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arrall said:
www.reuters.com

Gaza death toll tops 10,000; UN calls it a children's graveyard

Gaza is becoming a "graveyard for children", U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres said on Monday, amplifying demands for a ceasefire in the enclave, where Palestinian health authorities said the death toll from Israeli strikes had exceeded 10,000.
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41% of the deaths have been children.
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That's not what I meant... I'm aware Hamas says there's 4,000 dead children. My point in the post you quoted was to say...well, just go back and read it again I guess. I can't say it an clearer.

The body count totals are supposedly verified, but the age demographics aren't and the combatant/non combatant statuses aren't, either.

Meaning the total number could be made up of 50% dead terrorists, but Hamas health officials choose to list them as civilians to serve their propaganda objectives. Maybe they inflate the number of children dead too.

A third party analysis verifying total body count wouldn't account for these important details and discrepancies.
 
mal3volent said:
I never claimed they were completely analogous in every way.

But to be completely honest if you want to weigh victim points, I think it's no contest who has the larger grievance.

My point in all this being: if you look at the religious persuasions of each group, one has a "glory to the martyrs" theme and one doesn't. One has an infidel-killing warlord as it's prophet , the other doesn't.

Maybe that has a little to do with it?

For some reason we are allowed to openly criticize every other religion on Earth, but this one in particular, you're bigoted if you apply the same treatment. You have all these clueless college kids who support The Current Thing chanting violent antisemitic phrases, who have no idea what they're talking about. They just parrot what social media tells them to think without any critical thought or moral consistency whatsoever.

Wars have been fought since the beginning of civilization. Every bit of land has been contested a thousand times over. Israel isn't going away. The world ought to be united in denouncing Hamas , demanding they release the hostages, and surrendering. At the very least, they need to show a willingness to release their victims before any cease fire is considered.
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Judaism is christianity before christ. It's the old testament.

It's not pretty. It has murder, rape, evil, brutality and tyranny as divinity. It basically has infidel-killing warlord as god...

Islam may be even worse sure
 
Mjäll said:
Judaism is christianity before christ. It's the old testament.

It's not pretty. It has murder, rape, evil, brutality and tyranny as divinity. It basically has infidel-killing warlord as god...

Islam may be even worse sure
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Great point-- but do you see Christian terror cells popping up anywhere? (No, the US military doesn't count, we are a secular nation and if you don't appreciate that fact you need to reevaluate your ungrateful mindset) The closest thing we have is the KKK which is a joke nowadays. Find the craziest backwoods Christian fundamentalist group in the country, they are never going to commit violence on a massive scale.

Christianity modernized itself. A lot of churches now even accept the gays and the trans. They don't kill heretics or apostates, either.
 
mal3volent said:
Great point-- but do you see Christian terror cells popping up anywhere? (No, the US military doesn't count, we are a secular nation and if you don't appreciate that fact you need to reevaluate your ungrateful mindset) The closest thing we have is the KKK which is a joke nowadays. Find the craziest backwoods Christian fundamentalist group in the country, they are never going to commit violence on a massive scale.

Christianity modernized itself. A lot of churches now even accept the gays and the trans. They don't kill heretics or apostates, either.
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I'm not sure how you read my post as a criticism of christianity.

Judaism is christianity without christ, i.e the terror of the old testament god without christian peaceful revision. My point was criticism of judaism. Judaism and islam are the two main religions at play in thread topic and you were defending the central concept of judaism comparing it very favorably to islam while imo both are repulsively primitive at their core.
 
Mjäll said:
I'm not sure how you read my post as a criticism of christianity.

Judaism is christianity without christ, i.e the terror of the old testament god without christian peaceful revision. My point was criticism of judaism. Judaism and islam are the two main religions at play in thread topic and you were defending the central concept of judaism comparing it very favorably to islam while imo both are repulsively primitive at their core.
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ok my apologies. All the same points apply to modern day Judaism too though, at least to my knowledge. Even in Israel they accept everyone. You don't see Jewish terror cells intentionally killing babies and raping women, do you?

Many Jews aren't even religious.
 
mal3volent said:
ok my apologies. All the same points apply to modern day Judaism too though, at least to my knowledge. Even in Israel they accept everyone. You don't see Jewish terror cells intentionally killing babies and raping women, do you?

Many Jews aren't even religious.
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They needed their biblical mythical homeland. That's a kind of fundamentalism.

I was addressing your comparison of core values in old religions. I'm not saying there are jewish terror cells.

As said i can agree that islam is worse in practice today.
 
Mjäll said:
They needed their biblical mythical homeland. That's a kind of fundamentalism.

I was addressing your comparison of core values in old religions. I'm not saying there are jewish terror cells.
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The IDF is doing state sponsored terrorism against Palestinians based on fundamentalist values
 
arrall said:
Give your Muslim hate a rest for a minute and listen to what I am saying.
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I'm sure there's great Muslims out there. But I'm not obliged to entertain their religious worldview, or tolerate it either.
arrall said:
Muslims in the UK are completely separate from Palestinians.
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Except they're not. They are connected by their faith, and many of them place their faith above any loyalty to this country and our way of doing things. They are entitled to believe whatever horseshit they want, but they are not entitled to expect people to accept or tolerate it. People in this country will tolerate a lot, but as has been laid out already they are the only community who take the piss.

The substantial terror watch list, rape gangs, the radicalization and all the other bollocks I've outlined, none of the other communities are doing that. You're just making excuses because you don't want to concede this particular group do have some serious issues they need to work through. My position is I'd rather they all just fuck off and sort it out in the sandbox away from everyone else, we have enough shit to deal with already without having to help them evolve past their neurotic belief system. As a whole they've brought nothing but trouble to the UK and many other nations.
arrall said:
Muslims are not a homogenous hivemind in the same way that no other religion is. Islam has over a billion followers with heavily varying ethnicities, beliefs, & nationalities, just like any other religion.
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Wow. Great. Many different flavours of the same common denominator, Islam. That's not a convincing argument at all.
 
-=SS=- said:
Wow. Great. Many different flavours of the same common denominator, Islam. That's not a convincing argument at all.
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"These ppl all worship a pedophile warlord 1300 years ago but they do it in varying degrees!"

"Not all nazis are the same!"

"But wait! If we intentionally abandon logic, reasoning doesn't work and your opinion falls apart! (Let's not talk about my opinions lol)"
 
-=SS=- said:
I didn't say I supported them. The point was that they and Robinson came into existence because there was a root cause, they are merely a symptom in response to an underlying issue.

MI5 has admitted there are 40,000+ potential terrorist suspects in the UK on their watchlist. Granted that's not all foot soldiers of Islam, but you're deluding yourself if you think that a significant percentage of that total isn't. It clearly is. Who else is going to be making up the bulk of that number.

I don't support Israel. I'm not Jewish. On the same token I'm under no illusions about the followers of Islam, because past and present clearly demonstrates why we should be very wary of that group as a whole.

They've attacked innocent people in the UK on several occasions in terrorist acts. They've systematically raped young girls (why the EDL and Robinson became a thing). They have numerous mosques in this country that have radicalized individuals and sprung preacher dickheads like Choudhary and that nob with a hook for a hand. Forgive me, but I do not give a shit about offending the group as a whole. They clearly have real issues going on, issues that the British public are not required to take on and deal with.

This country is amazingly tolerant, but we were never asked whether we wanted hundreds of thousands of culturally incompatible people to come here, people who create their own little ghettos, refuse to integrate, leech off the system and enjoy all the fruits and still try to turn this country into the types of shiteholes in the ME that they've escaped from.

Jews, Sikhs, Poles, no problem. It's only the Muslim community that refuses to integrate into the fabric of our culture. Cry me a fucking river, I don't bloody care. There's people my age and younger who can't get houses in this country, meanwhile some dickhead Hamas leader gets gifted one in London. Again, forgive me for not giving two shits anymore.
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Tell us how you really feel 😆 😆
 
arrall said:
You guys also do realize that Gaza has a massive Christian population, right?
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"As of 2015, Palestinian Christians comprise approximately 1–2.5% of the population of the West Bank, and less than 1% in the Gaza Strip.[5][6] According to official British Mandatory estimates, Palestine's Christian population in 1922 constituted 9.5% of the total Mandatory Palestine population (10.8% of the Palestinian Arab population), and 7.9% in 1946"

U wot m8
 
-=SS=- said:
I'm sure there's great Muslims out there. But I'm not obliged to entertain their religious worldview, or tolerate it either.

Except they're not. They are connected by their faith, and many of them place their faith above any loyalty to this country and our way of doing things. They are entitled to believe whatever horseshit they want, but they are not entitled to expect people to accept or tolerate it. People in this country will tolerate a lot, but as has been laid out already they are the only community who take the piss.

The substantial terror watch list, rape gangs, the radicalization and all the other bollocks I've outlined, none of the other communities are doing that. You're just making excuses because you don't want to concede this particular group do have some serious issues they need to work through. My position is I'd rather they all just fuck off and sort it out in the sandbox away from everyone else, we have enough shit to deal with already without having to help them evolve past their neurotic belief system. As a whole they've brought nothing but trouble to the UK and many other nations.

Wow. Great. Many different flavours of the same common denominator, Islam. That's not a convincing argument at all.
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When Canada took in all those muslum refugees the government sighed a deal with the UN that our news would not report on any crimes committed by them and there's been lots. Look at sweden , germany etc..We have let in refugees from other faiths and never needed special treatment. Our PM praised them but went to LGB parades, our leaders are a joke. That alone should make people see that their religion doesn't clash with western values. But blah blah anti islam if you point that out. They will stay loyal to their religion not us.

The west softness will be it's downfall, already started.
 
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