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Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

Do what you’re told !!
oh the irony.

incidentally (i like that word), i guess you can't really formulate your own thoughts and opinions which is why you felt the need to resort to this banal, overused, and wholly unsophisticated ad hominem projection silliness.
 
cite all the reliable sources you want, your thoughts on the matter are seemingly not from a place of gnaros.

firstly, you are saying that it was pfizer dragging their feet. it's the fda. the fda is who handles this particular foia thingamabob.

you also said they would be "held and then released" after 75 years, which is also just not true. the fda were agreeing to release the documents as each page or set of pages finished being processed. not once they were all done with ALL of the pages, but at a rate of 500 per month (which is 6k per year, which comes to around 60 years for the 350k or whatever the exact number is)

requesting more time is really very common, from what i understand, in foia cases. someone has to go through them and process them; my guess for reasons would be like the airforce making sure there isn't any classified info that could put airmen at risk, for instance.
in this case, the fda apparently has almost a half a million pages to go through... they have to make sure study subjects' health information is safe (like hipaa i think), and they claim to have to make sure trade secrets don't leak out (always gotta make sure the billionaires can wring every last dime they can).

you might think the amount of time is a little insane (and iirc, it's 55 years... although different articles cite different dates, so idk),
but apparently (according to the fda who are not like ever even anything but angelic perfection, no regulatory capture or anything amiss like ever or whatever :shake: )
releasing the documents on a much faster schedule would fuck their whole schedule up for everything else, because 'they say' will take them a long time due to too few staff and too many other foia requests (whether or not the fda is bullshitting is beside the point, for the purposes of me proving you wrong :butt: hehe).

hence the attempted epic foot- dragging.

look, i want as much info as possible to be released as quickly as possible, cause i personally love learning. it would also hopefully shut some of y'all up. or maybe get pfizer's bitchass in trouble (did i mention i hate pfizer?)... but at least i try to get the facts right. it appears as though you just made up your own facts about it.



yeah, find me some REALLY good evidence that the vaccine is killing hundreds of thousands of people and we can talk about whether or not it was the right choice.



why would i get all those boosters? pretty sure no doctors are recommending a booster every other month.

and yeah, i think i'd LOVE to stay alive for my kids (and plus i'm pretty much obligated to, as a decent dad).... so i shall get vaccinated with whatever vaccines it takes to keep that habit going. even my tetanus shot (even though tetanus is obviously a doddle).

cheers, hope you don't get handicapped by some new variant or anything. hopefully you never damaged your brain from covid in the first place, or anything... seriously i don't want you to be hurt from this virus which leaves many unscathed but also handicapped and killed millions.

cheers.
My step dads had blot clots in his legs since around the time he got the vaccine. They have no answer as to where they came from , we don’t really know but there was clots with some of the vax in the beginning and multiple doctors/scientists have reported what appear to be permanent effect since to blood cells from the vaccine. It may all seem like bs until you realize how mucch freaking money was made. Pfizer alone made 100 billion in 2022 or by 2022 not clear but either way. They were pressured to make something to save the world and so they did quickly and reaped the rewards but as usual don’t care about the people

As for the Covid I haven’t been sick once since before 2020 and I never got anything. I’ve never even had a flu shot. Speaking of which where did the flu go during 2020?
My mom did get sick and it was scary. She had pneumonia and they gave her some oxygen and sent her home with some pills and she got better but it was a wake up call

She also waited wayyyyy to long to see a doctor, I guess she was afraid to find out

I still would like to know why they smeared trump as a racist for saying the virus came from China when faucci knew all along. Why isn’t he in jail?why does half of our country want to be cucks for China? China is so freaking in control of us that they unleash a virus accidentally or not, and when we say this our own people jump up and down and call their fellow Americans racist a and bigots
It’s like being a Jew in 1940 Germany , and convincing your fellow Jews you’ll be well taken care of when The nazis come to town
 
If I have to explain the way politics work then it’s a waste of breath….

Trump was president. It was election year. Coronavirus bullshit pandemic. Every move he made was criticized. He talked about “operation warpspeed” aka the mRNA vaccine that was going to be delivered in record time. So what do the actors on the left do? Say it won’t happen in time, and if it does, they won’t take it because they don’t trust him. Now I will say again it is not LITERALLY “trumps vaccine” this is political propaganda to sway the voters. It WAS said, I have not looked but just use your damn brain. Of course it was said!! They mocked and criticized everything he did but especially the year 2020. Do you understand what I am saying now sir? Shortly after Biden became president, the vaccine was suddenly available and shortly after that it was mandatory in many places. That’s called playing you for a fool

"Sir"
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?!?!

I'm not American btw, so neither Trump nor Biden did/said anything that would have an affect on me.

Trump lied 100% of the time though. Consistently. About everything. Still does. Hearing him say that when he was arresting, ALL of the arresting officers were hysterically weeping over it may be the funniest thing I have ever heard.

I mean, you don't have to be on the left to recognise that Trump is objectively a TERRIBLE person.
 
Just to say, research shows that after being diagnosed with covid 19, in the first week after infection you are 22% more likely to develop a serious clot which could lead to a stroke/heart attack.

So…

Also, I find these discussions so strange on a forum of drug users. If you happily take drugs you don’t test yourself therefore have no real idea what you’re taking then why are you worried about a vaccine?

Talking about population control, covid is the population control. It’s a natural cycle of the earth, we have pandemics that wipe out large amounts of the population.

Also, men’s fertility has been dropping for years due to environmental factors, diet etc. that’s another form of population control.

From the moment you are born you are dying, that’s the only certainty in life.
Yeah.... My friend said something similar to me as this thread title. Told him I'd hope the US government could create a more successful death inducing agent and didn't I see you inject heroin in your neck using your own saliva because you were too desperate to wait the 50yrd walk to the public bathroom sinks..... True story.
 
for me the "vaccine is population control from the man" argument falls at the first hurdle. if the govt. wanted to cull the population, how does killing off a bunch of unthinking sheep and leaving behind a bunch of noble, anti-vax, anti-government types benefit the government?

alasdair
 
My step dads had blot clots in his legs since around the time he got the vaccine. They have no answer as to where they came from , we don’t really know but there was clots with some of the vax in the beginning and multiple doctors/scientists have reported what appear to be permanent effect since to blood cells from the vaccine.
i'm sorry about your step dad, that sucks... and who knows? it might have been something exacerbated by the vaccine. or he could have been one of the like 40 or 50% of people that show little to no symptoms and it's from covid... or something completely unrelated to the vax or vid (like prescription drugs). no matter what, it's still only one anecdote, if you're trying to sell anyone that the vaccine is more unsafe than the virus (i'm not really sure about your angle, tbh).

They were pressured to make something to save the world and so they did quickly and reaped the rewards but as usual don’t care about the people
yup, i hate pfizer. but the vaccines, as you've alluded to, DID save tons of lives and still are.

[unless i missed something, although i've been reading these threads on here a lot and have seen nothing but dubious or even outlandish claims (often based upon highly incomplete or suspect data, flawed interpretations of journal articles studies and definitions, grifter manipulation, or flat - out disinfo)]

where did the flu go during 2020?
so many articles talk about it, take yer pic.
 
"Sir"
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?!?!

I'm not American btw, so neither Trump nor Biden did/said anything that would have an affect on me.

Trump lied 100% of the time though. Consistently. About everything. Still does. Hearing him say that when he was arresting, ALL of the arresting officers were hysterically weeping over it may be the funniest thing I have ever heard.

I mean, you don't have to be on the left to recognise that Trump is objectively a TERRIBLE person.
Lmao yes I suppose I did. I’m a male and therefore generally default to using male pronouns. It’s cool idc if you hate trump I can assure you that I have had a similar conversation with a lot of people. I’m not even gonna try and point out the issues here, you are free to your opinion. Idk what you mean about arresting officers tho
 
Lmao yes I suppose I did. I’m a male and therefore generally default to using male pronouns. It’s cool idc if you hate trump I can assure you that I have had a similar conversation with a lot of people. I’m not even gonna try and point out the issues here, you are free to your opinion. Idk what you mean about arresting officers tho

Haha glad you could tell I was joking :p

Oh. Trump said in a speech that when he was formally arrested several months ago, that all of the cops were crying because they didn't WANT to have to arrest him...like...he was implying they were like SOBBING over the injustice of his arrest lmao
 
i'm sorry about your step dad, that sucks... and who knows? it might have been something exacerbated by the vaccine. or he could have been one of the like 40 or 50% of people that show little to no symptoms and it's from covid... or something completely unrelated to the vax or vid (like prescription drugs). no matter what, it's still only one anecdote, if you're trying to sell anyone that the vaccine is more unsafe than the virus (i'm not really sure about your angle, tbh).


yup, i hate pfizer. but the vaccines, as you've alluded to, DID save tons of lives and still are.

[unless i missed something, although i've been reading these threads on here a lot and have seen nothing but dubious or even outlandish claims (often based upon highly incomplete or suspect data, flawed interpretations of journal articles studies and definitions, grifter manipulation, or flat - out disinfo)]


so many articles talk about it, take yer pic.
Not really selling anything just stating some things that have been my experience. No one really knows the answer to any of this shit. I am fairly certain that the virus was created in the wuhan lab, and that the scientists who created it learned how to do so from an American lab who the Chinese basically paid a fuckload of money to, to have their scientist study and learn how to do the gain of function modification to an existing virus. If one wanted to get conspiratorial, I believe it wouldn’t be too far out to say that if it was released on purpose it was either

A. Trial run for mass biological attack. Test the weapon and its gain of function whateveryacallit on humans and see how heard immunity and other factors play out. It would be wise to have a vaccine and some treatments ready in this scenario. One could argue the vaccines we’re already prepared.

B. A sort of sneak attack that could be denied, but done in such a way that world leaders understand it’s a threat or power move. Clearly China didn’t like trump, they much prefer joe Biden, and many people believe 2020 , Covid the riots etc were what caused trump to not win. Perfect timing for an emergency that shuts down the economy, literally in an emergency situation every move could be right or wrong, you’re not gonna know until later so it’s easy to criticize everything he did.

As far as the vaccine goes, you could say that since it modifies your dna or whatever there could be downstream effects in our dna, whether intentional or not. I would towards intentional if that turned out to be the case because why the hell not. Big pharmas track record not the best

I do think it was a power play. To say you must submit and do this. And it clearly divided us on a level not seen in a long time. The masks, a symbol of which side you stand on. The vaccine, if you don’t get it, you’re a trump supporter AND a murderer. We already have forgotten all the ignorant shit that happened. Masks work, no they don’t, yes they do we just said that cus we might run out. Masks only protect you, no they only protect others, actually the vaccine protects others, actually you can still get Covid and spread it even if you got the vaccine so who’s really protected? Oh then the different strains, it’s the unvaccinated, no it’s the vaccinated etc. how come we’re all caught up in this shit and China hasn’t done anything even an apology
 
for me the "vaccine is population control from the man" argument falls at the first hurdle. if the govt. wanted to cull the population, how does killing off a bunch of unthinking sheep and leaving behind a bunch of noble, anti-vax, anti-government types benefit the government?

alasdair
Somebody else mentioned that too and I think it's a very good point. However, it's possible that the evil "elites" and govt know that they don't have much time (cause the system is coming down), so they don't care about the long term ramifications of what kind of people are left over. Or similarly, when you are at the top with so much power, rationality starts to go out the window (humans were never meant to be exposed to that much power).

Could be the vax was not meat to kill, but was just a happy side effect for them.

since it modifies your dna or whatever
I'm like 99% sure that the vax reprograms your cells using RNA, to start producing the spike protein. The crazy thing is that it can NEVER shut off. A traditional vax (which I'm not against) goes in and out of your body more like drugs and the immune system learns from it. The mRNA vax makes your cells produce the spike protien until the cells are dead, so your body is chronically exposed to spike protein which is toxic (causes clots, and immune system disfunction).
The darkest fear I have lurking (I think and hope it's wrong) is that the vax causes AIDS (not HIV, but just AIDS). If what I wrote above is true, then this would follow.
 
if only there were a shred of good evidence the vaccines were killing tens of thousands... if only
If they are deadly (which I'm impartial to), it would be a slow kill or soft kill. Long term immune conditions, clots, cancers, etc.
Remember how cigarettes were treated in the 60s; doctors were advertising them. How completely and utterly corrupt is that? Point is, evil people in power get away with murder ALL the time and everybody just kind of pretends it doesn't happen.
 
If they are deadly (which I'm impartial to), it would be a slow kill or soft kill. Long term immune conditions, clots, cancers, etc.
why should we believe that this is likely or even plausible?

also
I'm like 99% sure that the vax reprograms your cells using RNA, to start producing the spike protein. The crazy thing is that it can NEVER shut off. A traditional vax (which I'm not against) goes in and out of your body more like drugs and the immune system learns from it. The mRNA vax makes your cells produce the spike protien until the cells are dead, so your body is chronically exposed to spike protein which is toxic (causes clots, and immune system disfunction).
do you have a cytation (lol punny) for this? or how are you sure? where can i read about this, my keyword combos aren't turning anything up.

The darkest fear I have lurking (I think and hope it's wrong) is that the vax causes AIDS (not HIV, but just AIDS). If what I wrote above is true, then this would follow.
the darkest fear i have lurking (i think and hope it's wrong) is that being against mrna vaccines causes people to switch sexual orientation (ie straight becomes gay, etc.). if what i wrote elsewhere is true, then this would follow.
 
I’m not sure of much anymore, but I know there’s people on both sides saying opposite things , as usual. I know there’s been doctors that say the mRNA wasn’t supposed to stay in the blood permanently but that it has in many cases. Meijer
why should we believe that this is likely or even plausible?

also

do you have a cytation (lol punny) for this? or how are you sure? where can i read about this, my keyword combos aren't turning anything up.


the darkest fear i have lurking (i think and hope it's wrong) is that being against mrna vaccines causes people to switch sexual orientation (ie straight becomes gay, etc.). if what i wrote elsewhere is true, then this would follow.
just search Covid vaccine mRNA staying in cells
 
Or blood. Multiple docs have been saying that it stays in the blood and organs which it wasn’t supposed to do or some shit. I’m no doc and don’t work at a hospital or morgue but there’s been talk of vaccinated teens having heart issues. Or course you can say well that’s propaganda I never saw it. But I feel the same way about young people getting Covid. Never saw it happen. Only older people. So why they want to force it on us
 
And they loved getting their revenge on the conservatives, asserting dominance cus they were so angry trump got elected at all.
 
soooooo... someone named just "dr. peggy" and a rando named "spiro"... are they gonna have these results published in a journal anytime soon? excuse me if i don't blindly trust some unknown random ass people who may or may not have a high school diploma and are looking in a microscope on the dinner table... i guess i'm just a sheep like that, we sheep can't help but be skeptical.

i looked it up with different keywords (not only google), apparently it's such a new revelation that only facebook and some antisemitic blog have it. yeup, must be the biggest and most elaborate conspiracy ever with zero people blowing any whistles except hacks that don't even give us their full names or what their expertise is. or did they? i skipped around, once i saw that the dude could be my son, i decided i'd just wait for jama to publish these amazing results.

what are doc peg's credentials? a doctorate in epidemiology or cytology, hopefully. but i'm sure she'll tell us at some point.
Credentialism is pure cope in this circumstance. Ngl I’d be doing the exact same shit if I were a vaxxie.
 
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