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Project 2025: Trump's plan for authoritarian takeover

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paranoid android said:
Liberal=left of center in good times and slightly right of center in bad times. Just like Phil Ochs said. But they are still capitalist

Conservative=Right of center Capitalists

Communist = Wait are we talking about Marxist-Leninists? Assuming that you are i guess the easiest definition would be something like we believe in a dictatorship of the protectant and in the simple motto from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.

Fascism = So far right you might as well keep going. Still pro capitalist though

Nazi = A type of fascism.

Zionism = Also a type of Fascism as well except with Jews in place of white supremacists
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Why are conservatives simply right of center but liberals have an extra insidious layer?
 
there are various conservatives out there.
2 main paths.
Christian conservatives. Neocons. warmongers.
and constitutional conservatives. Those that lean libertarian.
 
ions said:
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Getting a bit hysterical ions
 
ions said:
I hear the libtards keep referring to us as authoritarian.
The last administration wanted to control what you did.
Trump 47 is trying to let you live your best life. Be your best self. without the overreach of big government.
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Yep we saw Trump and Biden and Biden wanted to take freedom and everything went up in price and the regressives are hysterical because even though they are the minority of voters, they don't care because democracy is a stepping stone to socialism to them and then Communism and then a dictator.
 
wait wait.... there are magists that don't see how fucking authoritarian his admin is?

wild.

truly maga is either uninformed or they PRAY for that authoritarian cock
 
Seriously, some of yawl need to laugh; it really does the body good, less cortazol.
 
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Cheshire_Kat said:
@alasdairm, Trump has categorically denied supporting or having anything to do with Project 2025 at the debate with Kamala Harris. I think we can safely put his support for that down as not being true. There is enough to talk about not voting for Trump without having to make things up, don't you think?
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hey c_k,

i was reminded of this by something i saw on youtube today.

at the time i refuted your suggesting that i was making things up but you never replied to the message.

we're now 5 months on from that exchange and 2 months into trump's administration.

based on what you've seen in that time, do you still accept trump's categorial denial that he supported or had anything to do with project 2025?

alasdair
 
They were just conservative policy proposals that the Heritage Foundation packaged together and named it Project 2025, and Trump is simply enacting some of those conservative policies while not having been personally involved in developing the Heritage Foundations Project 2025
 
If a group of people make a shopping list with items I also like, then I'll end up buying some of those items when I'm at the store, without ever being involved in creating the shopping list
 
Electrum1 said:
They were just conservative policy proposals that the Heritage Foundation packaged together and named it Project 2025, and Trump is simply enacting some of those conservative policies while not having been personally involved in developing the Heritage Foundations Project 2025
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maybe. but almost certainly not.

he didn't say he hadn't been personally involved. indeed, i never said he'd been personally involved. but he did say he had "no idea who is behind" project 2025 which is demonstrably more b.s.

i appreciate your acting the apologist for trump but i was rather more interested in c_k's perspective a few months on from his original statement.

alasdair
 
I don't need to be an apologist to understand that you said "supported or had anything to do with project 2025?" which obviously would include "personally involved"
 
Electrum1 said:
They were just conservative policy proposals that the Heritage Foundation packaged together and named it Project 2025, and Trump is simply enacting some of those conservative policies while not having been personally involved in developing the Heritage Foundations Project 2025
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I agree with you, I think trump just has people who do the thinking parts for him. He's an obese antedeluvian, his cognition is primarily focused on "winning" - other people deal with the Project 2025 stuff, and he knows who those people are and lets them take care of it.

His sons are the ones running all the crypto empire stuff, they're just trying to create succession.
 
alasdairm said:
did you read post 165?

the idea that trump knew absolutely nothing of this until the 20th january 2025 is pretty ridiculous (and demonstrably untrue).

alasdair
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I honestly think he operates under a vague haze of plausible deniability... the guy isn't the most corpos mentis..... he had a general idea because he knows what the people he works with are all about, but I don't think he spent time discussing it and researching it in the way that the brain trust did. He knew and he didn't, but basically he's following it exactly as planned because that's been the plan all along. Whether he wrote the thing himself or had consultants that he vibes with decide for him is kind of the same thing in the end anyway.
 
tryptakid said:
he's following it exactly as planned because that's been the plan all along
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exactly. the idea that the first he heard of this was the day he became president so he then decides to implement large parts of it is laughable.

i think we agree :)

tryptakid said:
Whether he wrote the thing himself
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i don't think anybody - and certainly not me - is saying that.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
the idea that the first he heard of this was the day he became president so he then decides to implement large parts of it is laughable.
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Sounds like it's just some idea that you are acting like a lot of people believe, when it's an idea that is easy to disprove, since he said "I have nothing to do with Project 2025" on September 10th 2024, so he obviously heard about it before he became president again on January 20th 2025
 
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