The Dive's Covid Thread

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I think it was real and just has the severity of a bad flu.

This doesn't address any of the points I put forward, especially the one about bioweapon potency. Millions in funding, 'gain of function', level 4 bioweapon lab and all that baloney, and the best they can come up with is a bad flu? How does it make any sense to deliberately release something with the equivalent potency of a bad flu and then have to go to the lengths described above to enforce a narrative that makes it seem more deadly than it is? Why not just release an actual deadly biological agent in that case and let it do the work for you?

Additionally, the global incidence of influenza trended right down to zero during 2020-2022, seemingly replaced by covid. This in itself is complete bollocks. Do you honestly think a respiratory condition like influenza would just magically evaporate and get entirely replaced by virtually identical respiratory condition? Not a chance. Then you have the incongruency of masks, social distancing, etc, apparently making a difference for covid but then never having made a difference for influenza too.

Do you honestly think it was real, or are you subscribed to a particular conspiratorial narrative that is preventing you from acknowledging all the pieces of available information? That is rhetorical.

The same god damn thing happened with the 9/11 truth movement and 'nano thermate'. Absolutely no proof that stuff even exists, or how it would be used logistically to accomplished a demolition scenario, and yet everyone subscribed to it because they were not prepared to think of other explanations for why there should be red hot molten material in the basement levels of the WTC complex for weeks on end with continual water spraying. Up pops Steven Jones i.e. take your pick of covid related lab-leak hypothesis 'heroes', whom immediately gets traction and guides the entire movement into a particular confined narrative.

Can you see the parallel? It's misdirection.

None of these heroes will even confront the possibility that this thing never even existed. Why. Why would you take a potential possibility off the table, if you are concerned with the truth? You are therefore defining truth in advance by deliberately excluding a valid possibility, which is not being sincere to seeking the truth - you can't know what the truth is in advance.

Any time people gain immediate social traction and simultaneously deny certain possibilities you can be sure you're in the presence of a disinformation campaign. Once again we're back to the "TV versus reality" situation, only this time you're investing your trust in alternative sources and not the main institutional ones.

 

[JGrimez]

This doesn't address any of the points I put forward, especially the one about bioweapon potency. Millions in funding, 'gain of function', level 4 bioweapon lab and all that baloney, and the best they can come up with is a bad flu? How does it make any sense to deliberately release something with the equivalent potency of a bad flu and then have to go to the lengths described above to enforce a narrative that makes it seem more deadly than it is? Why not just release an actual deadly biological agent in that case and let it do the work for you?

I don't think they would do that as it would be putting themselves at risk too.
It may have been a failed vaccine test (they test them on soldiers) that accidentally leaked out. It wasn't super deadly but they used the opportunity, exaggerated it and manipulated statistics as a justification to tighten the noose of control around the world a bit more.
I believe the goal of these newer vaccines is behavior modification.

 

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I don't think they would do that as it would be putting themselves at risk too.

Which is precisely what they would have done according to your hypothesis. In the USA, particularly the senate, there is a high proportion of members who are 70+ and 80+ years of age. In the UK the average age of the Lords is 71. And yet how many of these people died during covid because of covid? As already stated, the average age of mortality from covid was above the national average (UK), at 82 years of age.. it apparently was affecting the very old in the main. Let's not forget people like Schwab, Charles, Rothschild, the Pope, all the big players are in that elderly age bracket!

It may have been a failed vaccine test (they test them on soldiers) that accidentally leaked out. It wasn't super deadly but they used the opportunity, exaggerated it and manipulated statistics as a justification to tighten the noose of control around the world a bit more.

This is fitting a speculation around a predefined truth. I know you have no evidence of a failed vaccine test, not unless you want to claim you were involved of course.

It is not congruent with the fact they held event 201 immediately prior to the 'pandemic'. Or the fact they seemingly had legislation drafted and ready to go, and all the material items (screens, masks, stickers) etc that just magically materialized at scale during lockdowns and a 'health emergency' LOL.

There's no way this whole thing was an accident and the aforementioned just happened to coincidence timing wise. That is more ridiculous than winning the lottery two weeks on the trot. Just not happening.

See what I mean about subscribing to a certain conspiratorial perspective, without actual basis I might add, that prevents you from acknowledging all the pieces of available information? The truth has to account for all of it, you can't pick and choose.

 

[nepalnt21]

since @jane douloureux isn't going to be honest and answer my question (surprise surprise), i'll spell it out:

most people in the u.s. are vaccinated, VERY MUCH most old people are vaccinated, and covid is still killing old people. it isn't rocket science as to why more vaccinated ppl than unvaxxed are dying.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

since @jane douloureux isn't going to be honest and answer my question (surprise surprise), i'll spell it out:

most people in the u.s. are vaccinated, VERY MUCH most old people are vaccinated, and covid is still killing old people. it isn't rocket science as to why more vaccinated ppl than unvaxxed are dying.

i work at old folks homes

you don't know what you're talking about

 

[nepalnt21]

@Mr. Krinkle

hahaha ok...

then make your case. your personal experience working at an old folks home is NOT good evidence that i'm wrong about anything i've said, so do your due diligence.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@Mr. Krinkle

hahaha ok...

then make your case. your personal experience working at an old folks home is NOT good evidence that i'm wrong about anything i've said, so do your due diligence.

you don't know because you're not there to see it

i go to many facilities - im not just at one....dude there's nothing going on covid-wise - im not just saying that - it's history

 

[nepalnt21]

my buddy brought this up today...

and i'm a bit ashamed i never thought about it:

johnson and johnson: $95 billion in revenue
moderna: $19 billion in revenue
pfizer: $100 billion in revenue

j&j was pulled in 2021 dude to a 1 in-a-million clotting death issue.

how tf have they not all pulled from the market if hundreds of thousands of americans are dying???

It was a collaboration iirc

and exactly which part was trump? hint: the sitting on the rump, with a thumb up it part. oh, and he supposedly named it... although he is chronically full of shit, so i'd be surprised if someone else didn't think of the name and he took credit.

If you deny this,

like every expert (sports cardiologists, medical directors of sports medicine institutions) denies it? you're simply wrong, the only time being wasted is mine.

No, looking at the survival rates by age group makes it a fact.

false.

kids HAVE died, which you admit since there is a nonzero "rate" at all.

AND once again, you cannot lump all children together. a 2 year old is more likely to die than a 7 year old, and so is a 15 year old. j curve. we've known this for years. john campbell even said this in early 2020.

and the ifr for infants is high enough that it caused quite a few newborn deaths in places like brazil where the infrastructure wasn't there to deal with it and there were lots of plague deniers. it was like a thousand in the first year alome, iirc... a thousand dead babies. it was also a leading cause of death (like 8th, i think) in children in the u.s.; iirc, a newborn has the same chance of dying from having covid as a 30 year old. and there were healthy 30 Y.O.s that were handicapped by it.

mandated microchip

why the fuck would i get a microchip? and i don't live in china, so pretty sure i have no risk of it being government mandated. and what does this have to do with demonstrating vaccine kill rates that rival covid?

honest

whatever you say, lol...

you think i'm dishonest because i challenge things you take as a given. absurd things, like that hundreds of thousands of ppl are dying from the vaccine... absurd things like the flu magically killed A LEVEL OF MAGNITUDE more than usual for both 2020 and 2021, and no doctors knew about it... all made the same mistake of blaming it on sars-cov-2; THAT level of absurd. just monster absurdity.


i put it in bold because i have been asking this for days now, and the antivaxx crowd has been avoidant.

just like you still seem to be.

she does a classic body language

you are not a body language expert. i know enough about body language reading to know that not only will the experts tell you it is not an exact science, but that different people show differently, there is no one universal signal for lying, it all needs to be taken as a whole, including other circumstances with that same person, you need to establish a baseline. maybe anxiety from being grilled?

even if she is lying, it doesn't mean shit. once again with the long arms.

the death of a healthy young baby at 5 months after being breast fed by a mother vaccinated against Covid. This appears in a US Vaers

oh jesus fucking christ, speaking of reaching... this is the most far- fetched case yet.

even the antibodies from the breastmilk of a vaccinated mother (sadly) do not make it out of the digestive tract and into the bloodstream. therr are stories of pregnant mothers that regrettably wait until after the baby is born to get vaccinated, thinking that the breast milk will confer the immunity... when they could have given the antibodies to their baby if they had gotten vaxxed while pregnant.

we were disappointed we couldn't have done that, our second baby was born just a bit too early, before the vaccines were publicly available. so we had to wait, and wait, and wait to get both kids vaccinated. it fucking sucked because so many shitfucks were out coughing their cooties all over the produce and my neck... even those with masks on didn't always wear them right or wear n95 types.

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where are the mass graves?

 

[Neuroborean]

Don't know about you, honestly I barely hit the internet nowadays, I'm working with plants, doing transplants, getting odd or unusual aizoaceaes... but I also meet new people due to the job I have
and guys, there's quite a few people with long term side effects of the vaccine, is just a hard fact.
Let's see the world fertility rates, at the moment they seem to be declining strongly in those places with a lot of jabbed people.
I know, correlation doesn't mean causation...yaddah yaddah yaddah, but well, there's a start to research on a directon.

 

[nepalnt21]

you don't know because you're not there to see it

i go to many facilities - im not just at one....dude there's nothing going on covid-wise - im not just saying that - it's history

the topic is percentages of covid deaths, as brought up by your friend jane.

the topic specifically is vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths.

your personal anecdote of not seeing covid has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on those numbers.

 

[JGrimez]

In his recent Joe Rogan appearance, Robert F. Kennedy Jr and him are discussing the unclear origins of the Spanish Flu pandemic. He was saying that even Fauci acknowledges it likely wasn't the flu that killed people, it was bacteriological pneumonia. RFK also mentioned an article that made a very strong case that the illness came from testing a new vaccine in a military base in Kansas.

 

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It was very deadly in China my brother was like omg its going down in China.. and there were videos of people dying in china

This is the same China that openly lies to its own population about air pollution levels, amongst other things. The CCP have an iron grip on the internet, and it's one of the reasons why it had to happen there first, because no other nation on Earth could plant the seed of delusion to that degree.

Sorry, but in this day and age you can't take anything at face value that comes through a screen. You have to doubt it all and treat it all as potential propaganda. And more to the point, it is not science either. No where has it actually been demonstrated that a novel pathogen exists. I've posted it here before, the graphic of the email correspondence with the original viral isolation teams and every single one admitted they had not purified/imaged the virus.

If they haven't even scientifically demonstrated the virus, which they haven't, then everything else that comes after that fact is a god damn lie. Period.

then when it first came to nyc it was quite deadly and was overflowing the local funeral homes ability to store the overflow

I heard the same bullshit here in England, about temporary morgues and all that. To make it short, in the period of Feb-April the establishment set the medical guidance (UK, USA, and probably elsewhere) that led to the deliberate murder of many people who would have otherwise been just fine, through forced ventilation and giving them lethal cocktails of Remdesivir, Midazolam and Morphine, etc. It's on record that Matt Hancock ordered double the stock of Midazolam, which is a respiratory depressant - which would you need more of something that decreases respiratory function in patients supposedly suffering from a respiratory condition.

I think it does a disservice to say that all these people died around the world from nothing

It dishonours them to attribute their death to false causes, and state sanctioned murder.

The statistics don't lie I'm afraid. All that happened was reclassification of deaths under the banner of covid. The only difference in mortality from the usual levels was during that initial Feb-April period. Again, I've posted the ONS stats graphic here before showing the UK stats. You wouldn't even know something happened in 2020 if you had been in a coma and looked at the data. It's ridiculous.

You can believe what you want. To me it's ridiculously obvious we've been taken for a ride when you consider all the information at once. I mean fucking hell, our leaders openly ignoring their own rules.. isn't that proof enough it's all baloney? These people are gutless cowards, if there was any danger what so ever they'd be deep underground.

 

[Droppersneck]

In his recent Joe Rogan appearance, Robert F. Kennedy Jr and him are discussing the unclear origins of the Spanish Flu pandemic. He was saying that even Fauci acknowledges it likely wasn't the flu that killed people, it was bacteriological pneumonia. RFK also mentioned an article that made a very strong case that the illness came from testing a new vaccine in a military base in Kansas.

The findings before total Agency capture are pretty fascinating.

 

[Electrum1]

Remember when after the covid shots were released we got bombarded with tons of articles about how everything can cause heart attacks like making your bed, showers, watching sports games, everything except the shots, and now that not many people are still getting the shots the high amount of those articles magically stopped?

 

[nepalnt21]

the illness came from testing a new vaccine in a military base in Kansas.

wait, huh? so how did it get across the world? it wasn't called "spanish flu" because only spanish- speaking kansasippians were dying...

it's pretty sad that a presidential candidate is spreading this obvious and easily refutable horse malarkey... but after that last guy, i guess i shouldn't be surprised about anything

 

[nepalnt21]

Remember when after the covid shots were released we got bombarded with tons of articles about how everything can cause heart attacks like making your bed, showers, watching sports games, everything except the shots, and now that not many people are still getting the shots the high amount of those articles magically stopped?

no, but remember how years before covid, other viruses were causing heart problems? and still do? remember how the journal articles are still publicly available?

 

[Electrum1]

 

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but China tried hide that they had any deaths and that Covid was even going on at the time in late December early January that these videos were on the dark web

Like I said, if it is coming out of a screen then you can't just take it at face value. You shouldn't also assume the binary choice of, 'if it's on the dark web then obviously the CCP doesn't like it and therefore it is true'. For all we know it might not even be Chinese material!

The fact China monitors and manipulates their entire digital infrastructure is reason enough to doubt all of it. Then on top of that you have powers in the west playing their own digital and psychological games as well. It's just not strong evidence in this day and age. Hell, we see how the MSM uses digital material to manipulate and twist certain narratives! Some of that in itself is sly (and some not so sly), but if we're talking about free floating material on the web it could be the product of any number of agencies or individuals.. you just can't take it at face value.

 

[nepalnt21]

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what are these mysterious objects they've got the genetic sequence for and have isolated in sick people?

SARS-CoV-2

Images and B-roll related to the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2, also known as 2019-nCoV) that causes COVID-19. See related album, "MERS-CoV"

www.flickr.com

 

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Michael Gove has apologised after an “indefensible” video emerged of Tory party officials partying during lockdown, but said two of those involved should not be stripped of honours. ‌The Levelling Up Secretary said the footage, during which Conservative staffers appeared to acknowledge they were breaking Covid rules, was “terrible” and “completely out of order”. ‌It shows a gathering which took place at CCHQ on December 14, 2020, just days before Boris Johnson was forced to cancel people’s Christmas plans because of rising infections.