⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[nepalnt21]

The fact that you haven't explicitly stated that you do not support Drag Queen Story Hour.
I'm assuming you're terrified of being labelled a transphobe.

i have explicitly stated my position on the matter, even recently in this thread

 

[JGrimez]

Matt Walsh and his investigation team has exposed how fucked up this industry is. One of his colleagues was able to get a doctor recommendation to get his testicles removed after a 20 minute conversation where they barely discussed the alleged gender dysphoria.

People are going to look back on these surgeries the way that we now look back on lobotomies.

 

[JGrimez]

(again, to reiterate, i'm not going to subject my kids to sexualized pride stuff like pride parades where ppl are dressed as gimps with dildos galore... which, btw... does not represent all pride parades, the only pride parade i've been to was very kid friendly... aside from the nasty homophobes shouting hateful alarmist bullshit)... this is an implied slippery slope fallacy.

The Washington Post printed an article that said kink belongs at pride and so do children. That's institutional support for the stuff you're discussing.
Do you think that should be illegal? Or do you think parents should have the choice to expose their children to kink behavior at pride parades?
Because it's not enough to just say that you wouldn't do it. If you still support someone else's "right" to sexualize children then you're complicit in pedophilia.

i have explicitly stated my position on the matter, even recently in this thread

Sounds like you're dodging the question which makes me think you support drag queens reading gender ideology/sex books to children. Many people on this forum do support it.

 

[Droppersneck]

The fact that you haven't explicitly stated that you do not support Drag Queen Story Hour.
I'm assuming you're terrified of being labelled a transphobe.

He said he was against grooming children, so he’s not as bad as most libs. But being labeled a transphobe is big to a liberal. Their social structure is super important to them.

 

[Jen X]

In Canada teachers were just sent a letter to keep a childs gender from their parents and suggest hormones and puberty blockers. This is from an elementary school . Nothing should be kept from a childs parents.

Also this years pride festival had almost naked men bending each other over pretending to fk, at a parade full of kids. A straight man would be in jail. Trans folk play victim and in the USA only 1% are trans so roughly 4 million. Going by stats a white straight male has more violence committed against them.

Why are we pandering to 1% of the population that cries they're being prosecuted when in fact they are not?

Drag queen story hour is just confusing kids, let kids be kids and stop pushing the narrative that they can change sex at age 10. When i was 10 i wanted to be an astronaut, changed my mind 20 times by the time i hit 20. Young kids should never be encouraged to switch gender

 

[Nurse Ratched]

He does condone it and if he refuses to state that publicly it's because that condoning pedophilic practices is not yet socially acceptable (in the real world).
And if someone supports gay transvestites gyrating in front of little kids - then their opinion is definitely not as valid as mine. Fuck that noise.
Also he/she can speak for they/themselves.

I agree that he can speak for himself.........and he has.

I was simply asking you to stop shoving his beliefs down his throat on a daily basis. You told him how you felt and vice versa. No need to keep saying it on every page. I think we all get it.

Dream on that your opinion is any more valid than anyone else's on here. Your opinion may be different but certainly not more valid.

And I wasn't defending anybody nor was I taking anyone under my wing. You are all adults. The comment comes from the fact that I have to read these threads and I noticed that you mention things ad nauseum. I think that whoever you are directing your comments to can understand after just one or two posts on the subject. Regardless of how many times you shove it down their throat you aren't going to change their opinions nor sway their views.

 

[swilow]

No you are actually terrified - because reality is scary and it's uncomfortable to question or re-examine our fundamental paradigms. I've been on both sides so I know.
But some people care more about the truth than their tribe.

I'm basically going to guarantee that my worldview has changed significantly more than yours has. It had to because I started reading and listening to thinkers outside my wheelhouse and accordingly modified my view on reality. You've been saying the same shit for years, you're as tribal as they come. It's just that your tribe are mainly basement dwelling lunatics that most people ignore that leads you to think you're onto something real.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Like gender truth is a societal construct, so that’s means whatever I think is right…feels good to never be wrong

 

[JGrimez]

I'm basically going to guarantee that my worldview has changed significantly more than yours has.

Highly doubt it, you just haven't known me for that long.

It's just that your tribe are mainly basement dwelling lunatics that most people ignore that leads you to think you're onto something real.

I don't have a tribe, buddy. You won't meet many Jews who are critical of Zionism and who criticize and expose the Jewish mafia.
You even attempted to censor me talking about it.

He said he was against grooming children, so he’s not as bad as most libs. But being labeled a transphobe is big to a liberal. Their social structure is super important to them.

Yeah but someone could say they're against grooming children yet they could say that drag queen story time isn't grooming, it's educational etc.
Gotta be very specific and the fact he constantly evaded explicitly condemning it was suss. Maybe he did before but I don't remember every post in the thread.

 

[nepalnt21]

drag queens reading .... books to children.

if it isn't of a sexual nature, i don't see how we COULD ban it, even if i wanted to. because we have this little thing called the first amendment...


i have zero PROBLEM with someone reading my kid a book, if it is not of a sexual nature... yes, even if it's a dude wearing women's clothing (as long as it isn't clothing of a sexual nature, or revealing of genitalia or whatever). and even if it's a trans person. they are just people, afterall... and if they are good at reading, then great!

if it's of a sexual nature, features human sexuality, etc. etc. etc... that's a different story and i would not be ok with that (unless we are talking health class or biology class in middle school, strictly scholarly learning just like the sex ed or reproduction lessons we have been having in school for decades. and of course, i would want to know about it before hand).

(while we are on the topic, do you want to ban children from american football games? dudes love dressing in drag for football. it's an american tradition.)

If you still support someone else's "right" to sexualize children

who is trying to 'sexualize' kids? what do you even mean by this? cause i doubt anyone would openly admit to supporting sexualizing of kids, nor does supporting pride or non- sexual displays at pride.

i have a feeling that your idea of what 'sexualizing' kids means is a giant stretch.

also, as far as pride parades go... this has to be taken as a case-by-case thing... you've got to give me specific examples; i am not cool with people waving around double dongs with kids present, but don't really care if some dudes wanna wear tacky and ugly leather suits (obviously with the sensitive areas covered up). i've been to exactly one pride parade, and it was VERY kid friendly (besides the hateful assholes protesting against gay and trans people) and non sexualized. just people with colorful clothing being happy and open about immutable traits.

do you think parents should have the choice to expose their children to kink behavior at pride parades?

as long as it is not explicit, sexual acts and/ or genitals exposed, it isn't "sexual" to kids that have no clue what's going on. if it's not sex acts or simulating sex acts, then you are the one injecting sexuality. i could make the argument that YOU are promoting pedophilia if you are highlighting things (to kids) that are not overtly sexual or suggestive of sexuality and then injecting sexuality where it needn't be injected.

Many people on this forum do support it.

i'm gonna take a wild guess that you're jumping to conclusions based upon vague comments that aren't truly supporting sexualizing children. (aka citation needed if you want me to believe you).

gender is a societal construct,

afaik, gender is a psychological construct, not societal. gender roles, however, are 100% made up societal constructs.

being prosecuted when in fact they are not?

wait, do you mean 'persecuted'? cause you are just plain wrong if you think trans people are not being persecuted. they are 4 times more likely to be victims of violent crimes, including rape, and there are many examples of hate crimes against lgbtq+ ppl in general. trans people are CERTAINLY being persecuted. and that's just in the united states. if you really do mean 'prosecuted', that's also wrong... because being trans or gay is a crime in other countries besides the u.s. and canada.

 

[JGrimez]

if it isn't of a sexual nature, i don't see how we COULD ban it, even if i wanted to. because we have this little thing called the first amendment...

See? I told y'all. He says he doesn't support grooming, but he supports drag queens reading books to children which is grooming.

Drag is inherently a sexualized performance, even just based on their appearance and costuming, without commenting on their actions and behaviors during their performances.
Drag queens belong in gay clubs, not in libraries and definitely not around young, impressionable children.
I've seen (and posted videos in this thread already) of drag queens teaching the kids how to twerk, actually twerking and performing sexualized dances in front of them, wearing extremely sexualized outfits, etc.
It simply looks wrong, like putting a shark in a hardware store. You'd be like "wtf is that shark doing in the hardware store? It belongs in the ocean."
If you don't have a similar reaction to seeing drag queens reading to children in libraries then I'm afraid you are complicit in the agenda of sexualizing children and ultimately normalizing pedophilia.

 

[nepalnt21]

drag queens reading books to children which is grooming.

how is it grooming to support the right of people to read to kids without an arbitrary dress code? if you want dress codes, move to north korea.

teaching the kids how to twerk

nobody here said anything about wanting this. your imagination is not doing you favors.

extremely sexualized outfits,

nobody here said anything about wanting this. your imagination is not doing you favors.

complicit in the agenda of sexualizing children and ultimately normalizing pedophilia.

actually, you are the one normalizing pedophilia because you are injecting sexuality where it doesn't belong, and imagining the sexualization of children.

 

[Droppersneck]

how is it grooming to support the right of people to read to kids without an arbitrary dress code? if you want dress codes, move to north korea.


nobody here said anything about wanting this. your imagination is not doing you favors.



nobody here said anything about wanting this. your imagination is not doing you favors.


actually, you are the one normalizing pedophilia because you are injecting sexuality where it doesn't belong, and imagining the sexualization of children.

Wait I thought you said you were against drag queen story hour. Definitely trolling, as I suspected.

 

[Droppersneck]

Okay, it was all fun and games for a bit, but now I’m starting to get nervous.

The new face of extremism unmasked

Pull away the black mask, and political extremism has a new face: 'TRANTIFA', far-left trans activists willing to intimidate, harass and even use violence to advance radical ideas.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[nepalnt21]

Wait I thought you said you were against drag queen story hour. Definitely trolling, as I suspected.

nothing i have said contradicted my previous comment where i stated my position.

my position (which i remember stating but cannot find) is that if it is not sexual in nature or particularly suggestive (like clearly inappropriate for kids), i don't care what they wear.

i'm not into taking my kids to kink pride or drag shows, but it's other ppls right to. actually, the only drag show i've been to was late at night at a bar and had nothing sexual about it... just dudes in tacky dresses (think bette midler meets barbra streisand meets cher meets liza minelli) singing. not threatening at all and i would not feel threatened in terms of having my kids there; but again... i'm not interested in bringing them. it's not my thing, nor is it my wife's thing.

and i don't care for the culture war aspect of it all. i find deliberately going out of the way to find a drag queen to read to kids a bit strange, but normalizing seeing trans people or dudes in (again, non sexualized) drag out in public is fine with me. people can do what they want, no harm no foul.

and i clearly remember that comment which you responded to, i remember mentioning montana's law which has wording that would criminalize beyonce, cher, trans people etc from reading to kids... it's stupid, and i'm against such stupid laws.

 

[JGrimez]

how is it grooming to support the right of people to read to kids without an arbitrary dress code? if you want dress codes, move to north korea.

it's not "arbitrary", you're manipulating language in order to disguise the reality. Very sneaky (and typical of today's Regressive Left).
It's the same reason I wouldn't want a stripper in skimpy or revealing clothing to read to children. Am I against strippers? No, in fact I like what they do - IN STRIP CLUBS.
There is absolutely no justifiable or sensible reason for drag performers to read to children - the only explanation is that they want gay men in inherently sexual attire to be around very young children = grooming.
You cant deny it all you want, you're still complicit in grooming (which is the next step towards normalizing pedophilia).

nobody here said anything about wanting this. your imagination is not doing you favors.

This is what's happening.
I've seen it.
Which is why this madness needs to stop immediately (and luckily many states are aware of this too and are currently in the process of outlawing the practice).
By your logic you'd probably say that the state legislatures are "anti-free spech" or "transphobic" but they're actually protecting children.
I don't even have children but I care more about protecting them than you do.

actually, you are the one normalizing pedophilia because you are injecting sexuality where it doesn't belong, and imagining the sexualization of children.

OK groomer.

 

[JGrimez]

i'm not into taking my kids to kink pride or drag shows, but it's other ppls right to.

I actually can't believe what I'm reading here.
This is the mentality that would allow the pedophile-run establishment (see: Epstein) to make a good go at normalizing pedo shit.

The Left are so terrified of being ostracized from their tribe that they will never speak out against the abhorrent practices of some of their fellow members when they should.

 

[Droppersneck]

nothing i have said contradicted my previous comment where i stated my position.

my position (which i remember stating but cannot find) is that if it is not sexual in nature or particularly suggestive (like clearly inappropriate for kids), i don't care what they wear.

i'm not into taking my kids to kink pride or drag shows, but it's other ppls right to. actually, the only drag show i've been to was late at night at a bar and had nothing sexual about it... just dudes in tacky dresses (think bette midler meets barbra streisand meets cher meets liza minelli) singing. not threatening at all and i would not feel threatened in terms of having my kids there; but again... i'm not interested in bringing them. it's not my thing, nor is it my wife's thing.

and i don't care for the culture war aspect of it all. i find deliberately going out of the way to find a drag queen to read to kids a bit strange, but normalizing seeing trans people or dudes in (again, non sexualized) drag out in public is fine with me. people can do what they want, no harm no foul.

and i clearly remember that comment which you responded to, i remember mentioning montana's law which has wording that would criminalize beyonce, cher, trans people etc from reading to kids... it's stupid, and i'm against such stupid laws.

Your position is mental gymnastics so no one calls you a chud, got it.

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

but he supports drag queens reading books to children which is grooming.

Oh, horseshit. It's just someone dressed up in a costume reading a book out loud. It's no different from, and no more sexual than, someone dressed up as Bozo the clown, Abraham Lincoln, or Batman reading a book out loud. in all cases, it's a great big nothingburger that's only notable because you and the rest of the goon squad have decided to make them the target of your little hate party.

Drag is inherently a sexualized performance,

Also horseshit. You've obviously never been to a real drag show. Even here in San Francisco, where if they were designed to be erotic they would be at their most; the vast overwhelming majority are just guys dressed up as women lip-syncing to tedious and sad old throwbacks to music that was popular in the '70s, and *maybe* a Madonna or Cher tune from the '80s or '90s. There's nothing titillating about it. In fact, quite the opposite and I specifically avoid going out to the Castro when Drag Race is on because all of the bars and dance clubs turn into an un-fun watch party, which is not at all what I'm looking for when I go out. The only reasons they'd be inappropriate for kids are the venues (where they wouldn't be allowed to enter anyway) and the fact that they'd certainly find them to be even more tiresome dreck than I do. I'm sure there be sexy drag queens out there somewhere whom I'd find sexy. But I've never seen them in 20+ years living and going to gay bars and clubs in San Francisco. So wherever they are, they're a tiny quantity of edge cases.

That's not to take sides with you and your bigot brigade. I'm just not into hackneyed stereotypes like drag. But they're mostly harmless people with a mostly harmless hobby and deserve none of the hate and lies you lot are spewing at them.

 

[swilow]

If you don't have a similar reaction to seeing drag queens reading to children in libraries then I'm afraid you are complicit in the agenda of sexualizing children and ultimately normalizing pedophilia.

I dislike the drag stuff, it's ridiculous and inappropriate and yet I can think that without seeing phantom paedophiles everywhere. Your obsession is weird and hysterical.