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someguyontheinternet said:
Nobody is excusing Hamas, we're pointing out issues with Israel bombing huge amounts of civilians and doing ethnic cleansing. I'm not sure why this simple concept is so difficult to understand
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But you continue to overlook the fact that Hamas murdered over a thousand Israelis. You insist that Hamas are responding to occupation and this childish magical claim of "ethnic cleansing". You're saying that Hamas are only doing this because of Israeli aggression.
In other words, you're excusing it.

But these arguments cannot work when it comes to Hezbollah. Can't you see that just maybe Hamas are not actually doing what they do solely for the reasons they claim, but are in fact also motivated by good old Islamic antisemitism, just as Hezbollah is?
 
swilow said:
But you continue to overlook the fact that Hamas murdered over a thousand Israelis. You insist that Hamas are responding to occupation and this childish magical claim of "ethnic cleansing". You're saying that Hamas are only doing this because of Israeli aggression.
In other words, you're excusing it.

But these arguments cannot work when it comes to Hezbollah. Can't you see that just maybe Hamas are not actually doing what they do solely for the reasons they claim, but are in fact also motivated by good old Islamic antisemitism, just as Hezbollah is?
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And you continue to overlook that Israel has killed over 10,000 Palestinians. Weird huh. Should we go over the math on the likelihood of the majority of those deaths being Hamas vs civilians again? Or should you just go back and read that post?
 
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JahBeeuS said:
Well if Hezbollah and 2 million of their peers were quarantined to a 140 sq. mile area where their basic necessities were barely met and their ancestral homes were stripped from them they might get the same sort of excuses?
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Philadelphia is smaller by land area than the Gaza Strip and has a population of 1.6 million. So roughly comparable. Not sure what point you're making with that but just providing an example that it's really not that overpopulated for its size.

What person living in Gaza right now had their ancestral home stripped away from them? Those who did have their homes stripped away decades ago, whose fault is that? Not Israel's. Great Britain controlled that land and promised a home for the Jewish people there in 1917. In 1948 they ceded the land and Israel declared Independence-- and shortly after the surrounding Arab states attacked them.

Furthermore, there are Hebrew engravings that date back 2,800 years in Jerusalem. "Palestine" was created by the Romans hundreds of years later. What Palestine referred to then was much different than what it refers to now. There is no distinct sect of "Palestinians" with "an ancestral claim" to any specific plot of land.

As far as basic necessities being denied, it is well known that Hamas has funneled billions of dollars from various sources over the years into the construction of their military infrastructures and also to line their own pockets.

The people who control and "govern" the Gaza Strip (Hamas) have a stated goal of annihilating Israel. I do think given these circumstances it was quite reasonable for Israel to put in place some restrictions and safeguards? You know, in order to prevent it from becoming a proxy of Iran or Pakistan or some other Jew-hating, nuclear armed, Islamofascist regime.
 

BBC apologizes for false claim IDF targeting medical staff, Arabic speakers in Gaza​


The BBC apologizes after a presenter falsely claimed that Israel was targeting medical staff and Arabic speakers during its operation at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital.

“This was incorrect and misquoted a Reuters report,” the UK broadcaster later says. “What we should have said is that IDF forces included medical staff and Arabic speakers for this operation.”

“We apologize for this error which fell below our usual editorial standards. The correct version of events was broadcast minutes later,” the BBC says.
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That is not an accident. She repeats the lie twice back to back.
 
these fuckers are now praising osama bin laden and spreading conscpiaries about jewish people.

The world has gone totally fucking nuts falling for salafisit terrorist progangda
 
From the river to the sea

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mal3volent said:
Philadelphia is smaller by land area than the Gaza Strip and has a population of 1.6 million. So roughly comparable. Not sure what point you're making with that but just providing an example that it's really not that overpopulated for its size.
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Yea, but the people of Philadelphia can pick up and leave at any time they want to. They also have consistent electricty, running water, and fuel. The point is that the people in the Gaza Strip are stuck in a hopeless state. Seems disingenuous to equate what is going on there to Philadelphia.

mal3volent said:
The people who control and "govern" the Gaza Strip (Hamas) have a stated goal of annihilating Israel. I do think given these circumstances it was quite reasonable for Israel to put in place some restrictions and safeguards? You know, in order to prevent it from becoming a proxy of Iran or Pakistan or some other Jew-hating, nuclear armed, Islamofascist regime.
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So - why did leaders in the Israel State prop them up for so long?
 
JahBeeuS said:
Yea, but the people of Philadelphia can pick up and leave at any time they want to. They also have consistent electricty, running water, and fuel. The point is that the people in the Gaza Strip are stuck in a hopeless state. Seems disingenuous to equate what is going on there to Philadelphia.
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As I said, by referencing the population and land area you seemed to be inferring that they were packed in like sardines. The example I provided of a major American city that has identical metrics was just to counter that, nothing more. Not sure if you read my entire post but I made that pretty clear. (you skipped over a lot)

JahBeeuS said:
So - why did leaders in the Israel State prop them up for so long?
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Because they are bloodthirsty evil human beings who secretly wanted Hamas to attack Israel so that they'd have an excuse to genocide them? Is that what you're going for? Like how George Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks so he could invade Iraq and avenge his father?
 
mal3volent said:
Because they are bloodthirsty evil human beings who secretly wanted Hamas to attack Israel so that they'd have an excuse to genocide them? Is that what you're going for? Like how George Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks so he could invade Iraq and avenge his father?
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Next you're gonna tell me that Churchill didn't know that there was a U-Boat in the Lusitania's path?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Bullshit, it was literally just days in arabic
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Dude, the article literally says "the document was simply a list of dates and days of the week since Oct. 7 under the title “Al Aqsa Flood Battle,” Hamas’ name for the attack, along with the Oct. 7, 2023, date". Whatever the actual truth of the document, its pretty clear it was created by and significant to Hamas.
 
swilow said:
Dude, the article literally says "the document was simply a list of dates and days of the week since Oct. 7 under the title “Al Aqsa Flood Battle,” Hamas’ name for the attack, along with the Oct. 7, 2023, date". Whatever the actual truth of the document, its pretty clear it was created by and significant to Hamas.
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I guess Israel blatantly lying just doesn't matte to you, interesting. And it doesn't matter if that's Hamas' name for it? Why on earth would it?

Anywho, the Gazan health ministry has been shown to not lie 🤔

abcnews.go.com

EXPLAINER: What is Gaza's Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war's death toll?

As the Israel-Hamas war rages, international and local monitoring groups in Gaza have been unable to keep up
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

www.vox.com

The death toll from Gaza, explained

Real-time fatality counts from conflict zones like Gaza are almost never right. Pay attention to them anyway.
www.vox.com www.vox.com
 
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