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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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December Flower said:
What the Allies did to the German population is fucking unforgiveable. We have never forgiven you,
maybe our government but not the people. I have a lot of elderly patients who grew up in the post war.

You have no fucking idea how bad it was. They all had no fucking childhood.
They had to be adults often at 6 or 7 years old. I mean pull corpses from rubble as a child, it's going to follow you around forever.
The patient I was referring to still hasn't forgotten it, especially the image of a young woman he had to pull out of the rubble haunts him.
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that's terrible

but you do know that you guys were bombing London every night for a while there right?
 
December Flower said:
It's so shocking, you just need to know about WTC 7 and you know the government did lie,
and very non-chalantly. How is it not obvious how much the US government lies about?
There was no reason for Afghanistan, other than to kill a dictator they had financed in the 80s.
It's so ridiculous, I just don't get how it's not obvious...

What the Allies did to the German population is fucking unforgiveable. We have never forgiven you,
maybe our government but not the people. I have a lot of elderly patients who grew up in the post war.

You have no fucking idea how bad it was. They all had no fucking childhood.
They had to be adults often at 6 or 7 years old. I mean pull corpses from rubble as a child, it's going to follow you around forever.
The patient I was referring to still hasn't forgotten it, especially the image of a young woman he had to pull out of the rubble haunts him.
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My prediction is that all of these people who think they're safe in their 21st century bubble of technological invincibility - very soon they're going to witness mass death and they're either going to die or they're going to wake the fuck up.
 
mal3volent said:
Dude, @December Flower , when you wake up in the middle of the night to go piss and accidentally stub your toe in the dark, do you yell out "goddamn Americans! Uggghhh!!" ?

just wondering.
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Ofc. I'm German. It's your fault our new houses are so shabby :ROFLMAO:
Bit of a Schenkelklopfer, because my house was built in 1850

But honestly: don't be silly, I don't stub my toe

Mr. Krinkle said:
that's terrible

but you do know that you guys were bombing London every night for a while there right?
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And that's the women and children's fault how exactly?
 
JGrimez said:
My prediction is that all of these people who think they're safe in their 21st century bubble of technological invincibility - very soon they're going to witness mass death and they're either going to die or they're going to wake the fuck up.
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Yup. At least here in Europe, we're fucked essentially

This is where the proxy war will happen at least, that plan has been in motion for over 3 decades.
Once Russia is weakened, I don't know..I guess good luck, everyone that isn't US :ROFLMAO:
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
oh ok - so you guys didnt start killing women and children first?
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umm? Not entirely sure what you're referring to?
We usually killed communists & Jews first.

All that aside: since when is the counter-measure to murderous sadistical rampage murderous sadistical rampage?
Of what importance was it for you, as the ..so called "good guys" to bomb the fucking shit out of a civilian population,
that had no right to vote in the first place :ROFLMAO: all the males died in Stalingrad. What even was the meaning behind it?
Easy. You could tell your populations "We bombed the fuckers and now they're gone!",
while all the high-ranking Nazis disappeared (some even got help from the US/check out Krunoslav Dranovic and ratlines. He worked for the CIC and multiple other secret services and was responsible for taking high-ranked Nazis out of Germany) and the population paid their price.

And OK, fine, let's say you didn't know, you probably didn't - why not help rebuilding then?
..like..not leave it to women and children to rebuild all that shit?
not leave women and children dreaming of being allowed to put butter on bread?..in the 20th century....
I mean c'mon.

Na you offered a bit money. Great, that helped our politicians get a fancier mansion, wonderful.
The Russians actually sent people to rebuild. The Russians freed the concentration camps.
The Russians let us reunite and didn't fire a single shot while just moving their tanks out of our country.
The US thought us complete monsters, occupied us, Americanized us, and didn't help a peep to rebuild.
I don't know about "good guys", but you're not them.
 
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JGrimez said:
No it isn't. Because those same people didn't give a toss about 10K+ dead Ukrainians in the civil conflict since 2014.
They literally give a fuck about whatever the deceptive news media tells them to give a fuck about.
Now they're virtue-signalling like crazy.
Pathetic.


Also I like how the people who claim to care about human lives turn into bloodthirsty warmongers whenever it's a Russian that dies.
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Bruh, there's a difference between joking about something and seriously being "bloodthirsty".

I personally am opposed to war in any form. And why is it your main prerogative to "catch" people in these little hypocrisies or whatever? What value does that bring?

Why don't you put your own views forward instead of simply trying to criticize what others believe?
 
somnilicious said:
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't moking him for sitting in a bunker fearing for his life. I was mocking the other poster saying he is the one that should be ashamed for political postering when Putin brought this hell down on his people. It was sarcasm.
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I am going to take a flyer here and guess that the other poster was me yeah? My point was that he was scoring political points by not taking a free ride being offered by the USA and trying to milk that Memorial issue for what it was worth (and which we now today know didn’t even happen). What he did before is irrelevant even if he was a an unsuccessful comedian that bombed with every performance. Hope that clears up any misunderstandings between the two of you.
 
@December Flower

That's why ww2 got so out of control, we all wanted to mind our own business, and then everybody was wrong eventually, as is usually the case - it's war and innocent ppl die, which is why it needs to not happen, but if it does, we need to stop it, because that's where we are at this point in time

we've learned from the past....Germany learned from it's mistakes - that's progress

Russia is not progress - they're trying to be the Empire they once were - and they're not
 
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JGrimez said:
Also I like how the people who claim to care about human lives turn into bloodthirsty warmongers whenever it's a Russian that dies.
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Because Russia is invading and killing people of another country - so they need to die instead - that's how it is - they're soldiers - idk what's going on in their heads but they are killing people in Ukraine - and it's unprovoked
 
Well, we're all still here and I'm learning to be grateful for the little things...(not the little things that kill as the band bush wrote)
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
@December Flower

That's why ww2 got so out of control, we all wanted to mind our own business, and then everybody was wrong eventually, as is usually the case - it's war and innocent ppl die, which is why it needs to not happen, but if it does, we need to stop it, because that's where we are at this point in time

we've learned from the past....Germany learned from it's mistakes - that's progress

Russia is not progress - they're trying to be the Empire they once were - and they're not
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nonono. They want your respect. But they don't have it.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
man all of you guys - your pro-moscow rebuttals are all terrible
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I'm not pro-moscow. I'm con both of you fuckers that have to play dick-measuring chess.

I'm con the portrayal of moscow by the Western media, that's true. Putin's a fucking ass, no doubt about it,
but he does have his reasons, and he's been trying diplomatically for years. Our media makes it look like he's just on a power trip,
and that's what people assume. That he is in a fight-or-die catch-22 is not mentioned. That's what I disagree with.

Journalism should cover all aspects, but it doesn't
 
In a crass attempt to act my age (mature) as opposed to my bra size (it’s just a saying so don’t anyone gi getting confused)


And possibly even act as a voice of reason:

I submit to everyone interested in this topic that these unfortunate events should be seen in isolation. There are too many arguments being made that Country A did this to/ in Country B ( and fucked it up). Or That Country A did something decades ago so anybody from Country A should then butt out. Nothing that any other countries have done in the past should be used as yardsticks. It is divisive and can serve to alienategoodvfreinds and fellow members. And the whole day today been thinking about this. Reminds me of the Presidential elections. You could not get a straight answer out of a candidate when interviewed. The default response that you just instinctively knew was coming was well just look at the other side (party) and whatbtheybarevdoing and what promises are being made to clinch the election

If these were ANY other two neighbouring countries and one had the same security concerns. This thread would not exist and everyone would be at peace with each other. Granted no other aggressorwould have proceeded with the fanfare of Russia or as somebody else very cleverly put earlier somewhere on the thread “RazzPutin”. With all the shit that’s hit the fan things suddenly got very real and his concerns and objections seem to have been all but forgotten about valid as some agreed before this debacle. In other words forget that this is Russia under President Putin. He cooked his goose with many here already last year when he arrested those Navalny supporters.Well true to form that count has jumped by 1 900from what I hear I guess it goes without saying and not even necessary to triterate where zI am. Owing from where he is converted. But suffice ton say I dot not believe that he has lost the plot or hone insane nor is a warmonger. If he were any of those he could quite easily have already played the BIH cards by now because seems to me neither he nor zrussia got too much more to lose and maybe that should be factored in by some on the global stage i.e. a Eussia with NOTHING MORE TO LOSEAND EVERYTHING TO GAIN BY LOSING IT SPECTACULARLY.
 
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deficiT said:
Bruh, there's a difference between joking about something and seriously being "bloodthirsty".

I personally am opposed to war in any form. And why is it your main prerogative to "catch" people in these little hypocrisies or whatever? What value does that bring?

Why don't you put your own views forward instead of simply trying to criticize what others believe?
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I put forward my views all the time.
And I do that to show people that they're regurgitating lies.
I don't expect them to accept it though as many people are literally under a form of hypnosis.
It's also fun.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Because Russia is invading and killing people of another country - so they need to die instead - that's how it is - they're soldiers - idk what's going on in their heads but they are killing people in Ukraine - and it's unprovoked
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"it's unprovoked" that's a lie and shows ignorance of the situation.

There's a concept called "lightswitch-brain" thinking.
It's when there's only 2 options for people or 2 extremes.
They fail to understand the intricacies and nuances of a situation.

"Russia invade. Russia bad. Ukraine not invade. Ukraine good"

Get a clue.
 
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