Gun Pulled & Man Maced As Neo-Nazi Protestors Surround Family Drag Storytime Event

[Electrum1]

To indoctrinate these materials need to be curriculum. It’s why you see the establishment dropping every resource into this fight. It’s interesting how they never give examples of the books in state media, something to notice.

Yeah I just mean removing it from the curriculum isn't banning it if the kid can just buy it and keep it in their backpack or whatever. Curriculums change all the time

 

[Droppersneck]

Yeah I just mean removing it from the curriculum isn't banning it if the kid can just buy it and keep it in their backpack or whatever. Curriculums change all the time

Yep we are on the same page, just stressing why the establishment is making a big deal about this and dropping tons of resources on it.

 

[Electrum1]

Alright, yeah I agree it's suspicious why they are so adamant about pushing books that have modern sexual stuff in it into the curriculum, especially at elementary school age. Clearly it's to influence children

 

[sunday.bird]

I personally haven't had an issue or heard of anyone ever having an issue with a book in circulation. It's usually Christians that have issues with lack of censorship of literature in education.

Does anyone here actually have any experience with a sexual book being pushed on their kids?

Nobody is pushing porn on my daughter that I'm aware of. The idea sounds absurd. I'm not going to bother checking what books they have at her kinder.

As to whether anyone is pushing anything (on anyone) I'm certainly as exhausted by the term LGBT as anybody else here. I just don't really think they're pushing it on kids.

I'm mildly concerned about bringing up children in such a "pro-trans" society, but he existence of trans people trumps anything in media. They exist. Kids are going to encounter them. We don't pretend gay people don't exist.

I'd prefer to raise my kids in a less confusing time because I'm not convinced that the alarming acceleration of the trans movement is good for society long-term, but there's nothing that can be done.

Kick and scream all I like, this is the world I am raising my kids in... and - big picture - it's pretty fucking amazing.

I definitely prefer the 80s/90s. No internet. No woke bullshit. No trans movement. Etc.

I don't know if that's just me being nostalgic, but I don't think so.

I think we are post-peak in many ways, but 2023 in Melbourne still beats the shit out of most times and places throughout history.

It's my responsibility to control what my daughter reads and watches. I go to the local library with her every week and get 21 books. I've been doing this for ages. We've read hundreds of books. Not a single one of them said anything sexual whatsoever.

This - like the Drag Queen Story Time thing - is a boogeyman.

The left have their boogeymen and so do the right.

When I was more right-leaning, I got sucked into some of that bullshit.

At the end of the day, neither side of the political spectrum reflects the reality I observe on a daily basis.

Politics is shit.

it's suspicious why they are so adamant about pushing books that have modern sexual stuff in it into the curriculum, especially at elementary school age. Clearly it's to influence children

1. If you haven't directly encountered these books with your kids, at what scale do you assume this is happening?

2. Who are "they"? And why do they want to influence children sexually?

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The truth is less interesting I think, @Electrum1.

Gay and trans people like writing books like everyone else. It makes sense for them to write themselves into books. We all write about ourselves.

There are lots of kids books with mothers and fathers.

Do you want your kids reading books about families with two fathers?

Is that "them" trying to influence children?

What books are we talking about specifically that are inappropriate for kids and what library or school or whatever was responsible for giving them to kids? That's a legit question. I'm not being rhetorical. I want to know. We're talking about it, right? So: we might as well actually discuss the subject at hand.

You could be right. I honestly haven't looked into it. Maybe there are downright pornographic kids films being published in the United States while simultaneously books like Roald Dahl's The Twits continue to be edited for the latest generation of snowflakes. The US is a crazy place sometimes. It wouldn't surprise me that much.

It's funny (I think) that Americans and Australians both became less likely to migrate to - or even visit - each other after the pandemic.

It's as if Australians became more Australian and Americans became more American. That's a good thing, I think.

You should visit, though. I'll buy you a beer... or six.

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I saw this Disney film in the cinema last year that got review bombed because one of the main characters (a biracial teenager) is openly gay. This didn't bother me in the slightest. The homophobic reviews (were parents wrote about ideology being forced down their throat and whatnot) bothered me. It's easy to find a reminder that there are still oblivious bigots in the world.

After reading a dozen or so of these reviews, it became clear that they have not come to accept the fact that they are raising their kids in 2023.

This is the world we live in.

It's not so bad.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Gay and trans people like writing books like everyone else. It makes sense for them to write themselves into books. We all write about ourselves.

I agree. That seems like what a lot of it is about to me. I haven't seen much evidence that books with explicit sex stuff are being aggressively "pushed" unto kids...yeah once in a while an inappropriate book for a particular age range may make it into a library or into a curriculum, but merely informing children that gay people exist isn't the same as the libs shipping your kids off to pervert re-education camp, where the teacher instructs them in mathematics while wearing assless chaps or something. I just wish people would cut others some slack and not just immediately jump to the most uncharitable conclusion

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Actually, that is exactly what it is, by definition.

Just saying... let's call it like it is. If it's not banning books, then what is it?

No it is not banning. Public and private libraries do this all the time. Schools and classes Kindergarten through 12, colleges, and universities remove books from a class reading list, and at the private libraries of colleges and universities books get removed from the catalog or borrowing system all the time.

It is not the same as actual book banning where certain literature or books are denied publishing and any remaining copies are destroyed.

 

[Xorkoth]

Alright, that's fair, I will admit that statement was a bit reactionary.

But I will verbally indicate that I liked bird's most recent post, and agree with it.

 

[xtcgrrrl]

TikTok lawyer lists sex offenders to make important point about drag queens

Lawyer Kristen Prata Browde has been sharing a weekly list of US charges for child sexual abuse and, surprise, none of them are drag queens

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I’d just like to leave this here…

Additionally, @sunday.bird, I agreed with almost everything you said. Grew up in the 80s/90s, and they definitely felt better/safer, but that could just be a child’s perception, longing for the good old days? I do agree that we are in decline as a society though, and I believe everyone is sensing that. In fact, I think that that’s why there’s all these culture wars over stupid things that don’t matter like drag story hour; it’s to distract from the bigger picture. You guys do that, I’ll be stocking my bugout bag, thanks

 

[nepalnt21]

Speaking as a "LGBTQ+" (can't help but to roll my eyes, sorry) person, we don't need told we exist. We know we exist and so does everyone else. It's 2023, so let's see... I would say the vast majority of the world stopped giving a shit and overtly discriminating against us like well over a decade ago.

there are high profile right wing scumbags that are CURRENTLY calling for the systematic eradication of trans people.... sooooo sorry you feel unable to assimilate into our archaic society of toxic masculinity, but not sorry that trans people are trying to gain the mainstream acceptance that will eventually render the calls for their genocide flaccid.

 

[Electrum1]

Dude, like 40 of them were killed last year and most of those were by "partners" or random killings. What a massive genocide

 

[InvegaIsdeath]

there are high profile right wing scumbags that are CURRENTLY calling for the systematic eradication of trans people.... sooooo sorry you feel unable to assimilate into our archaic society of toxic masculinity, but not sorry that trans people are trying to gain the mainstream acceptance that will eventually render the calls for their genocide flaccid.

High profile as in Twitter account? There's literally no right wing scumbags with any power calling for genocide, nor have they or will they do it.


Ps - personally liking or wanting or cheering on genocide isn't illegal

 

[mal3volent]

there are high profile right wing scumbags that are CURRENTLY calling for the systematic eradication of trans people.... sooooo sorry you feel unable to assimilate into our archaic society of toxic masculinity, but not sorry that trans people are trying to gain the mainstream acceptance that will eventually render the calls for their genocide flaccid.

right so let's force children to be around drag queens, that'll help

 

[Neuroborean]

I'm mildly concerned about bringing up children in such a "pro-trans" society, but he existence of trans people trumps anything in media. They exist. Kids are going to encounter them. We don't pretend gay people don't exist.

I'd prefer to raise my kids in a less confusing time because I'm not convinced that the alarming acceleration of the trans movement is good for society long-term, but there's nothing that can be done.

I'm quite concerned, in fact.
I think the naïvety in this society is quite problematic but your comment shows more truth about the problem, you're being sincere:
"But there's nothing that can be done" is the basic thought of most people, so they just prefer to accept it and don't give an actual fuck about it. Let's be honest, it's very complicated if there's no agenda at all, imagine if there's an agenda.... (comtemplating both scenarios). Morals very rarely escape economic laws, economic laws are in a way guided by ecology, and ecology says: let's not waste resources/energy if it's not needed (for my survival).

1. If you haven't directly encountered these books with your kids, at what scale do you assume this is happening?

2. Who are "they"? And why do they want to influence children sexually?

Using your own vocabulary: yep, it's the boogeyman so if there's 3 books on which there's trans and one in 30 that shows something innapropiate sexually talking (for children) then surely it will appear in social media of those who feel concerned by those things...

Statistically talking there could be a reason to be concerned,
A good friend of mine, one of the people with whom I took my first mushrooms and LSD, is now a university professor of Sociology.
He considers himself a "socialist" and is quite Marxist, but in a quite critical and intelligent way, he is not some boring, woke and stupid guy, he has courage and values what is valuable in the tradition.
We often talk about social changes and he refers to his classes, he has been seeing new students for at least 5 years, actually more, as before he was as a teacher he was as a student and intern. We could say that he has not left the university for more than 10 years.
He comments that every year there are more trans or "queer" in his classes, he also comments that it seems to be a fashion and that it is hardly possible to make critical comments in class on various issues, since the students immediately get annoyed or feel offended. There is, however, always a critical core, in every class and in every course.

My point of view is that the confusion of these times is being orchestrated, before there were no books in which there were trans, and much less for children. You have to have some sensitivity and think about what is best for a child. Ironically, pounding a child with what is good or bad or putting things in the soup is not teaching a child.
My mother is a children's book writer, or at least she was for several years, even winning a couple of national awards.

Sometimes she talks to current mothers who like her book and those friends tell her that current children's books are BORING FUCKING BULLSHIT in which all the time they try to indoctrinate the child in something, there are no quality stories, there are no quality characters, there is no real literature, it's all an unbearable bore in which they try to "teach" the child to accept something, to be this or that way, to eat this or that, to share, to take care of nature. ... everything seems to be written by Victorian moralists but in a woke style, everything seems to be written by new age self-help writers, without any imagination whatsoever. Morals without stories, unfunny characters, self-help for toddlers. This is not what kids want. It's not what kids need.

Responding to who "They" are.
They are a group of people with extremely high purchasing power, who, bored with their money, intend to receive mental orgasms often, like you when you play Sim City.
They receive those orgasms through Control and Power. It is to be understood that they think they do "good" so they call themselves "philanthropists".
Well, these "philanthropists" have come to the conclusion that there are too many of us on this planet, at least the westerners, since we "consume" many resources and we have a lifestyle that is very expensive to their interests, besides we give too much importance to our rights and to have a dignified life with few sessions of labor slavery.
With the advent of AI and robots, the number of unemployed people with the desire to eat and too much free time would be too high, so "they" are trying to solve this problem in various ways.

One of those ways is to dismantle the core of society: the traditional family. They don't really have too much against "family" or "tradition" as a concept (unless you think all "they" are hardcore satanists). They just think it's the condition of possibility for the existence of more slaves, a means to reproduce more slaves. The problem is that now they are not as necessary as before and social atomization is also very convenient because the greater the atomization, the greater the "ghettoization" and the greater the individualism, the less possibility of social revolts.
That is why the explosion of "types of families", "genders", "queers", "drags", "subcultures", tribes and so on is highly beneficial for their long term plans: to keep the cake for themselves.

 

[GeorgeWashington]

there are high profile right wing scumbags that are CURRENTLY calling for the systematic eradication of trans people.... sooooo sorry you feel unable to assimilate into our archaic society of toxic masculinity, but not sorry that trans people are trying to gain the mainstream acceptance that will eventually render the calls for their genocide flaccid.

The only people I’ve met talk about that sort of thing, are usually Mexican or black. Just saying. They hate that shit.

Of course I’m generalizing, and there’s black and Mexican trans ppl obviously but the people who would actually pull the trigger on some trans person on the street, they’re more on the gangsta side, than conservative. At least these days

 

[sunday.bird]

@Neuroborean

Nice post. I agree and disagree. I dont have time to respond to everything you said atm, but I will say there are heaps of great kids books being published. There have always been crappy kids books. Particularly those aimed at young children... I think there are more shit books now but also more good books. Same as modern TV. Lots of shit being produced but there was fuck all good TV back in the 80s. Just dont watch the reality TV shit. There are more quality shows produced by HBO alone than all the production companies combined in the 80s.

I hear a lot of complaints everywhere about how the world was better in the good old days, and I agree somewhat (although I suspect on some level that's just nostalgia and in reality I'm becoming a surly old fogey like my dad and his dad etc).

A lot of things (most things?) are getting better, I think. Unfortunately the things that are getting worse are... concerning.

There's nothing I can do about the trans movement. It used to bother me. I have accepted it, now. I can't change the world. Its better for my kids for me to focus on doing my best for them, rather than trying to stop the tide.

I'm 5 days into a "clothing optional" nudist festival. Wasnt 100% sure how my daughter would react to the nudity. She didnt react. She doesn't care at all. It's a total non issue. Adults focus on genitals. Kids just see people. One of our neighbouring tents was occupied by a nudist. He was but naked the entire time he was camping. My daughter had numerous conversations with him and other nude people.

Reading some of the uptight (no offence to anyone) comments on here about kids and nudity has helped me accept the trans movement and make peace with it.

At the end of the day, I think all my concern has been much ado about nothing.

It doesn't matter.

 

[VerbalTruist]

The only people I’ve met talk about that sort of thing, are usually Mexican or black. Just saying. They hate that shit.

Of course I’m generalizing, and there’s black and Mexican trans ppl obviously but the people who would actually pull the trigger on some trans person on the street, they’re more on the gangsta side, than conservative. At least these days

Uh. What?

 

[Las Veghost grower]

@Neuroborean

Nice post. I agree and disagree. I dont have time to respond to everything you said atm, but I will say there are heaps of great kids books being published. There have always been crappy kids books. Particularly those aimed at young children... I think there are more shit books now but also more good books. Same as modern TV. Lots of shit being produced but there was fuck all good TV back in the 80s. Just dont watch the reality TV shit. There are more quality shows produced by HBO alone than all the production companies combined in the 80s.

I hear a lot of complaints everywhere about how the world was better in the good old days, and I agree somewhat (although I suspect on some level that's just nostalgia and in reality I'm becoming a surly old fogey like my dad and his dad etc).

A lot of things (most things?) are getting better, I think. Unfortunately the things that are getting worse are... concerning.

There's nothing I can do about the trans movement. It used to bother me. I have accepted it, now. I can't change the world. Its better for my kids for me to focus on doing my best for them, rather than trying to stop the tide.

I'm 5 days into a "clothing optional" nudist festival. Wasnt 100% sure how my daughter would react to the nudity. She didnt react. She doesn't care at all. It's a total non issue. Adults focus on genitals. Kids just see people. One of our neighbouring tents was occupied by a nudist. He was but naked the entire time he was camping. My daughter had numerous conversations with him and other nude people.

Reading some of the uptight (no offence to anyone) comments on here about kids and nudity has helped me accept the trans movement and make peace with it.

At the end of the day, I think all my concern has been much ado about nothing.

It doesn't matter.

I’m sorry but how old is your daughter….a adult was having a conversation with your daughter with his cock just hangin right in front of her ? I pray she is old enough to not be eye level with his hairy dick…Fucking hell , I swear to god some people are just fucking insane, nothing els can be said

 

[Xorkoth]

I used to go to fourth of July parties every year that this hippie community threw. Most of the adults were naked. All their kids were there. Never once did I experience any negative or even uncomfortable vibes. Never once were any kids looking the least bit uncomfortable, because they grew up that way, and no one told them it was weird or pervy or whatever. Nudity isn't sexual, it's just the human body. Unless you make it sexual.

I get that not everybody is going to agree with that, but I think it's a shame that we teach our kids that nudity is somehow dirty. It's not, unless someone makes it dirty. I grew up being taught nudity was dirty and I still struggle with being ashamed of my body. It's shitty.

I don't get what that has to do with trans people, though.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

It’s not that it’s dirty, although the only things we use them for could be considered dirty, shitting pissing jamming them into each others shit and piss ports ect….but seriously, it’s unnecessary and I’m sure more often then not will lead to something negative rather then positive , but whatever, just keep my kid out of it

 

[sunday.bird]

My daughter is 4.

She looks at people in the eyes when she's talking to them.

Midgets, also, don't stare at non-midgets between the legs. They look up.

Weird, huh?

PS. He was clean shaved. No hair.