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someguyontheinternet said:
I didn't say it made a conclusion about the bombing, only a conclusion that the evidence presented by Israel was false
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I didn't say you said that. I added it on for emphasis.

you said that Israel "manufactured evidence". There is no proof of that.

The video in question is one piece of many.

The ironic thing here, which I see is going way above everyone's heads, is that the Times analysis actually makes quite a strong case that Israel can't be responsible for this particular incident. IF their tools can conclusively show the malfunctioning Hamas rocket exploded in the air and they've triangulated it from multiple angles, surely that same technology would have picked up on the Israeli missile that actually did strike the hospital parking lot? (Assuming giant precision guided Israeli missiles miss their targets and leave tiny craters, of course).

They released a phone call where Hamas basically admits it was one of theirs. But that's just staged right?

I'm sure all the tankie Marxists on social media will go munchmunchmunch on this. And show just as little comprehension as you have.
 
swilow said:
How do you 'allow' something to happen if you don't know about it?
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he's saying that Israel allowed Hamas to come in to rape and murder thousands of its people, as a pretense to level Gaza. That is mainstream thought now.
 
swilow said:
How do you 'allow' something to happen if you don't know about it?
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How could they possibly not know about it? They have the best security service on earth. They themselves claimed to have the ability to tell if a bug moved on the ground.

The whole scenario benefits them allowing it to happen as then they have an excuse to react.

Also they claim their security services didn't know about the Hamas op, which Hamas literally simmulated an attack, yet they know which voice notes claimed the rockets fired at hospital.

It would seem very unlikely to me Israel is telling the truth about either matter there. Nevermind both.
 
The temple. That’s Gods prophetic clock.

Idk. I’ve just always been apprehensive about this area. But I’ve not read any posts so I need to shut up lol

I just seen Israel attacked and jumped right in. Sorry
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
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"The worlds largest concentration camp". I can't take someone seriously who deliberately uses that phrase, they undermine their own argument for the express purpose of evoking oppositional anger given the history of the 'oppressor' in this context. Egypt borders Gaza as well, so why is that fact never including in this discussion and the wider discussion of why no one wants to take on the Palestinians in the Arab world.
 
-=SS=- said:
"The worlds largest concentration camp". I can't take someone seriously who deliberately uses that phrase, they undermine their own argument for the express purpose of evoking oppositional anger given the history of the 'oppressor' in this context. Egypt borders Gaza as well, so why is that fact never including in this discussion and the wider discussion of why no one wants to take on the Palestinians in the Arab world.
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Because Egypt knows that Israel wants to push out Palestinians to never let them return. This has been said multiple times
 
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"The worlds largest concentration camp". I can't take someone seriously who deliberately uses that phrase, they undermine their own argument for the express purpose of evoking oppositional anger given the history of the 'oppressor' in this context. Egypt borders Gaza as well, so why is that fact never including in this discussion and the wider discussion of why no one wants to take on the Palestinians in the Arab world.
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2.2million people with every aspect of their lives being controllled by the Israelis. Food, water and electricity been cut off. Where the average age is just 18... what else would you call it? There is no freedom there. And that's exactly why this whole "Israel's been attacked" narrative is horseshit. They knew the attack was comining, were even informed externally by the Egyptians. When they are prepared to allow that for their own citizens what the fuck do you think they've been doing to the Palestinians?
 
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"The worlds largest concentration camp". I can't take someone seriously who deliberately uses that phrase, they undermine their own argument for the express purpose of evoking oppositional anger given the history of the 'oppressor' in this context. Egypt borders Gaza as well, so why is that fact never including in this discussion and the wider discussion of why no one wants to take on the Palestinians in the Arab world.
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No, he's just describing what it's like being born there. Is he wrong?
He just states facts, Israel throws bombs on them, Egypt doesn't. No country wants to take on 2 million poor, jobless, and possibly radicalized refugees.

What's the end game here? You're not getting rid of 2 million people. This is the situation, Israel throws bombs and the West sends 10 trucks with humanitarian supplies a day.

 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
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I love how these people deliberately use phrases like concentration camp and receive absolutely no backlash for it. You can imagine if there was a similarly contentious issue is the US, with majority whites on one side and majority blacks on the other and for whatever reason the whites accused the blacks of being slave owners... I wonder what the left would have to say about that, regardless of the details of the subject at hand, or who was right or wrong. 🤔

Here's a photo of a market in Gaza from March 2023, prior to Hamas perpetrating the worst terrorist attack since 9/11

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Here are two from Buchenwald and Ohrdruf , an actual concentration camp. I tried to find one with fresh fruit and produce but had no luck.

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Language is a peculiar thing I've found. If we say she instead of he that is an act of violence. But yet we are allowed to make reckless comparisons like the one above with no consequence whatsoever.
 
I don't think you understand what the term concentration camp means

A concentration camp is different from a death camp, the US has had concentration camps previously for Japanese and later for Mexicans and South Americans

And you claim others are using hyperbole and twisting terms?
 
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elgoucho9 said:
They knew the attack was comining, were even informed externally by the Egyptians. When they are prepared to allow that for their own citizens what the fuck do you think they've been doing to the Palestinians?
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The United States received intelligence reports prior to 9/11 too. But you probably think George Bush orchestrated that as well? The fact is when you are the enemy of Islamist fascists and terrorists you receive reports like these daily. There was a failure for sure, that is obvious. But it's pretty sick to insinuate what you are insinuating.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
I don't think you understand what the term concentration camp means

A concentration camp is different from a death camp, the US has had concentration camps previously for Japanese and later for Mexicans and South Americans

And you claim others are using hyperbole and twisting terms?
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You didn't read my post.

My entire point was language that is acceptable when referring to historically persecuted groups-- in this case one that was literally nearly exterminated from the planet.

There are over 100,000 holocaust survivors in Israel. I know at least one of them was kidnapped by Hamas on October 7th.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Yet you still can't seem to comprehend that a concentration camp is different than a death camp, so who is misusing language here?
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Oh ok. So the Jews weren't in concentration camps. Got it. Thank you for correcting me. I'll forward this to Britannica and World Book.
 
mal3volent said:
I love how these people deliberately use phrases like concentration camp and receive absolutely no backlash for it. You can imagine if there was a similarly contentious issue is the US, with majority whites on one side and majority blacks on the other and for whatever reason the whites accused the blacks of being slave owners... I wonder what the left would have to say about that, regardless of the details of the subject at hand, or who was right or wrong. 🤔
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Ok, so not a concentration camp, the numbers are still the numbers. They paint the picture of an incredibly tragic situation. 2 million people, stuck, likely for their entire lives and everything is being bombed.

This is not left or right, numbers are numbers and the facts are the facts. The very large majority cannot ever leave that tiny strip, no jobs and no prospects and they get bombed on the regular, and now entire regions get totally destroyed. They're blockaded by sea and have no airports, everything that gets into Gaza is either smuggled or generously let through by neighbors.

Is this wrong?

It doesn't correspond with the Holocaust concentration camp images, because Israel is not militarily occupying the Gaza strip, they've just built walls around it. Anyway, the terminology is not important to me.

I just guess that many Israel "supporters" think that the Palestinians in Gaza are culpable, and/or incapable which makes the punishment justified somehow. And the punishment is brutal.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Ok, so not a concentration camp, the numbers are still the numbers. They paint the picture of an incredibly tragic situation. 2 million people, stuck, likely for their entire lives and everything is being bombed.

This is not left or right, numbers are numbers and the facts are the facts. The very large majority cannot ever leave that tiny strip, no jobs and no prospects and they get bombed on the regular, and now entire regions get totally destroyed. They're blockaded by sea and have no airports, everything that gets into Gaza is either smuggled or generously let through by neighbors.

Is this wrong?

It doesn't correspond with the Holocaust concentration camp images, because Israel is not militarily occupying the Gaza strip, they've just built walls around it. Anyway, the terminology is not important to me.

I just guess that many Israel "supporters" think that the Palestinians in Gaza are culpable, and/or incapable which makes the punishment justified somehow. And the punishment is brutal.
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It is a concentration camp, the Nazis did use concentration camps as well but just because they also turned them into death camps doesn't mean the term concentration camp is not applicable here. Mal3volent is twisting around word definitions to make himself feel better about backing a genocidal country
 
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