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Stimulants The Complete Lay Guide To Dextro-/Levo-/Meth(L-,D-,) Amphetamines (Dextroamphetamine, Levoamphetamine, Methamphetamine)

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The Complete Lay Guide To Dextro-/Levo-/Meth(L-,D-,) Amphetamines. Revision 1.1

Written By: Twisted_Chemist, PhD and Sssnake, PhD

I wrote this up because I keep seeing new amphetamine discussions popping up about different kinds of amphetamines (mostly prescribed ones) and many people are giving out incomplete or just wrong information. I have tried to write this so it is easy for anyone to get the basics, as well as some more advanced info for those who wish to do further research.

For common doses people take, see section 6.2 and 6.3. Know your limits.

Obligatory Note:
I am not a medical doctor or healthcare provider. Nothing I say should be considered medical advice. Everything provided here is solely for research and education.
Both Amphetamine and Methamphetamine are highly addictive and have become endemic in most parts of the world. While generally safe when used by itself, mixing amphetamines with other drugs can be fatal.

Misuse of amphetamines can cause serious cardiovascular problems, including increased blood pressure and heart rate, stroke, and heart attack.


According to the FDA's reporting information, at therapeutic doses, there have been 17 cases of sudden death in people taking only amphetamines, and 35 reports of cardiovascular or stroke problems.

Those who died from sudden death were reported to have structural anomalies in their heart that were unknown to them.

1. Introduction

Amphetamines and methamphetamine are potent central nervous system (CNS) stimulants with both therapeutic and recreational uses. This guide provides an overview of the mechanisms of action, pharmacodynamics, and pharmacokinetics of these substances, emphasizing the differences between their isomeric forms, reported effects when used as prescribed, and the distinction between medical-grade methamphetamine and street methamphetamine.

Amphetamines were first synthesized in 1887 by Romanian chemist Lazăr Edeleanu, but their stimulant properties were not recognized until the 1920s when American chemist Gordon Alles rediscovered them. Amphetamine, marketed as Benzedrine, was introduced in the 1930s for the treatment of nasal congestion and asthma. During World War II, amphetamines were widely used by military personnel to combat fatigue and improve alertness. Post-war, amphetamines became popular as a treatment for a variety of conditions, including depression, obesity, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). However, their potential for abuse and addiction became apparent in the 1960s, leading to increased regulation and control. Despite this, amphetamines continue to be used therapeutically under strict medical supervision, primarily for ADHD and narcolepsy, while also being widely abused for their stimulant effects.


2. Methamphetamine and Amphetamine Isomers and Their Differences

2.1 Racemic Amphetamine
(Amphetamine Sulfate, Amphetamine Aspartate Monohydrate):

Racemic amphetamine is a 1:1 mixture of dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine. The combination provides a balanced effect, with dextroamphetamine contributing more to CNS stimulation and levoamphetamine affecting peripheral systems. The therapeutic use of racemic amphetamine, such as in the treatment of ADHD and narcolepsy, benefits from this combination as it provides both cognitive enhancement and peripheral stimulation, such as improved physical energy levels and respiratory function.

Reported Effects When Used as Directed:

- Increased focus and attention span
- Improved wakefulness and reduction of excessive daytime sleepiness
- Mild elevation in mood
- Potential cardiovascular effects such as increased heart rate and blood pressure

2.1.1 Adderall (Mixed Amphetamine Salts)

Adderall is a widely prescribed medication for ADHD and narcolepsy. It is a mixture of several amphetamine salts, providing a balanced and sustained effect on both cognitive and physical energy levels. The medication contains a combination of four salts that together equal 75% dextroamphetamine and 25% levoamphetamine.

Salts Included in Adderall:

Dextroamphetamine Saccharate: A salt form of dextroamphetamine, contributing to the potent CNS stimulant effects.

Amphetamine Aspartate Monohydrate: A racemic mixture that provides both dextro- and levoamphetamine, offering a balance of effects.

Dextroamphetamine Sulfate: Another form of dextroamphetamine, enhancing the overall psychostimulant properties.

Amphetamine Sulfate: A racemic mixture, similar to the aspartate salt, providing both CNS and peripheral effects.

Reported Effects When Used as Directed:

Significant improvement in attention, focus, and hyperactivity symptoms in ADHD patients
Increased wakefulness and reduced sleep attacks in narcolepsy
Enhanced cognitive performance in tasks requiring sustained attention

Possible side effects including insomnia, loss of appetite, and dry mouth

Bioavailability (Same for both Dextroamphetamine and Levoamphetamine):

Oral: 90-95%.
Intranasal: 70-80%
Smoked: research suggests up 100%
Intravenous: ~100%
Rectal: 90-95%

Onset of action is 45 mins oral and 30 minutes intranasal. For best intranasal results, snort with sterile water. Amphetamines are water soluble at a ratio of 1.74 mg/mL

Note for IV Use: Do not crush up a pill and inject it, it's just not worth the risk of losing your limbs or your life.

2.2 Dextroamphetamine

Dextroamphetamine, the more active enantiomer of amphetamine, has a higher affinity for CNS receptors, particularly the dopamine and norepinephrine transporters. This results in stronger cognitive effects, such as enhanced concentration, alertness, and mental clarity. Dextroamphetamine is commonly prescribed for ADHD and narcolepsy and is found in medications like Adderall and Dexedrine.

Reported Effects When Used as Directed:

- Significant improvement in attention, focus, and hyperactivity symptoms in ADHD patients
- Increased wakefulness and reduced sleep attacks in narcolepsy
- Enhanced cognitive performance in tasks requiring sustained attention
- Possible side effects including insomnia, loss of appetite, and dry mouth

Binding Sites (advanced):

The strong binding to dopamine transporters (DAT) makes dextroamphetamine particularly potent in enhancing cognitive function and mood, which is why it is more commonly used in the treatment of ADHD and narcolepsy.

Dextroamphetamine also has a high affinity for the norepinephrine transporter (NET), leading to increased levels of norepinephrine in the brain. This contributes to its effects on alertness, attention, and physical energy.

It has moderate affinity for the serotonin transporter (SERT), leading to slight increases in serotonin levels. However, this effect is relatively minor compared to its action on DAT and NET. The modest impact on serotonin levels may contribute slightly to mood elevation but is not the primary mechanism of action for dextroamphetamine.

The action on adrenergic receptors in the CNS enhances its overall stimulant effects, while peripheral effects are relatively mild.

Dextroamphetamine primarily acts on the CNS, making it more effective for cognitive enhancement, attention, and mood elevation. It has a stronger effect on dopamine and norepinephrine levels in the brain compared to that of Levoamphetamine.

2.3 Levoamphetamine

Levoamphetamine, though less potent in CNS effects compared to dextroamphetamine, has a stronger impact on peripheral adrenergic systems. It acts more on the cardiovascular and respiratory systems, making it less effective as a sole treatment for CNS-related conditions but useful when combined with dextroamphetamine to provide a broader range of effects.

Reported Effects When Used as Directed:

- Mild CNS stimulation, less intense than dextroamphetamine
- More pronounced peripheral effects, such as increased heart rate and bronchodilation
- Contributes to the overall therapeutic effects of racemic amphetamine by balancing CNS and peripheral stimulation

Binding Sites (advanced):

Due to its lower affinity for DAT, levoamphetamine is less effective at increasing dopamine levels in the brain, leading to milder stimulant effects. It contributes more to physical stimulation and peripheral effects rather than cognitive enhancement.

The moderate affinity for NET by levoamphetamine leads to stronger peripheral effects such as increased heart rate and blood pressure, which are more pronounced than its CNS effects. This is why levoamphetamine is often associated with physical stimulation rather than cognitive enhancement. The low affinity for SERT means that levoamphetamine does not significantly influence mood or emotional states through serotonin pathways.

Levoamphetamine has a more pronounced effect on peripheral adrenergic receptors, leading to increased heart rate, blood pressure, and other physical symptoms associated with adrenergic stimulation.

It has a greater impact on the periphery nervous system then it's right handed cousin, leading to physical stimulation such as increased heart rate and blood pressure. Its CNS effects are weaker, making it less effective for cognitive and attention-related issues.

2.4 Racemic Methamphetamine

Just like it's parent drug, racemic methamphetamine is made up of a 1:1 ratio of both dextro- and Levo- methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is a substituted amphetamine.

Methamphetamine, particularly its d-isomer, is more potent than amphetamine due to its higher lipophilicity, which allows for faster CNS penetration and a more prolonged effect. Methamphetamine is prescribed less frequently due to its high potential for abuse but can be effective in treating severe ADHD and obesity. It is available in a prescription form under the brand name Desoxyn.

Reported Effects When Used as Directed:

- Strong CNS stimulation, leading to increased concentration, alertness, and wakefulness
- Enhanced mood and energy levels, often described as a "motivational boost"
- Potential side effects include increased blood pressure, anxiety, and potential for dependence
- Used under strict medical supervision due to its high potential for abuse and neurotoxicity

Bioavailability:

Oral: approximately 62% to 79%. This slightly lower bioavailability compared to dextroamphetamine is due to differences in metabolism and absorption.
Intranasal: 70-80% (best when administered in a solution of water)
Intravenous (IV): 100%
Inhalation (smoked): 90%
Rectal: 80%

On set of action varies by route of administration. IV, Snorted and Smoked are the fastest.

Binding Sites (advanced):

Levo-methamphetamine (l-methamphetamine):

It is the "left-handed" isomer of methamphetamine.

L-methamphetamine has weaker effects on the central nervous system (CNS) compared to d-methamphetamine. It primarily acts as a vasoconstrictor and bronchodilator, affecting the peripheral nervous system (PNS) rather than the brain. It has minimal euphoric or psychoactive effects.

Due to its peripheral actions, l-methamphetamine is often found in over-the-counter nasal decongestants in some countries (e.g., Vicks VapoInhaler). It helps clear nasal congestion by constricting blood vessels in the nasal passages.

It is not considered to be very recreational.

Dextro-methamphetamine (d-methamphetamine):

It is the "right-handed" isomer of methamphetamine.

D-methamphetamine is significantly more potent in the CNS and is primarily responsible for the stimulant and euphoric effects associated with methamphetamine use. It has a strong effect on increasing the release of dopamine, norepinephrine, and to a lesser extent, serotonin in the brain, leading to increased alertness, energy, and mood elevation. It also has a high potential for abuse and dependence.

D-methamphetamine has a high binding affinity for the dopamine transporter (DAT). It reverses the action of DAT, leading to an increased release of dopamine into the synaptic cleft. This results in the potent stimulant and euphoric effects commonly associated with methamphetamine use.

D-methamphetamine also has a high affinity for the norepinephrine transporter (NET), increasing norepinephrine levels in the brain. This contributes to heightened alertness, increased heart rate, and elevated blood pressure.

It has a moderate affinity for the serotonin transporter (SERT), increasing serotonin levels in the synaptic cleft. This may contributes to mood elevation and the empathogenic effects sometimes associated with its use, but is not the primary mechanism of action.

It also binds to adrenergic receptors both centrally and peripherally, leading to increased blood pressure, heart rate, and other sympathetic nervous system responses.

Overall D-methamphetamine primarily affects the CNS due to its high affinity for DAT, NET, and to a lesser extent, SERT. This results in its strong psychoactive and stimulant effects.

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3. Comparison of Amphetamines: Mechanistic Differences and Clinical Effects

3.1 Mechanistic Differences-

Dextroamphetamine: Highly selective for CNS targets, leading to pronounced cognitive and mood-enhancing effects. It has a high affinity for the dopamine transporter (DAT) and norepinephrine transporter (NET), facilitating increased neurotransmitter release and reuptake inhibition

Levoamphetamine:

Exhibits stronger peripheral effects due to its action on adrenergic receptors in the cardiovascular and respiratory systems. It has a lower affinity for CNS transporters compared to dextroamphetamine, leading to less pronounced effects on mood and cognition.

d-Methamphetamine:

Methamphetamine is unique in its rapid CNS penetration due to its high lipophilicity. It acts similarly to dextroamphetamine but with greater potency, leading to more intense and prolonged effects. Methamphetamine's stronger action on VMAT2 (vesicular monoamine transporter 2) results in higher dopamine release, which contributes to its stronger euphoric effects and higher abuse potential.

3.2 CNS vs. Peripheral Action

CNS Action
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Dextroamphetamine and d-methamphetamine are more focused on CNS effects, which include improved attention, increased cognitive function, and elevated mood. Methamphetamine’s effects are more intense and long-lasting due to its pharmacokinetic properties.

Peripheral Action: Levoamphetamine has more significant effects on peripheral adrenergic systems, influencing heart rate, blood pressure, and respiratory function. This makes it more suitable for applications where peripheral stimulation is desired, though its CNS effects are less pronounced.

3.3 Prescription Uses and Clinical Considerations

Dextroamphetamine:

Primarily used for ADHD and narcolepsy. Its cognitive-enhancing effects make it a preferred choice for managing attention deficits and sleep disorders.

Racemic Amphetamine:

Used in ADHD and narcolepsy, offering a balanced approach with both CNS and peripheral stimulation. It is beneficial for patients who may need both cognitive and physical activation.

Methamphetamine (Medical Grade):

Used in severe cases of ADHD and obesity where other treatments have failed. Due to its high abuse potential, it is prescribed under strict medical supervision and in limited dosages.

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4. Medical-Grade Methamphetamine vs. Street Methamphetamine

4.1 Purity and Composition

Medical-grade methamphetamine, such as Desoxyn, is manufactured under strict pharmaceutical standards, ensuring a high level of purity and precise dosing. It contains only the d-isomer of methamphetamine, which is responsible for its therapeutic effects.

Street methamphetamine, on the other hand, is typically produced in illicit laboratories with poor quality control. It often contains a mixture of d- and l-isomers, along with numerous impurities and toxic byproducts resulting from the unregulated manufacturing process. These impurities can include dangerous chemicals such as battery acid, ammonia, and various solvents.

4.2 Pharmacological Differences

The presence of impurities and the l-isomer in street methamphetamine can lead to different and often more dangerous effects compared to the medical-grade version. The l-isomer has more pronounced peripheral effects and less CNS activity, which can lead to increased cardiovascular strain without the cognitive benefits seen with the d-isomer.

4.3 Health Risks

Street methamphetamine is associated with a higher risk of acute and chronic health issues, including cardiovascular problems, neurotoxicity, and addiction. The presence of toxic impurities can also cause severe health complications, such as kidney and liver damage, respiratory issues, and increased risk of infections from injection use.

Medical-grade methamphetamine, when used as directed, has a more predictable safety profile. However, due to its high potential for abuse, it is prescribed with caution, and patients are closely monitored to prevent misuse.

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5. Other ADD/ADHD meds, prodrugs and related compounds.

In addition to the traditional amphetamines, there are other substances that are prodrugs for amphetamines or have similar modes of action that are used for the same reason.

5.1 Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse)

Lisdexamfetamine is a long acting prodrug of dextroamphetamine, meaning it is metabolized in the body to produce the active dextroamphetamine. This conversion occurs gradually, providing a longer-lasting effect with a lower potential for abuse compared to immediate-release amphetamines. Lisdexamfetamine is completely converted to dextroamphetamine in circulation. Due to the complex nature of prodrugs, this does not mean dosing is 1:1.

Clarification: Since the conversion of lisdexamfetamine to dextroamphetamine leads to a slower, more sustained release of the active drug. This results in more stable and prolonged blood concentration of dextroamphetamine at lower levels.

Uses:

- ADHD treatment, offering extended duration of action, making it suitable for once-daily dosing
- Approved for the treatment of binge eating disorder in adults

Side Effects:

- Common side effects include insomnia, decreased appetite, dry mouth, and anxiety
- Lower risk of abuse due to its prodrug nature, but it can still lead to dependence with prolonged use

5.2 Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta)

Methylphenidate is structurally different from amphetamines but functions similarly by blocking the reuptake of dopamine and norepinephrine, leading to increased concentrations of these neurotransmitters in the brain. It is a commonly prescribed stimulant for ADHD and narcolepsy.

Uses:

- Widely used for ADHD management, particularly in children and adolescents
- Also prescribed for narcolepsy and, in some cases, for depression and cognitive enhancement in elderly patients

Side Effects:

- Insomnia, appetite loss, increased heart rate, and anxiety
- Potential for abuse, particularly with immediate-release formulations

5.3 Modafinil (Provigil)

Modafinil is a wakefulness-promoting agent that, while not an amphetamine, is often used in similar contexts to treat sleep disorders. It is believed to work by modulating dopamine levels and possibly affecting other neurotransmitter systems. It has been study for the treatment of ADHD.

Uses:

- Primary treatment for narcolepsy, shift work sleep disorder, and obstructive sleep apnea-related daytime sleepiness
- Off-label use includes cognitive enhancement and treatment of ADHD

Side Effects:

- Headache, nausea, nervousness, and dizziness
- Lower potential for abuse compared to traditional stimulants, though it can still lead to dependency in some cases

5.4 Atomoxetine (Strattera)

Atomoxetine is a selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (NRI) that is used as a non-stimulant option for ADHD treatment. It does not carry the same abuse potential as traditional stimulants, making it a safer option for some patients.

Uses:

- ADHD treatment, particularly in patients where stimulant medications are contraindicated or ineffective
- Can be used in both children and adults

Side Effects:

- Common side effects include fatigue, gastrointestinal upset, and decreased appetite
- Less effective for immediate symptom relief compared to stimulants, but beneficial for long-term management

5.5 Phentermine

Phentermine is an appetite suppressant that acts similarly to amphetamines by stimulating the release of norepinephrine in the hypothalamus, which reduces hunger signals.

Uses:

- Short-term treatment of obesity in conjunction with diet and exercise
- Often used in combination with other weight-loss medications for enhanced effect

Side Effects:

- Increased heart rate, dry mouth, insomnia, and potential for addiction
- Not recommended for long-term use due to cardiovascular risks

5.7 Dexmethylphenidate (Focalin)

Dexmethylphenidate is the dextrorotatory isomer of methylphenidate, offering similar effects but with potentially lower required doses. It is used primarily in the treatment of ADHD.

Uses:

- ADHD treatment, often preferred in cases where methylphenidate is effective but a more potent formulation is needed

Side Effects:

- Similar to methylphenidate, including insomnia, decreased appetite, and increased heart rate
- Potential for abuse, though somewhat mitigated by its formulation

6. Harm Reduction and Dosage Information (WIP)

Amphetamines and related stimulant drugs are widely used both in medical settings and recreationally. While they can be effective therapeutic agents, they also carry significant risks, especially when misused. This section provides information on harm reduction strategies, typical prescribed doses, and the dosages commonly taken by those who abuse these drugs.

6.1 Harm Reduction Strategies

Harm reduction approaches aim to minimize the negative health, social, and legal impacts associated with drug use. For amphetamines and substituted cathinones, these strategies include:

Dose Reduction: Users who are dependent or regularly use high doses might consider gradually reducing their intake to minimize withdrawal symptoms and adverse effects.

If you suspect someone is experiencing an amphetamine overdose, it is crucial to seek emergency medical assistance immediately. While waiting for medical help:

Ensure the person is in a safe position: Place them on their side in the recovery position to prevent aspiration if they vomit.

Monitor vital signs: Keep track of their breathing, pulse, and consciousness.

Do not leave them alone: Stay with the person until medical help arrives.

Education on the signs of amphetamine overdose—such as chest pain, severe agitation, seizures, and loss of consciousness and other may help save a life.

6.2 Typical Prescribed Doses of Amphetamines and Related Drugs

Prescribed doses of amphetamines and related stimulants vary depending on the specific condition being treated, the patient's age, weight, and tolerance level, as well as the formulation of the drug (immediate-release vs. extended-release). Below are the typical starting doses for some common amphetamines:

Dextroamphetamine:

ADHD in Children and Adolescents: Starting dose is typically 5 mg once or twice daily, with adjustments made based on response and tolerance. Maximum daily dose generally does not exceed 40 mg.

ADHD in Adults: Starting dose is usually 10 mg daily, with gradual increases. Maximum daily dose is typically around 60 mg.

Narcolepsy: Starting dose is 5 mg daily, with increases as needed. Doses of up to 60 mg per day may be used

Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse):

ADHD: Starting dose is 30 mg once daily, with possible increases in increments of 10-20 mg. Maximum dose is 70 mg daily.

Binge Eating Disorder: Typically starts at 30 mg daily, titrated to a maximum of 70 mg daily based on patient response.

Methamphetamine (Desoxyn):

ADHD dosing: Initial dose is 5 mg daily, with increases as needed. Maximum doses are generally not recommended to exceed 25 mg per day due to the high potential for abuse and adverse effects.

Obesity: 5 mg before each meal, though this is rarely prescribed due to concerns about safety and dependency.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta):

Starting dose for immediate-release formulations is 5 mg twice daily, with adjustments made based on response. Extended-release formulations are usually started at 18-36 mg once daily, with a maximum dose of 72 mg daily.

Phentermine:

Obesity: Typically prescribed at doses of 15-37.5 mg once daily before breakfast or 1-2 hours after breakfast. Used short-term (a few weeks) as part of a weight loss program.

6.3 Doses Commonly Taken For Recreational Use

When amphetamines and related substances are abused, doses often exceed prescribed amounts significantly, leading to a higher risk of adverse effects, including overdose. The following are common recreational doses. These doses are averages and based on self-reported data


Dextroamphetamine and Methamphetamine:

Recreational Dose: Doses often range from 20 mg to 100 mg or more in a single session. Chronic users may consume even higher doses, upwards of 200 mg per day or more.

Common first dose for Dextroamphetamine: 30-40 MG
Duration: About 4-6 hours for, with peak effects last 1-2 hours

Common first dose for Methamphetamine: 15-20 MG (Oral) 5-10 MG (Snorted/smoked) 2-3mg for IV.

Duration: Up to 24 hours, with peak effects lasting up to 6 hours depending on route of administration. Smoked, IV and snorted lasting the least amount of time, with IV only lasting about an hour.

Binge Use: Users may take multiple doses over a short period, leading to extremely high cumulative doses (e.g., 500 mg or more within a day), which greatly increases the risk of severe side effects, including paranoia, aggression, and cardiovascular complications.

Lisdexamfetamine:

Recreational Dose: Some users report crushing and ingesting large amounts to cause more of the drug to be converted in the body at once for a faster effect. Doses can reach 100 mg or more, far exceeding safe levels. Most people do not get the effect they were hoping for.

Common first does: 60-80 mg
Duration: 12-13 hours, most user report little to no peak like effects.

Methylphenidate:

Recreational Dose: Doses can range from 20 mg to 100 mg or more, especially when taken in rapid succession. Users may crush and snort the medication to intensify its effects, increasing the risk of respiratory and cardiovascular issues.

Common first dose: 15-40 mg (snorted), 40-60 mg (oral)
Duration: 3-4 hours with peak lasting 1-1.5 hours.

6.4 Summary of Harm Reduction for Amphetamines and Cathinones

Start Low and Go Slow: Users are advised to start with the lowest possible dose and gradually increase if necessary, paying close attention to their body’s response. Just remember, you can always take more, but you can't take less.

Avoid Mixing Substances: Combining amphetamines with other stimulants or depressants can amplify risks and unpredictability of effects.

Stay Hydrated: Especially with MDMA or other stimulants that increase activity levels, maintaining hydration is crucial to prevent hyperthermia and dehydration.

Seek Support: Access to medical and psychological support is critical for those who are struggling with dependence or experiencing severe side effects.
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I am still working on section 6, but for the most part, this guide is complete. I tried to keep it as basic as possible. If you see an error, something that should be added or anything else. Let me know.

Stay safe and Stay High
 
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Thank you for this.
Were does Amphetamine Sulphate fit into the above?

The real name may actually be one of the above but I'm asking about the stuff that was common (in the UK at least) in the 90's, the wizz in the "Sorted for E's and Wizz" sense.
 
I wonder how much Amphetamine was involved in the typing up of this guide to stimulants? Talk about making yourself a character in the story.:cool:

Solid information for sure. Thanks for taking the time to gather all of the information together. I know a lot of folks here will appreciate it and learn from it.

There is one small detail I noticed regarding Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse). You stated Lisdexamfetamine is converted to Dextroamphetamine at a rate of ~98%. I believe the conversion is ~40% so for instance, a1mg Lisdexamfetamine = 0.4mg Dexedrine.

@24HourPangolin what you're describing is a euro-centric phenomenon. I've heard it referred to as "paste" by a lot of people. From everything that I have read, it seems like this stuff is often racemic Amphetamine. The texture is allegedly due to incomplete/incompetent chemistry. It's known to be generally low quality and contain unwanted or potentially toxic byproducts.

It's difficult with street Amphetamine paste as the purity is going to change constantly. If we were talking about a "pure" batch of racemic Amphetamine, then you could say it is 50% the potency of Dextroamphetamine to determine appropriate dosage. You can look at speed paste as having all of the features of Dextroamphetamine, but with the added effects of Levoamphetamine. L-Amphetamine is a peripheral nervous system stimulant that you could reasonably compare to Caffeine in effects. It will cause increased heart rate, tension etc. For people using Amphetamines recreationally, this extra stimulation is often unwanted and contributory to feelings of being overstimulated. Thus, Dextroamphetamine would be considered a "cleaner", preferable drug to racemic Amphetamine.
 
Thank you for this.
Were does Amphetamine Sulphate fit into the above?

The real name may actually be one of the above but I'm asking about the stuff that was common (in the UK at least) in the 90's, the wizz in the "Sorted for E's and Wizz" sense.
Amphetamine Sulfate is usually what they call the 1:1 racemic mixture.

As far as the racemic amphetamine paste goes, depending on purity, should be a 50% Dextro and 50% Levo. It's drug profile is pretty close to Adderall for dosing and effects. It will be a little more jittery though.

Note from my coauthor Sssnake: My personal experience with the paste was mid 90's in Ireland. It was a pretty pure racemic amphetamine paste and was highly popular with almost everyone looking for a pickup, in the club scene and with heavy drinkers so they could still drive. It was far more popular then meth and was more socially acceptable.

Personally, If I found this today, I would dose it similarly to dextroamphetamine or Adderall but start low. I would also test it for fentanyl, as it seems everything now is being tainted.
 
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I wonder how much Amphetamine was involved in the typing up of this guide to stimulants? Talk about making yourself a character in the story.:cool:

Solid information for sure. Thanks for taking the time to gather all of the information together. I know a lot of folks here will appreciate it and learn from it.

There is one small detail I noticed regarding Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse). You stated Lisdexamfetamine is converted to Dextroamphetamine at a rate of ~98%. I believe the conversion is ~40% so for instance, a1mg Lisdexamfetamine = 0.4mg Dexedrine.

@24HourPangolin what you're describing is a euro-centric phenomenon. I've heard it referred to as "paste" by a lot of people. From everything that I have read, it seems like this stuff is often racemic Amphetamine. The texture is allegedly due to incomplete/incompetent chemistry. It's known to be generally low quality and contain unwanted or potentially toxic byproducts.

It's difficult with street Amphetamine paste as the purity is going to change constantly. If we were talking about a "pure" batch of racemic Amphetamine, then you could say it is 50% the potency of Dextroamphetamine to determine appropriate dosage. You can look at speed paste as having all of the features of Dextroamphetamine, but with the added effects of Levoamphetamine. L-Amphetamine is a peripheral nervous system stimulant that you could reasonably compare to Caffeine in effects. It will cause increased heart rate, tension etc. For people using Amphetamines recreationally, this extra stimulation is often unwanted and contributory to feelings of being overstimulated. Thus, Dextroamphetamine would be considered a "cleaner", preferable drug to racemic Amphetamine.

What you are thinking of is the equivalent dose i.e. how now much lisdexamfetamine does it take to have the same effect of dextroamphetamine, while influenced by the conversion, it is not the same thing.



I'll try to clarify that section in the guide. Thanks for pointing that out. Also yes, I do take lots of amphetamines lol. I'm extremely ADHD, been on dexies since about 91. I love my damp, don't touch meth tho.
 
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What if you drink a glass of water with baking soda in it ? How much does that increase the effect ?
 
What if you drink a glass of water with baking soda in it ? How much does that increase the effect ?

That's a really hard question to answer without knowing your body. Things like how acidic is your diet, how healthy is your gut biome etc all factor into this. It is also not well studied, so different studies vary on how much of an effect taking a base before your dose effects it's absorption.

For me, if I am trying to get a boost from my dexies, I'll take 3-4 Tums about 20 minutes before my dose.

If you are using Sodium bicarbonate (Baking soda), make sure to follow the directions for heartburn on the container. This is usually enough for a good boost in absorption and a nice sized belch. Unlike Tums, Sodium bicarbonate neutralizes stomach acid by reacting with hydrochloric acid to produce sodium chloride, water, and carbon dioxide.

Some Harm reduction:

Sodium bicarbonate is usually harmless when used as directed, but if you ignore the dosage, it can have some pretty nasty side effects such a seizures. Long term use can lead to a condition known as, alkalosis, causing symptoms like muscle twitching, hand tremor, nausea, and confusion.

Generally speaking Tums has a safer side effect profile, but as long as you are not using sodium bicarb everyday or multiple times a day (more then recommended) and following the dosage guidelines, you shouldn't have any issues.

The more you know!
 
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Does that go for all the dopamine receptors or just the D2 ?

I linked the study in reply to another post, it's a pretty interesting read, the study is based on the study of the D2 in those that suffer from schizophrenia. One of the drugs studied was amphetamines.

Background: The dopamine D2 receptor is the common target for antipsychotics, and the antipsychotic clinical doses correlate with their affinities for this receptor. Antipsychotics quickly enter the brain to occupy 60–80% of brain D2 receptors in patients (the agonist aripiprazole occupies up to 90%), with most clinical improvement occurring within a few days. The D2 receptor can exist in a state of high‐affinity (D2High) or in a state of low‐affinity for dopamine (D2Low).

Aim: is to review why individuals with schizophrenia are generally supersensitive to dopamine‐like drugs such as amphetamine or methyphenidate, and whether the D2High state is a common basis for dopamine supersensitivity in the animal models of schizophrenia.
 
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What's the circuit/region significance of the d2 receptor for the positive symptoms of schizophrenia?

Overactivity of dopamine signaling through D2 receptors in the mesolimbic pathway is believed to be a key factor in the manifestation of positive symptoms of schizophrenia. This hyperdopaminergic state leads to excessive dopamine transmission, which may result in the misinterpretation of stimuli and the generation of abnormal thoughts and perceptions.
 
Isn't d2 inhibitory?
Yes, D2 receptors are indeed inhibitory, but their role in the pathophysiology of schizophrenia, particularly in relation to the positive symptoms, is complex and involves multiple neural circuits and mechanisms. This is more a DM discussion since it is a off topic discussion, but I will continue.

Despite the inhibitory nature of D2 receptors, the overall effect in schizophrenia involves hyperactivity of dopaminergic signaling in the mesolimbic pathway (from the ventral tegmental area to the nucleus accumbens and other limbic structures). This is thought to be due to excessive dopamine release and increased stimulation of D2 receptors in these regions.

This hyperactivity leads to enhanced stimulation of postsynaptic D2 receptors, contributing to the development of positive symptoms.
 
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I thought some of the responsibility of hallucinations in schizophrenia came from the circuits in the basal ganglia, perhaps I'm misremembering?
 
I thought some of the responsibility of hallucinations in schizophrenia came from the circuits in the basal ganglia, perhaps I'm misremembering?

It does. The basal ganglia, particularly the striatum (which includes the caudate nucleus and putamen), are deeply involved in processing motor, cognitive, and emotional information. The striatum is rich in dopamine receptors, particularly D2 receptors, and it plays a significant role in modulating the flow of information through the brain's cortical and subcortical circuits.

The role of D2 receptors in schizophrenia involves a delicate balance. While D2 receptors are inhibitory at the cellular level, the overall dopaminergic activity in the brain regions involved in schizophrenia is abnormally high, leading to overstimulation of these receptors.

The thalamus acts as a relay station in this circuit, and its dysregulation due to altered striatal input can further exacerbate the flow of abnormal sensory information to the cortex, which can be experienced as hallucinations.

The other major circuit is the the Cortico-Striato-Thalamo-Cortical circuit.
 
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Do you think D1 D2 heterodimerization plays a role?

That I wouldn't know, you've reached my limit of knowledge on the subject. I mostly just know the basics. But just guessing, I would say it could. The combined receptor complex exhibits unique signaling properties that are not simply a blend of D1 and D2 functions but rather a novel set of responses and this could cause further dysregulation and may contribute to the altered signaling seen in the disorder.

It's a Interesting question though.
 
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