isn't on voters to just vote for the lesser evil because evil will still happen, its up to the leaders to offer something to vote for

I view the blaming of voters in the same way I view how people are pointing the finger at immigrants

why are we punishing immigrants working for slave wages instead of the companies that intentionally hire them?

why are we punishing immigrants for running away from the atrocious conditions that the foreign policy of Democrats (and republicans) have created?

its an exercise in absurdity, did we blame Africans for being enslaved by Americans? does that sound reasonable?

place the blame on those with power, not those being subjugated

 

[mal3volent]

I'm thankful because the rightful downfall of the identity politics driven Democratic party has been accelerated

You disapprove of identity based politics ?

 

[kiely]

I am really enjoying the laughs.

..... I will shut the door on the way out.

 

[kiely]

 

[someguyontheinternet]

You disapprove of identity based politics ?

the only meaningful distinction is between the working class and the moneyed class which subjugates them

fighting for and lifting up all of those in the working class is fighting for all subjugated peoples

 

[alasdairm]

In these type of discussions ( and I used to get heavily involved in them) I have found no matter what I claim and then present solid information to validate it - it's NEVER enough.

fair enough. if you can't or won't substantiate your claims i'll weight them accordingly.

thanks.

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

fair enough. if you can't or won't substantiate your claims i'll weight them accordingly.

thanks.

alasdair

Ali, if you ask them that question and they can't answer, assume it rhymes with "spew".

 

[jasperkent]

place the blame on those with power, not those being subjugated

I generally agree with that, and I also agree that "identity politics" (which is self-defeating) contaminated the Democratic Party-- although I don't think the party is beyond repair. I do believe Harris took some bad advice during the campaign.

I liked the idea of a Harris Presidency long before she ran. She's not perfect, but I think she's highly qualified-- certainly much more qualified than the moronic grifter we have now. To me the choice was painfully obvious, but I realize that most people don't pay attention as closely as I do.

 

[Voxide]

In these type of discussions ( and I used to get heavily involved in them) I have found no matter what I claim and then present solid information to validate it - it's NEVER enough. Therefore I say a few opinionated things and if a person is genunely interested in the topic they'll look inot it on their own. The interent is availabe for them to do their own research. I no longer debate anything, attempt to prove anything nor spoon-feed people. It just becomes a huge waste to time for me. I'm too fkn old for that shit.

I agree with this lol I never once in my life on the internet or in real life actually seen someone’s mind get changed from a debate on politics lol

I’m sure it mighta happened but nobody ever actually admits to it. We just got a different system of values and experiences and that’s okay.

If anyone’s seen this happen where someone’s mind and stance got changed because of back and forth, please story time us cause I actually do wanna read about it lol

Even when I swear up and down that I’m not entertaining anyone after they ask my opinion on something, the desperate attempts to get me in some kind of “gotcha” are funny. (Only online of course never in person) It’s just a sign of individuals with way too much time on their hands; sometimes thin skin when they start combing through your post history to resume there or try and DM you only to realize you’ve got them disabled.

Someone got an opinion that differs from yours, you’ll live, I promise

 

[alasdairm]

I agree with this lol I never once in my life on the internet or in real life actually seen someone’s mind get changed from a debate on politics

i've seen it. there are plenty of people here who are open to learning and changing their mind.

if somebody is unwilling to back up a claim, it speaks to the veracity of the claim.

it's not a big ask.

Someone got an opinion that differs from yours, you’ll live, I promise

that goes both ways.

alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

they're not even trying to hide the hypocrisy these days:





alasdair

 

[someguyontheinternet]

the dissonance is palpable

 

[Voxide]

that goes both ways.

alasdair

It should go both ways in theory but it doesn’t in practice. Two different things. As if someone who dares make a slightly (socially) right of center remark doesn’t immediately get torn to shreds with insults

I’ll stop before it actually looks like I take it personal because I def don’t lol, but let’s not pretend that I’m a welcome minority around these parts. There’s maybe 2 other people on the entire forum that’ll know what I’m talkin about.

I get it though I mean it’s a drug forum, but this sort of hypocritical spin is the entire reason for the massive right wing shift in America lately and clearly why Trump won lol
Unlike you guys, I’m actually willing to still be friends.

Liberals never feel the same way to conservatives and instead take it as some sort of insult to their humanity because I dare say immigration laws need to be enforced and I’ll help any way I can tip-wise *gasp* and you’re not allowed to tell me I can’t own a gun with no criminal record *GASP*

Bro, one of the admins even updates the rules now to say you can’t promote “snitching” (reporting illegals to ICE) all because of me

It’s fine if there’s a left wing bias that’s the not issue. But stop pretending there isn’t because that’s just clear as day wrong and even the responses to this will prove it

 

[brokedownpalace10]

fair enough. if you can't or won't substantiate your claims i'll weight them accordingly.

thanks.

alasdair

Hitchen's Razor

I generally agree with that, and I also agree that "identity politics" (which is self-defeating) contaminated the Democratic Party-- although I don't think the party is beyond repair. I do believe Harris took some bad advice during the campaign.

I liked the idea of a Harris Presidency long before she ran. She's not perfect, but I think she's highly qualified-- certainly much more qualified than the moronic grifter we have now. To me the choice was painfully obvious, but I realize that most people don't pay attention as closely as I do.

FWIW, some of the Dem volunteers I worked with in the election last year are very active in the protest organizing. Doing it while volunteering in the office, but it has to be totally unofficial and not linked to the Dems. A couple of @tryptakid's Dem rants did speak to me.
@someguyontheinternet if you want a third party president, ever, you better start with Electoral College reform or elimination.

 

[tryptakid]

I'm 67, from a completelty different generation. Yeah, a "dumb boomer" as we get labeled as. Despite the name-calling, I don't see any hope for Humanity, it's already a total mess. And only getting worse. I no longer care. I did at one time because 40 years ago I knew it was coming to where we are now (as Carling mentions). I hoped I could change people and their thinking about it. I finally realized it was a total waste of time and the insults got tiring. Thus my new view of not even getting caught up in debating things or proving anything to anyone. Let it Be.

I look forward to soon being out of this shitty 3-D, low vibrational dimension I was thrown into. If it was some type of learning lesson to be here, it was a lesson of what hell is like. I take oxys and benzos (and ocassionally my own Cubensis+ mushrooms) for chronic pain but also to escape from this fucking world of shit I'm stuck in. It makes it somewhat tolerable.

I feel you man,that dumb boomer shit is just one more way to try to keep us divided. We're all just people trying to make it through the day. If you live up to your stereotype then sure, you get what you're owed. But this shit is just insufferable. These ghouls who have so much yet they make our lives feel unsafe and unstable. Doesn't matter if you're American or Iranian, Democrat or MAGA, we're all NPCs to them. But the funny thing is, we aren't. They're the weak ones. All it takes is someone to turn on them and they've got nothing.

 

[alasdairm]

As if someone who dares make a slightly (socially) right of center remark doesn’t immediately get torn to shreds with insults

i'll agree to disagree that happens.

alasdair

 

[helpingout]

It should go both ways in theory but it doesn’t in practice. Two different things. As if someone who dares make a slightly (socially) right of center remark doesn’t immediately get torn to shreds with insults

I’ll stop before it actually looks like I take it personal because I def don’t lol, but let’s not pretend that I’m a welcome minority around these parts. There’s maybe 2 other people on the entire forum that’ll know what I’m talkin about.

I get it though I mean it’s a drug forum, but this sort of hypocritical spin is the entire reason for the massive right wing shift in America lately and clearly why Trump won lol
Unlike you guys, I’m actually willing to still be friends.

Liberals never feel the same way to conservatives and instead take it as some sort of insult to their humanity because I dare say immigration laws need to be enforced and I’ll help any way I can tip-wise *gasp* and you’re not allowed to tell me I can’t own a gun with no criminal record *GASP*

Bro, one of the admins even updates the rules now to say you can’t promote “snitching” (reporting illegals to ICE) all because of me

It’s fine if there’s a left wing bias that’s the not issue. But stop pretending there isn’t because that’s just clear as day wrong and even the responses to this will prove it

Sounds like the kind of problem a good nights rest, some electrolytes, and an oxazepam would do wonders for.

Leftist boogeymen are everywhere. It’s hard to get any rest with such types about. Best to report them when seen.