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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

The Axe said:
Of course the 2nd Amendment can be repealed, the Constitution has been amended several times. If people think a well regulated militia is no longer needed, they'll repeal the 2nd Amendment. There's no constitutional magic about guns and militias being some absolutely necessary element for a republican democracy to function. We can project military power anywhere in the world and spend trillions of dollars on wars in places like Iran and Iraq without batting an eye. We don't need an 18th century anachronism like the 2nd Amendment anymore. We already own a big chunk of North America from the Eastern seaboard the the Western, what civil and democratically functional roles do private militia actively play in the American state today? As far as I can tell none whatsoever. Unlike in 1776-1783 when local militias did fight in the Revolutionary War, and most every war with Native Americans prior to that. As a political state we have evolved far beyond needing a well regulated militia. As far as disarmament 'never going to happen' we already have all the resources to accomplish it. We don't have the political willpower to do it right now but I'm pretty sure in a few generations that will drastically change.
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yea but you would need 38 states to agree to amending the Constitution

i most certainly stand by my initail statement and will repeat:

never going to happen
 
Well we agree to disagree then because I'm a dependable repeal the Second Amendment voter who's on the lookout to pass the Twenty Eighth Amendment:

"The Second Amendment is hereby repealed."
 
Jerry Atrick said:
I'm not disagreeing with you at all here. I'm sure nobody knows the long term effects of pregnant women using ADs. My point was that half the arena is blaming mental illness yet doing nothing to repair the status quo of mental healthcare as it exists in the US. Not only do they not want to improve it, they won't even allow people access to mental healthcare as it exists now, otherwise we'd have universal healthcare.

Example: Here in Texas we've prolly had more than half a dozen mass shootings in the past 6 years and our governor Greg Abbott has held that office for 7 years. Texas currently ranks like 49 out of 50 states in mental healthcare. A few years ago Abbott even came out and publicly stated (or tweeted) that he doesn't even believe in mental illness. Fucker believes in some old guy up in the clouds calling shots but not mental illness. But supposedly mental illness and it's medications are to blame for all the shootings.

I feel like I'm repeating myself but I call bullshit. As someone who lives with mental illness it pisses me off that we catch the blame every time some evil fucking incel shoots up the place. As if the stigma wasn't bad enough. Maybe the shooter was bullied and didn't have a dad to teach him how to fight to defend himself, maybe he is ugly and can't get laid, I don't know the reasons why they do it but being bullied or ugly is not a symptom of mental illness. Hell, I've been fighting my whole life and used to get laid a ton 20 years ago, didn't stop me from getting hit with the mental illness lottery. I just don't see enough correlation here. The vast majority of the other mentally ill people I've met in psych wards and what not wouldn't hurt a fly. They are people you prolly see every day at work or in your mosque or at your kids' PTA meeting who just want to go about their lives and be left alone.

And I'm not saying all mass shooters lack mental illness, I'm just saying prolly of 90% or more of folks living with mental illness are not violent towards other people.
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i hear what you're saying

but it's no different than jihadists give muslims a bad name

or the mafia gives italians a bad name

or pedophile priests give the catholic church a bad name



but seriously - you're mentally ill if you wanna shoot up a school full of elementary kids

and there's some violent mentally ill people - maybe it's only 2% but that's no different than the examples i just gave of the italians, priests, etc.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
There to many people that are actually willing to literally go to war with the government over the right to bare arms
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Try Uncle Sam then and let's see how you do. If the Second Amendment is repealed not only are you a criminal you're un-American.

Besides, insinuating that we have to put up with rampant gun violence watching freinds, family members, fellow community members being mass murdered, or people will go to war with the government and kill even more people when their gun ownership is threatened is a pretty sick.
 
Amazing that people want to give the government even more power over private citizens considering how incompetent and corrupt they've proven to be

Remember Operation Fast and Furious when the govt allowed ~2,000 guns to be illegally bought so they could track them to cartel members, but lost track of ~1,300 of them.
 
The Axe said:
Well we agree to disagree then because I'm a dependable repeal the Second Amendment voter who's on the lookout to pass the Twenty Eighth Amendment:

"The Second Amendment is hereby repealed."
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Do you ever worry you’er being short sighted, and that we haven’t progressed as much as you think since 1776 or w/e historical date you fancy?
 
The Axe said:
So in addition to having guns about so we have daily mass murders in civil society, we should also have guns so we can shoot the President of the United States when our opponent wins the election?
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i was joking

i do that sometimes - sorry
 
So you repeal the 2A... then what, it's a state rights thing? So then... you can all go to hell, and I'll go to Texas :)
 
Electrum1 said:
Remember Operation Fast and Furious when the govt allowed ~2,000 guns to be illegally bought so they could track them to cartel members, but lost track of ~1,300 of them.
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Interesting, major cartels actually get almost all of their guns from looted military armouries in Central America

Guns from the states are semi auto and these cartels have full auto m-4s with attached grenade launchers, etc
 
The Axe said:
Try Uncle Sam then and let's see how you do. If the Second Amendment is repealed not only are you a criminal you're un-American.

Besides, insinuating that we have to put up with rampant gun violence watching freinds, family members, fellow community members being mass murdered, or people will go to war with the government and kill even more people when their gun ownership is threatened is a pretty sick.
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Look guns scare you, I get it, but a boom dosent make most of us pee our pants, so if guns bother you then there are many other much better more free countries to live in
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Look guns scare you, I get it, but a boom dosent make most of us pee our pants, so if guns bother you then there are many other much better more free countries to live in
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Let’s just utterly scrap the love it or leave it manipulative thinking.. non of us need to leave our homeland because we agree or disagree with current policy or policy changes.. if people believe this then they should hit the road.
 
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