• DPMC Moderators: thegreenhand | tryptakid
  • Drug Policy & Media Coverage Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Drug Busts Megathread Video Megathread

Discussion Should Harm Reduction supplies be funded by tax dollars?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Its just more ingroup outgroup nonsense. There has to be an "us" and a "them" for some people

Most conservatives and fascists pull this ingroup/outgroup bs which is why you're being called that
 
No I'm mocking a lack of understanding of complex systems. The individualistic ideology is heavily flawed because we all exist as part of a complex interacting web

People with your attitude and views always seem to be hard set in not listening to any evidence which is why I didn't bother trying to argue, its generally futile as people stick their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALALALA"
 
yea and a lot of the homeless junkies aren't interacting well in the web - they're only out there for themselves
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
They did exactly that in Finland. The government rolled out a project called 'housing first' in 2008. People like to call it radical ; I'd just call it common sense.
The reasoning was that instead of demanding that people who are variously ill, traumatised and mostly too unstable to be in any way employable to get clean, get a job etc in order to be 'rewarded' with housing, you need to give them a secure living situation to START with.

People who accept the housing offer get medical help with any problem they might have, as well as detox / therapy services. Once fit physically and mentally there's programmes that prepare you for work. A majority of those who enter the project eventually sort themselves out, find employment and go on to live independently in a place of their own. Those who can't still receive support and have a roof above their head.
Street homelessness has been drastically reduced in the country as a result and the stated aim is to totally eradicate it. There's no reason why this could not be done in every country that's wealthy enough, but the political will isn't there.
Click to expand...
Here, since you obviously just ignored it before
 
yea i read that....

they're a little more civilized in Finland....they're all Finnish


but we offer them housing here - a lot of them don't wanna go (true story)
 
we have a lot of different people here - from all walks of life

to point at one little country with one type of people, and to claim it works, so it should work everywhere else, is a bit short-sighted
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Sure it doesn't. That's why you're being needlessly confrontational.
Click to expand...

well if you think it's confrontational, then that's on you


i just think this whole thing is being mishandled and the proof is in what i see in the streets - everyday
 
So which people in the US do you think are the ones who are "less civilized"? Also how do you define "civilized"?
 
savages

like the people that hit the radiologist in the head with a bottle in Portland that i posted in the thread that you obviously ignored earlier
 
i just looked at my 2 last paychecks for the month of July....i paid $968 in taxes alone....i don't think a penny of that should go towards a new meth pipe for anybody
 
midmichigannow.com

Federal government to pay for crack pipes, meth pipes as part of harm reduction strategy

In the name of harm reduction, the substance abuse arm of the Health and Human Services Agency (HHS) will begin providing funds to help distribute “safe smoking kits” for the consumption of various illicit drugs like crack cocaine and crystal meth.
midmichigannow.com midmichigannow.com

WASHINGTON (TND) — In the name of harm reduction, the substance abuse arm of the Health and Human Services Agency (HHS) will begin providing funds to help distribute “safe smoking kits” for the consumption of various illicit drugs like crack cocaine and crystal meth.

The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Agency (SAMHSA) has allocated roughly $30 million for a Harm Reduction Program Grant, which includes funding for syringe exchange programs, the opioid reversal drug naloxone, test kits to detect fentanyl and “safe smoking kits/supplies,” among other more traditional measures, like HIV testing and safer sex resources.

Harm reduction efforts, like testing for infectious diseases, needle exchanges and naloxone distribution programs, are nothing new, but providing federal taxpayer funds for paraphernalia used to smoke drugs is.



you guys really think that's cool? ^


do you guys even pay taxes?

do you have a job?
 
Yeah I mean where healthcare is publicly funded harm reduction funded by tax dollars only saves the state money. Since otherwise it'd be them paying for the hospital bill anyway. I understand it works a little different in the US but w/e my answer is still yes.
 
The people out there on the street, the people that make the cut in those YouTube montage videos about homelessness/drug addiction, those people are in trouble, no doubt about it. Maybe it’s mental illness, maybe it’s drug addiction, maybe it’s just a run of bad luck, who knows. It’s very much an open question regarding how best to help those people though, and I don’t think it’s a good thing to not look at how other countries have effectively dealt with the problem

A HR policy that’s tolerant of drug use (key words “drug use”, not armed robbery or assault or murder, etc) isn’t going to work, ultimately, if it’s not included within a broader program…otherwise it has the potential to turn into another “needle park” situation, only on a much larger scale.

A lot of countries have very admirable public housing policies that the USA could learn from on this particular issue imo, either on a state or federal level…Austria for example is a good, previously-mentioned Finland, some others in Europe and South America…the USA itself had a very impressive public works/public housing project at one point in its history. Is there nothing that can be learned from those programs? We’re definitely not doing a good job with it at the moment, that’s obvious

One solution I don’t like is giving all those people new homes with bars and armed guards tho, I don’t think that’s a great solution ultimately
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Apparently only valid reason for gathering taxes is that you could imagine being better than people who pay less taxes
Click to expand...
It's a core tenet of capitalism and especially the US, shitting on poor people. Capital owners love it because it keeps the attention off of themselves while they get rich off the backs of everyone else

It's crazy that Krinkle claims to be "kind of a lefty" because what I see in their comments is that they've swallowed the conservative propaganda whole hog and are tickling the sack with their tongue
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top