US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread
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well Canada does seem to fall in line with the US an awful lot so I see many of the same opinions from Canadians. the policies of the US impact Canada as well
and as you're Canadian why are you so concerned with people disliking America?
did you watch the linked video?
also having opinions on things is fine but that doesn't change the reality of how US foreign policy impacts migration. that just isn't an opinion, its fact that has been studied for some time now
the US bombs and exploits other countries then cries like a petulant child when it reaps what it sows and manipulates its allies into falling in line
jasperkent
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Trump may be a pawn in one sense:
He thinks that he & Putin are buddies, whereas Putin sees Trump as a useful idiot.
Trump is easily manipulated with flattery.
He thinks that he & Putin are buddies, whereas Putin sees Trump as a useful idiot.
Trump is easily manipulated with flattery.
here's another video that explains Death to America pretty well
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At least as early as 2018 Nate White noted that Donald Trump is a bully but if he's ever in a situation where he knows there is someone in the room 'smarter' (Dons most fravrolite term) than him, he very quickly reverts to being subservient. Even the body language between the two could not have been clearer.
In his heart, DT envies Putin's absolute power but if I were Putin, every time Don says how great, smart and wonderful he (Putin) is, I bet Putin cringes slightly. Compliments from someone you have not even an ounce of respect for must get old quite quickly.
I mean, I'm not aware of any Russian media praising Trump.
Saying 'this war wouldn't have happened in Russia was in the G8 does make me question whose best interests are put first. Well we know really, Don first, last and always but being liked by 'the cool kids' eludes him and arse-licking is NEVER going to engender respect.
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As a quick thought. Just perspective and a thought. As in corporate media, and politics in general, the illuminati or even cigar smoke in back rooms is not necessary. To continue to use corporate media as an example, since the media is a corporation it will favor corporations. Not as a plot, but as automatic due to its culture. (I do think there is now more of a "plan" than ever, but ne'mind)
Same with the "powers that actually be", they don't need to be hatching Dr. Evil plots to rule the world. Simply scratching each others backs and "taking care of their own" can result in games just as elaborate and effective.
And now back to our regularly scheduled program.
jasperkent
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Most evil is not the result of elaborate plans exquisitely hatched. On the contrary, it is quite mundane....
jasperkent
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And while polarization is a real problem, I believe the biggest threat to humanity is not extremism, but apathy. Not terrorism, but laziness.
For instance-- Trump won by a landslide in 2024. However, only 65.3% of eligible voters actually voted. The fact that this was a higher participation rate than usual is just pathetic and depressing.
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you're right that apathy is a big problem, I think we can look at the democrat party as a great example of apathy
their voters have been screaming for more, telling them that things are going bad but they refuse to run any politician besides the most apathetic do-nothing that they can find who mirror the Republican talking points
the idea that they don't want "too big" of change is a perfect example of apathy
they don't care about the harms coming to their constituents nor the people around the world that their terrible foreign policy impacts
the Democratic party is apathy incarnate
jasperkent
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That's certainly part of their problem. But a bigger issue with Dems is a lack of focus & cohesion. The Democratic Party is splintered into a vast array of special interest groups, some of which are directly opposed to each other.
This is not a new problem. As Will Rogers said way back around 1930::
I am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat.
i appreciate it.
and the couple other comments on what marcoman meant. i'm still interested to hear from @marcoman whether they have anything with which to substantiate the claim they made?
alasdair
I'm curious what the interest of those special interest groups are? what purpose do they serve and what do they accomplish? what demand are they filling and which constituents create the demand?
AOC was on Latin NPR recently talking about how the democratic party is a large voting coalition or bloc comprised of everything from Democratic socialists like her to corporate neo-libs like Pelosi, to UAW union type liberals.... It's a big tent that seems to be mostly lead by the gerontological wealth at the top (neo-libs), boomers who are sucking most of what they can out of the party as they sail off into a viagra ozepmic sunset with a ketamine chaser out in the Hamptons. Bernie's the only artifact of anti-wealth from that generation that's still doing the work. I've given up on Warren for the most part... she hasn't really don'e much besides seem concerned.
I"m more interested in the Lisa Murowski's of the republican party - values based politicians who seem to try to represent their constituents rather than a party platform writ large.
The dems of today are the repubs of 2014 - disorganized and looking for a leader. Booker, AOC and David Hogg have all made some strong individual efforts as the signs of new leadership... The no-oligarchs tour is doing well so far as I can tell, bridging AOC and Bernie.
Maybe there needs to be a third liberal/progressive party... DSA/Greens.... I don't know... but they've yet to get their shit together to fund a viable candidate in a generation. I voted for Nader three times. 2000, 2004, 2008. He was the last best independent from the left.
Cornell West maybe.... but realistically, probably not.
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A few examples off the top of my head:
Dems always side with Labor over Management. But organized Labor isn't always on board with laws sympathetic to immigrants.
Black churches were instrumental to the Civil Rights movement, as personified by Rev. Dr MLK Jr, and they continue to be. But Christians aren't always cool with LGBT+ rights. Then there are groups within the LGBT+ community that don't necessarily respect other groups within that community. And some feminists don't like trans women.
Working class people aren't always keen on green energy, which tends to be more expensive (in the short run) than fossil fuels.
Rural communities tend to benefit from Democratic policies, but rural people tend to be socially conservative.
There are others, but I'm at work and I gotta go...
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In these type of discussions ( and I used to get heavily involved in them) I have found no matter what I claim and then present solid information to validate it - it's NEVER enough. Therefore I say a few opinionated things and if a person is genunely interested in the topic they'll look inot it on their own. The interent is availabe for them to do their own research. I no longer debate anything, attempt to prove anything nor spoon-feed people. It just becomes a huge waste to time for me. I'm too fkn old for that shit.
I brought up the Wizard of Oz as (in a sense) an analogy, but it actually has some interesting meaning behind all of it. Finding out who REALLY runs the world is the rabbit hole to go down if anyone is interested in Truth. All of the information is out there. Do nothing, dismiss all or some of it or resort to name-calling. It does not matter to me. People are free to do their own homework. But in all my years of studying the topic I find 90+% won't do shit, they'll dismiss anything pesented and resort to name-calling. For those people, just keep believeling the bullshit you've been programmed to believe. It's much easier.
Heres a start: The Truth masked perfectly as Comedy by George Carlin: (and BTW, this isnlt just about America, it's at the global level)
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If you watch this clip he talks about how the owners don't want a population of critical thinking.
Notice how much AI assistance is being thrown at you these days? That's a way to keep you from thinking critidally. You offload the cognitive effort to a cheerful helpful assistant (that they control, and eventually will enshitify while charging you for it)
Stay woke. Think for yourself.
I'm 67, from a completelty different generation. Yeah, a "dumb boomer" as we get labeled as. Despite the name-calling, I don't see any hope for Humanity, it's already a total mess. And only getting worse. I no longer care. I did at one time because 40 years ago I knew it was coming to where we are now (as Carling mentions). I hoped I could change people and their thinking about it. I finally realized it was a total waste of time and the insults got tiring. Thus my new view of not even getting caught up in debating things or proving anything to anyone. Let it Be.
I look forward to soon being out of this shitty 3-D, low vibrational dimension I was thrown into. If it was some type of learning lesson to be here, it was a lesson of what hell is like. I take oxys and benzos (and ocassionally my own Cubensis+ mushrooms) for chronic pain but also to escape from this fucking world of shit I'm stuck in. It makes it somewhat tolerable.