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right?

insult and mock people for not questioning things then insult and mock people for questioning things...

hmm.

alasdair

I do keep pointing out the DSM criteria but as we both recognise, it's simply impossible to KNOW based on a person's posts.

It does appear that actual data isn't merely unnecessary but the mere request results in cognitive dissonance. I find that very odd.
 
^ "researchers"? you mean scientists, obvs.

seems like you're pretty down on scientists no?

I should have said science truster^tm

I’m still taken back by all of these sub 90 iq people telling me to trust the science. They still have their little yard signs out in neo liberal areas here letting people know they believe in science, w/e that means.

Trust the science bigot

and here you are trusting the "science". odd.

oh wait, if it supports your position, trust it. if if does not, reject it and mock it?

got it.

further, a quick check on lifesite news suggests:
  • "Selective or incomplete stories"
  • "Unfair persuasion"
  • "Propaganda"
  • "Hyper-partisan right bias"
  • "far-right biased for story selection that always favors evangelical Christianity and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and many failed fact checks."
  • "Factual reporting: Low"
  • "Scientifically, they often promote false or misleading information related to Planned Parenthood, abortion, and Covid-19 (see failed fact checks below). In general, story selection favors the Christian right and denigrates the left while consistently not being factual in reporting."
you're not just regurgitating biased sources like a parrot are you? that would be ironic.

i think you can pick up that mic. now :)

alasdair
 
^ "researchers"? you mean scientists, obvs.

seems like you're pretty down on scientists no?







and here you are trusting the "science". odd.

oh wait, if it supports your position, trust it. if if does not, reject it and mock it?

got it.

further, a quick check on lifesite news suggests:
  • "Selective or incomplete stories"
  • "Unfair persuasion"
  • "Propaganda"
  • "Hyper-partisan right bias"
  • "far-right biased for story selection that always favors evangelical Christianity and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and many failed fact checks."
  • "Factual reporting: Low"
  • "Scientifically, they often promote false or misleading information related to Planned Parenthood, abortion, and Covid-19 (see failed fact checks below). In general, story selection favors the Christian right and denigrates the left while consistently not being factual in reporting."
you're not just regurgitating biased sources like a parrot are you? that would be ironic.

i think you can pick up that mic. now :)

alasdair
Just figured I’d post. A correlation that’s been well that worth noticing. I get why vaxxies attack the source though.
 
You attack any source that doesn't agree with you 😂
Pointing out no one’s above it. Pro establishment people have much more hubris about this type of thing. We are all in our respective camps. The simple fact is that no criticism of a major pharmaceutical product that collaborates with the state, is going to be allowed in major publications. Unless it’s been specifically green lit, like with oxy or something.
 
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Didn't you sell me some acid last year? j/k
 
Pointing out no one’s above it. Pro establishment people have much more hubris about this type of thing. We are all in our respective camps. The simple fact is that no criticism of a major pharmaceutical product that collaborates with the state, is going to be allowed in major publications. Unless it’s been specifically green lit, like with oxy or something.

You have repeatedly failed to explain what you mean by the term 'establishment', or at least the examples you gave were subject to fairly robust rebuttals from multiple BL members.

If you believe ANY media outlet is providing content for your benefit, you are much mistaken. If it's clearly run for profit i.e. it's funded by advertising then content is ONLY provided to keep people going to the page and at least SOME of them are influenced by the ads.

Now for-profit is generally the least malicious because if their content is repeatedly shown to be inaccurate, biased, or entirely fictitious then few advertisers would wish to be associated with them and the number of readers would be limited. In fact, limited to those whose prejudices align with said inaccuracies and biases and will accept entirely any fictitious item if it feeds into their prejudices.

It's more news sites whose income streams are NOT for-profit that appear to specialize in feeding to prejudices and who regularly publish inaccurate, biased and fictitious news items. Because clearly it's not FREE to provide content. Yes, the costs can be kept low and most of this category of site really could be generated by a few people in their spare time. But always ask 'who gains' and your latest source is evidently designed to provide a religious body with a propaganda outlet. So it's published (in this case) so said religious body 'gains'.

But the darkest of all are the handful of evidently highly-funded sites that have no evident income streams and yet would take hundreds of man-hours a day to keep updated. Of those I have seen, SOMEONE is clearly investing a lot of money and whatever their 'gain', it isn't financial.

If anything appears to be free, YOU ARE the product.

And I'm afraid to say you really have shown just how much such outlets 'gain' from what I think is better termed 'disinformation' or to use the less politically correct term - propaganda. Then you take this media and spread it as much as possible. I hate to say it but you are displaying exactly what Marx, Stalin and Tito all stated as their goal of propaganda - 'useful idiots' or, possibly a better translation, 'useful innocents'.

I am not saying you are an idiot, I'm merely saying that you are displaying precisely the behaviors of someone Marx, Stalin and Tito all referred to as 'useful idiots'. You are part of their propaganda machine without being conscious of the fact.
 
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You have repeatedly failed to explain what you mean by the term 'establishment', or at least the examples you gave were subject to fairly robust rebuttals from multiple BL members.

If you believe ANY media outlet is providing content for your benefit, you are much mistaken. If it's clearly run for profit i.e. it's funded by advertising then content is ONLY provided to keep people going to the page and at least SOME of them are influenced by the ads.

Now for-profit is generally the least malicious because if their content is repeatedly shown to be inaccurate, biased, or entirely fictitious then few advertisers would wish to be associated with them and the number of readers would be limited. In fact, limited to those whose prejudices align with said inaccuracies and biases and will accept entirely any fictitious item if it feeds into their prejudices.

It's more news sites whose income streams are NOT for-profit that appear to specialize in feeding to prejudices and who regularly publish inaccurate, biased and fictitious news items. Because clearly it's not FREE to provide content. Yes, the costs can be kept low and most of this category of site really could be generated by a few people in their spare time. But always ask 'who gains' and your latest source is evidently designed to provide a religious body with a propaganda outlet. So it's published (in this case) so said religious body 'gains'.

But the darkest of all are the handful of evidently highly-funded sites that have no evident income streams and yet would take hundreds of man-hours a day to keep updated. Of those I have seen, SOMEONE is clearly investing a lot of money and whatever their 'gain', it isn't financial.

If anything appears to be free, YOU ARE the product.

And I'm afraid to say you really have shown just how much such outlets 'gain' from what I think is better termed 'disinformation' or to use the less politically correct term - propaganda. Then you take this media and spread it as much as possible. I hate to say it but you are displaying exactly what Marx, Stalin and Tito all stated as their goal of propaganda - 'useful idiots' or, possibly a better translation, 'useful innocents'.

I am not saying you are an idiot, I'm merely saying that you are displaying precisely the behaviors of someone Marx, Stalin and Tito all referred to as 'useful idiots'. You are part of their propaganda machine without being conscious of the fact.
You clearly have it all figured out. Who am I to say ur wrong. I simply don’t trust corporations, captured agencies.. the establishment in general. But I can see why you guys do, and I respect that.
 
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You clearly have it all figured out. Who am I to say ur wrong. I simply don’t trust corporations, captured agencies.. the establishment in general. But I can see why you guys do, and I respect that.

I don't TRUST anyone. As i said, I approach ALL media information asking 'who gains'. The formal name for that is skepticism. Allied to critical thinking, employing very simple ontological analysis using Occam's Razor, it's not any single article that provides a fact. It's a weight of evidence.

So the very first thing I do is to check a UK media outlet, a Chinese media outlet, an Indian media outlet and if possible media outlets in South America, Australasia and even Africa.

Because if every source is reporting the same, it's extremely unlikely that any single group could 'gain' in anything but simple advertising - and ads are simply propaganda applied to a specific range of goods or services.

Nothing is free - if you cannot see 'who gains' then YOU are the product and YOU are used for them to 'gain'.
 
I don't TRUST anyone. As i said, I approach ALL media information asking 'who gains'. The formal name for that is skepticism. Allied to critical thinking, employing very simple ontological analysis using Occam's Razor, it's not any single article that provides a fact. It's a weight of evidence.

So the very first thing I do is to check a UK media outlet, a Chinese media outlet, an Indian media outlet and if possible media outlets in South America, Australasia and even Africa.

Because if every source is reporting the same, it's extremely unlikely that any single group could 'gain' in anything but simple advertising - and ads are simply propaganda applied to a specific range of goods or services.

Nothing is free - if you cannot see 'who gains' then YOU are the product and YOU are used for them to 'gain'.
You clearly have done none of this lol. Aren’t you vaxxed?
 
As reported by Business Insider, in 1950, a US Navy ship just off the coast of San Francisco used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into the city’s famous fog. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city. The people of San Francisco had no idea.


I mean like honestly, why ever would anybody lie right? Lol, especially the entrusted govt
 
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