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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

nazism, terrorism, demon, frakenstien are all used to create a trigger response of we and them
there is no separation... just ideas/ideals that are instilled
everyone calling everyone a nazi... does this word even contain weight anymore? i would bet that those under 30vyrs have no clue what a nazi is
 
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DesertHarp said:
I'm offended that you are imputing to me ideas that I certainly don't hold and have not expressed in my post. Go find someone who holds those dreadful ideas, if you want a debate like that.
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I don't think he was indicting you, or claiming you believed anything. I think he was just responding. Feel free to continue debating and conversing in good faith.
 
Clearly, Putin came up with this de-Nazification story as a cover that he thought he could sell to his countrymen, for whom any revival of Naziism arouses the strongest of defensive instincts. Putin did not send an army to Ukraine to fight Nazis. The army was sent to proclaim his outrage at the growing alliance between Ukraine and NATO.

Did he have a right to that outrage? I don't care much, if he did or he didn't. I think Ukraine has a right to make whatever alliance it wishes with whomever. Turns out that poor Ukraine had considerably less of a "strategic partnership" than it thought it had. They thought Big Daddy had their back. Well . . . . "Yes" . . . . and "Nooooo, not ezacly." "But we're rootin for you."

There are layers to this horrid tragic debacle. The role played by Nazis or wanna-be Nazis or those vaguely tolerant of that sort requires some thoughtful delving into. If you like your narratives real simple and straight-forward, then there is not much we can discuss.
 
Experience has taught me to be tolerant, open and honest; to be single minded is a slow suicide.
Putin invaded long before the UN came into the picture. I think, anyway. I know it is about control of fuel(s) movements and ownerships... oil will run out so we will get more desperate. There will be more wars and they will be more ruthless. My opinion
 
I think I actually landed on a different thread than I was trying to respond to. (I'm brand new to Blue light.) I thought this was a thread initially about NAZI activity in Poland.

I'll figure it out.
 
It was only a matter of time before the Western propaganda got exposed and people started to see the real results of this conflict.

Multiple Western officials are now calling for a ceasefire. Even Kissinger is suggesting that Ukraine cede territory to Russia to end the conflict (Russia in fact wants to recognize the Donbass as independent, they don't want to take the land they just want the citizens there to be protected from murderous Ukrainian aggression).

The Russian ruble is at its highest point against the US/Euro than it has been over the past 5+ years or so.

And the continued destruction of Western energy/food production continues. However now Western leaders have the convenient option to pass the blame onto Putin for their disastrous and psychopathic agendas to kill and starve people in their countries, even though it's been going on for years already. I wish people were wise and aware enough to realize what's going on.
 
DesertHarp said:
I'm offended that you are imputing to me ideas that I certainly don't hold and have not expressed in my post. Go find someone who holds those dreadful ideas, if you want a debate like that.
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Huh? I was just saying that believing that Ukrainians are a bunch of nazis and that that means it's okay to invade them is the oldest propaganda playbook in the world. If that's not what you were saying, then I guess I misunderstood you. I'm saying, yeah of course there are nazis in Ukraine. There are everywhere. The far right vote got about 2% in Ukraine's last election. I don't see that as a worrisome proportion of the population. Russia claiming that Ukraine is full of nazis is just a ploy to get people to support their invasion of Ukraine... they're saviors, not oppressors. It's the oldest play in the book. It's the same tactic countless other natons, including the US, have used to justify invading other nations.

That's what I'm trying to say. I was responding to what you said.
 
JGrimez said:
It was only a matter of time before the Western propaganda got exposed and people started to see the real results of this conflict.

Multiple Western officials are now calling for a ceasefire. Even Kissinger is suggesting that Ukraine cede territory to Russia to end the conflict (Russia in fact wants to recognize the Donbass as independent, they don't want to take the land they just want the citizens there to be protected from murderous Ukrainian aggression).

The Russian ruble is at its highest point against the US/Euro than it has been over the past 5+ years or so.

And the continued destruction of Western energy/food production continues. However now Western leaders have the convenient option to pass the blame onto Putin for their disastrous and psychopathic agendas to kill and starve people in their countries, even though it's been going on for years already. I wish people were wise and aware enough to realize what's going on.
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It’s falsely propped up because putin raised inflation by 20% and is forcing countries to pay for oil amd gas in rubles forcing the sale of rubles. So even though the stores are empty and prices for goods are double the rate of the ruble has rebounded but it’s not a genuine rebound. It would look that way if you glanced at it and put no other thought into it but that’s simply not the case. Raising inflation by 20% is extreme for example we raised inflation by .5 percent here and the stock market tanked so use that as a metric for the effect it is having on the Russians at home. Russians are also banned from buying dollars also boosting the ruble. The ruble is only where it is because of currency manipulation and creating demand for rubles where there was none.

and putin is stealing grain creating a global famine so it’s bizarre that you would even bring up starving when your hero putin has a history of using starvation as a war tactic And is doing it again

what western propaganda got exposed exactly ? Aside from your flawed understanding of economics?
 
Dropperneck said:
Imagine if we had spent just one billion of the ukraine ‘aid’ on mental health programs. Globohomo priorities are far more important than the citizens of the country to these people.
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the us has a mental health program that they feel is extremely successful and making them money not costing them money so they see no reason to change it
it’s called prison

Edited to add… before anyone says how much prison costs the tax payers I wanted to say they make more money then it costs. They have built an entire industry around it and a lot of the fees for probation and UA fees get passed on to the prisoner and the privatization of the prison industry is a goldmine so the oh it costs 100k to house a person for a year that figure is old doesn’t really show the goldmine that prisoners is in phone calls that cost insane amounts of money food that is overpriced these magazines that families have to buy clothes and blankets from that are so overpriced

The prison system is a rigged con against the poor milking them dry from money they don’t have
 
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Electrum1 said:
www.bloomberg.com

Russian Wins in Eastern Ukraine Spark Debate Over Course of War

Russian troops are making steady progress in Ukraine’s east on the back of more-concentrated artillery and air power, now controlling almost all of the Luhansk region and threatening to encircle thousands of Ukraine’s most experienced troops.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
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Not at all surprising.The pandora's box is open and situation is so complicating,that i cannot imagine what will happen.Russia slowly and methodically take what they wants.The whole future of Ukranian Black sea coast is unsure.Now from the stupidity and greedness of handful billioners all gonna suffered.....add to this Global weather changin',comming of World recession......and i wanna just gettin'high.fuck.fuck.fuck!!!
 
jane douloureux said:
the us has a mental health program that they feel is extremely successful and making them money not costing them money so they see no reason to change it
it’s called prison

Edited to add… before anyone says how much prison costs the tax payers I wanted to say they make more money then it costs. They have built an entire industry around it and a lot of the fees for probation and UA fees get passed on to the prisoner and the privatization of the prison industry is a goldmine so the oh it costs 100k to house a person for a year that figure is old doesn’t really show the goldmine that prisoners is in phone calls that cost insane amounts of money food that is overpriced these magazines that families have to buy clothes and blankets from that are so overpriced

The prison system is a rigged con against the poor milking them dry from money they don’t have
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Don’t forget using chemical band aids long term like ssris!
 
Cool down man.Don't believe in this bullshit,but if this make you happy or comfortable-believe.Poland and Baltics are different nations.Don't get you fear with this.That is in favour of militaristic groups to scared people,that Putin is a new Hitler,new antichrist.....such a propaganda.In fact in historical terms Poland have their land in Western Ukraine.Zelenski already gave his land with new law-poland(and Lituania) could have government position,being judges in ,but that Ukranians could not do that in Poland?What about this.Rech Pospolita n3.And i am not a fan of Putin,nor the war,nor wanna live in Russia(or Ukraine).....just some people made a big,big mistake
 
I love how Nazis are the absolute worst thing in the world until it comes time to support Nazis in Ukraine....

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^ This wasn't a "shock" to me at all. Since I can tell when the media is lying.
 
Nas47 said:
Cool down man.Don't believe in this bullshit,but if this make you happy or comfortable-believe.Poland and Baltics are different nations.Don't get you fear with this.That is in favour of militaristic groups to scared people,that Putin is a new Hitler,new antichrist.....such a propaganda.In fact in historical terms Poland have their land in Western Ukraine.Zelenski already gave his land with new law-poland(and Lituania) could have government position,being judges in ,but that Ukranians could not do that in Poland?What about this.Rech Pospolita n3.And i am not a fan of Putin,nor the war,nor wanna live in Russia(or Ukraine).....just some people made a big,big mistake
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People in the west mostly follow the propaganda of their tribe. This basically is calling Putin hitler for both Sides. Those of us paying attention know better, but it’s only a small portion of the population. Good interview here
 
JGrimez said:
I love how Nazis are the absolute worst thing in the world until it comes time to support Nazis in Ukraine....

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^ This wasn't a "shock" to me at all. Since I can tell when the media is lying.
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Alwful is,that nazis are in Israeli government....even in yours-a shade figures stand behind,which nobody knows him or seen their faces(just handful of persons)
 
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