so woke is not specific to a certain ideology - just ideology generally? so there are woke liberals and woke conservatives?
does simply thinking ideologically as your main mode of thinking make you woke?
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so woke is not specific to a certain ideology - just ideology generally? so there are woke liberals and woke conservatives?
does simply thinking ideologically as your main mode of thinking make you woke?
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Woke is a cult. Its followers believe that everything should be viewed through a racial lens with white men being the oppressors, that men can be women and that we must quit using fossil fuels (but not switch to nuclear) to save the planet.
Many woke people know deep down what they say they believe is absolute nonsense but they are cowards and will cower to social pressure.
Many woke people know deep down what they say they believe is absolute nonsense but they are cowards and will cower to social pressure.
Please @alasdairm , everything does not work that way !
For concrete example; all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.
All apples are fruit but not all fruit are apples.
All prime numbers over 2 are odd, but not all odd numbers over 2 are prime.
Please try again. There are plenty of people who in terms of ideology but only some are woke.
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i consider myself "woke", and by "woke" i mean i care about people and biological life in general and want to learn how to better everyone (except scammers that target the vulnerable, rapists, child abusers, and pussy ass murderers... they can all go fuck themselves in prison) to make the world a generally better place.
and i don't believe ANY of that shit you said (except i would LOVE for us to get off the gas/ oil teat, and that trans people are having the experience they say they are).
have you ever chatted with a "woke" person irl to see what they believe? cause i have many woke friends, and our beliefs are all over the place. we are not a monolith.
who what in terms of ideology? think?
that sentence doesn't really make sense.
i'm not disagreeing with you - i'm just trying to understand your original comment as it's a definition of "woke" that i've not really heard.
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divide and conquer
variants or divide and rule
: to make a group of people disagree and fight with one another so that they will not join together against one
Rinse.
Repeat.
One of the oldest tricks in the book, and works like a charm and has for hundreds of years, especially with those who have a slave mentality...
verb
- A combination of political, military and economic strategies that aim to gain and maintain power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy.
- In order to rule securely, don't allow alliances of your enemies.
divide and conquer
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variants or divide and rule
: to make a group of people disagree and fight with one another so that they will not join together against one
Rinse.
Repeat.
One of the oldest tricks in the book, and works like a charm and has for hundreds of years, especially with those who have a slave mentality...
I wasn't trying define woke as such. It was a response to the following post. It was quoted in my original response for that reason. I bolded the key point in the post I quoted this time to assist you in focusing into what I was trying to point out to S S.
Neither are more or less "evolved" than others in their time.
The term @SpiralusSancti was looking for was "self realized".
If people stopped using the terms "woke" or enlightened" in this inaccurate manner everyone might have less misunderstandings.
Woke, or enlightened are (commonly) conflated with self realization when they are just a sociological term to describe the way a group of people frame their views of reality at a particular time in history.
Neither are more or less "evolved" than others in their time.
The term @SpiralusSancti was looking for was "self realized".
If people stopped using the terms "woke" or enlightened" in this inaccurate manner everyone might have less misunderstandings.
ok. thanks.
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You literally agree with 2 out of the 3 things that I said.
I believe trans people are having an experience - which is gender dysphoria, mental illness and a type of hallucination or warped perception of reality.
If you literally think a man can be a woman - then you are "woke". You're also denying reality due to your empathy being weaponized by people who want to rape children (LGBTQ political activists) and have convinced you that by simply stating obvious objective reality that will then lead to the suicidal genocide of countless transgenders.
If you want to get off gas/oil for nuclear, great. If you want to get off gas/oil for wind/solar - then you're in the woke cult. Details matter, don't leave them out.
I care about people and biological life - I'm just sensible about how to go about it and I'm not brainwashed by lies emanating from the woke cult.
Telling a crazy person that they'll feel better after they castrate themselves, or suggesting that we cripple our energy infrastructure is anti-human. Your intentions may be good but in reality you're perpetuating evil.
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good.
wait, whattt? lol who is advocating for the rape of children? i've not heard a SINGLE politician, lgbtq or not, openly advocating for child rape. enlighten me, maybe? so i know who not to vote for? who, specifically, are you referring to?
what's wrong with wind/ solar? or are you saying it makes no sense to want ONLY wind/ solar? ok, sure. i agree with that one. can't wait for fusion, especially.
there is no fucking 'woke cult' dude, holy fuck. literally everyone on earth has more complex positions than any one fucking braindead label given by some smartass on the internet. liberals, leftists, progressives, left libertarians, moderates... etc. etc. etc. we and they are not a monolith. i wish you knew that it's possible to formulate one's own opinion. this stuff would go a lot easier if you'd try it out yourself.
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i feel like this is an attempt to waste my time
i literally don't, here lemme break it down:
i don't believe that shit. i don't know anyone irl that does.
as i've stated, i believe trans people are having the experience they do, and am just fine with them getting all the surgeries and hormone therapies they'd like... it's a free country. i will also call them by their pronouns, even if they are different than the ones they were born with (cause i'm not an egocentric and idiotic piece of shit). i'll leave the definitions of male/ female or woman/ man (in the context of transgender topics) to the psychologists (i'm not one), cause i really am not typically interested in the semantics battle when it comes to bigger social or political topics.
i really don't like the way you put it, that phrasing is clearly bigoty bait, but if you wanna go with me agreeing, well then let's call that a point 5.
nope, don't believe that. firstly, this rock will be fine (to paraphrase carlin), it's us humans that will be fucked (plus you know, the countless species that are already undergoing extinction) if we put the pedal to the metal on fossil fuels. i'd love to see internal combustion vehicles become the minority (especially if it means i never have to see/ hear/ smell some chud rolling coal ever again). and i've ALWAYS been an advocate for nuclear.
since your hyperbole pretty much points to me wanting to greatly lower our dependence on fossil fuels, let's call that another point 5.
so .5 + .5, or 1 out of 3, at best.
i'm guessing you've never met, nor talked to a 'woke' person in real life. that's one sexy strawman, though.
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They're not going to come out and say they're advocating for the rape of children, einstein. You need to read between the lines (something I've noticed you're incapable of doing).
Also it's not necessarily rape if they're able to change the laws to legally allow sex with minors, which is one of the goals. But first what's currently happening is the normalisation of the sexualisation of children.
So yes, the LGBTQ+ movement, in it current iteration, promotes the sexualisation of children.
If you do not object to drag queens performing for toddlers - then you are supporting pedophilia (you just might be too dumb or brainwashed to realize it). And there are many gay people who DO object to this stuff. Which is why I explicitly point out that it's LGBTQ+ activists (who are sometimes not even gay themselves).
Also check out the policies passed by Scott Wiener (D-CA), they're bordering on pedo-friendly and will only continue to get worse.
Wind/solar technology is not even close to being able to power the entire word, so forcing a switch now basically amounts to mass murder and genocide.
If support removing coal/oil/gas now and switching to renewables (without nuclear) then you support genocide.
Shutting down pipelines at this point (like Biden did with Keystone) is facilitating genocide.
If you say the phrase "women can have penises" - and mean it (not necessarily believe it, but mean it) - then you are part of the woke cult.
People in the cult generally share the same or very similar political opinions on quite a few issues.
But the main one I'd say is viewing the world through the racial lens, with white people being the evil oppressors and minorities being the noble savages.
If you don't then tell me 3 positive things about white people.
I will also call a trans person by their preferred pronoun because I am compassionate to people who are mentally ill.
But if you cannot define "man" or "woman", when any 10 year old can, and instead you defer the basic definition to psychologists - well, you're woke, son.
I know people who would fall into this category. But I can very quickly ascertain whether someone is ready to hear my political opinions or not. The reasons I generally don't converse with woke people (on these subjects) is because they simply are not interested in civil conversation or debate. They get extremely emotional and angry. They will cut you off and refuse to be friends with you if you hold a certain opinion. I'm more interested in the psychology behind why these people think the things that they do and why they are more susceptible to government propaganda and nonsensical ideologies. I have noticed that it's most women and low-testosterone males who gravitate towards this stuff which makes sense because they feel more protected in a tribe or group.
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please look this word up, you clearly don't know what it means.
fuck this thread, it's basically a way for hateful bigots to trash trans people. i need some sunshine.
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Why to psychologists, and not, let's say, physicians? Do you believe that men/women are just mental concepts?
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious. I agree with everything you said in that paragraph, up to this sentence.
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These if/then statements are doing a massive amount of work for you. It's not really very precise language tbh. It seems really emotional and hysterical. Reality isn't as black and white/heroes and villains as you try to paint it. Most of the time, it's not about malicious intent- it's often moral certitude leading to an unwanted hellscape. It's nuanced.
I mean, I agree with you on the surface. Kids shouldn't be exposed to drag shows, not using nuclear is insane. But painting your opposition as evil is lazy. Trying to see how they are just humans with different moral values to you is both more difficult but also way more effective if its minds you're trying to change and not merely outrage you're fostering.
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