Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

[Illyria99]

To the people who cannot distinguish facts from Russian propaganda

there are neo nazi and right wing fringe groups in Germany, Russia, the uk, the United States and Ukraine every country basically has that unfortunate problem
the blatant propaganda of using peacekeeping and stopping nazis as a guise for war is bullshit that no one save a handful of trump supporters and Putin dick riders believe.

Is it ironic that isreal and the us are arming nazis or is it just that they arent dumb enough to fall for the word of a kgb/gru/dictator unlike trump who is a putin fan boy and teenybopper level Stan of basically any dictator. Jan 6 was his attempt to become one himself yet for his loyal followers there is no line they will not tote, and nothing too gross for them to parrot with religious fervor


Switzerland has set aside their neutrality and freezes assets which they are Switzerland they never pick a side! They are picking a fucking side this is historic

and Germany sends arms to Ukraine
which you might not know this but they NEVER ever ever do that!
Do you think Germany is going to change its policy of never sending munitions to conflict zones they are going to do so to arm nazis? Really?
think about the optics on that for a minute
Germans breaking their ban on sending munitions to arm nazis


you can look at the reaction of the entire world; historic shifts in policy

look at Russia where the Russian people are filling the streets in protest against Putin and this war

or you can take the opinion of Donald trump; dictator worshiper and moral cypher and parrot putins lies for him and say shameful disgusting things like F Ukraine because you lack the ability to delineate fact from fiction.

Sorry, couldn't get through this post, as the spelling and grammar are absolutely atrocious.

Next time you decide to enlighten anyone with "facts," make sure your target audience understands what you're trying to say.

Just a thought.

 

[JGrimez]

Crimea was gifted from Russia during the 1950s which in itself was questioned as a violation of the Soviet constitution for many years before the 2014 transfer....so i can see why Russia might of wanted it back and i don't think that was a big deal - more of a technicality if you ask me - but still, it was over 20 years later after the fall of the soviet union - so i think they shouldve taken it back then, not later....

i thought i remembered reading that they had an election in Crimea that may or may not have been rigged too - it was something ridiculous like almost 100% voted to become part of Russia lol we all know that's not how election results pan out - if they would've said 70% ok thats a little more believable

Crimeans are ethnic Russians. Of course they're going to vote to re-join Russia when the West carries out a coup in Ukraine and installs an illegitimate government. It's a no-brainer. Russia needs access to their Navy fleet via Crimea. If the USA is in charge of a puppet government they could just block access. That's why Russians took control of Crimea. They had troops stationed there already under agreement.

so let's see, we've had Russian propaganda here, quotes from Arab sites that are anti-american, and people claiming it's not really happening, it's all staged


am i missing anything else?

Why is US propaganda better than Russian propaganda? Because it's in a language you can understand?

RT proved itself during the Syrian war to report more honestly and objectively than every single news outlet from the West. Russia totally exposed the US during that conflict, but for the people who think "RT = Russia = bad", they totally missed it all and continue to eat up BS from the US. They probably still think that Assad gassed his own people and that the US has a right to be there. Sorry but no.

 

[JGrimez]

Vladimir Putin approval rating: 71%
Joe Biden approval rating: 41%

Guess which one is the "democracy"

 

[dalpat077]

Well. Here’s my contribution for the morning…

Three videos taken from my “Fact checking history” thread. When creating that thread and posting these I had absolutely no idea nor an incling that we’d be here discussing an actual invasion. Same with my Vladimir Putin thread.

Reason for posting these: they put this shit show in historical context. And a few enlightening facts about other stuff that ain’t being mentioned anywhere of late. And I have endeavoured to the best of my ability to check for historical accuracy insofar as names, dates (years) are concerned and I am fairly certain that there is little opinion being offered I.e. factually correct and untarnished by biased narratives.

And I do not post these in order to sanction or green light what is going currently. I just think it makes sense to take a look back at history. But that’s just me of course I.e. I like to start at the beginning of things:helps me to see things in context and understand current events and not just as it pertains to this sit show only.

I hope some find these things interesting and useful and if not sorry wasting people’s time.. then again this better than laying into my fellow forum members and telling them theydon’t know what they’re talking about I guess.

And should a few take the time to watch an absorb some of the shit. Bear in mind that President Putin is a keen historian so he knows about all of this historical shit. And without knowing the man personally I would stick my neck out and say that some of this history may have played a part in his decision making processes. My point being I guess that over the centuries just S soon as somebody has seen a gap they’ve taken it upon themselves to fuck with Russia. And having NATO on your doorstep in a country that is anti-Russia creates such a gap








Side note: I see/ hear there ain’t no shortage of lowlife politicians (like vultures) taking sides and telling the world and their respective countries what they wish to hearand using this unfortunate turn of events to score as much political mileage as possible.

 

[dalpat077]

Here is an interesting interview(live right now but will be available for a while on the same link and if that changes will update the link): if you listen and let it finish you should be able to continue listening to the livenews feed for the rest of the day: arguably the most up-to-date news you will get on these events i.e. news breaks on World Service news before appearing on TV somewhere and during the day numerous interviews with Ukranian refugees and citiznses and that are in the thick of things in Ukraine) and interviews with Russian citizens;

Andrey Kurkov: Putin's attack on Ukraine's identity​

Stephen Sackur speaks to Ukrainian novelist Andrey Kurkov. He was born in Russia, writes in Russian and now fears for his life at the hands of Russian troops. What does his personal story tell us about Moscow’s attempt to undermine Ukraine’s independence and identity?

BBC World Service - HARDtalk, Andrey Kurkov: Putin's attack on Ukraine's identity

Stephen Sackur speaks to one of Ukraine's most celebrated novelists

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[December Flower]

He's a Russian mole. We've known this for years. He's tried to say he's an American citizen. He lived in Australia now he lives in Ukraine. Nobody believes a word that comes out of his mouth. Trying to pass off the BS that comes out of his mouth as being something an American citizen says is laughable.

waitwaitwaitwaitwait - who would pay someone to go on the internet to 'eavesdrop' on a bunch of addicts?!
And why would anyone pay someone to go on the internet to 'eavesdrop' on addicts?!
You are a fucking master of deduction.

USA just isn't very popular, outside of USA

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

 

[JGrimez]

waitwaitwaitwaitwait - who would pay someone to go on the internet to 'eavesdrop' on a bunch of addicts?!
And why would anyone pay someone to go on the internet to 'eavesdrop' on addicts?!
You are a fucking master of deduction.

USA just isn't very popular, outside of USA

It would be hilarious if it's wasn't so stupid.
5 years ago when I was exposing the crimes of Hillary Clinton I was a Russian bot (still can't work out if they thought I was an actual bot or just paid by the Kremlin).
Nowadays when I point out that Covid most likely came out of bio-weapons lab at Fort Detrick, MD - they call me a Chinese spy.
But now they've reverted back - when I point out all of the US politicians' corruption in Ukraine - I'm a Russian bot again.

It's actually sad that it's considered bizarre to hold your own countries accountable when they do the wrong thing.
And having multiple citizenship seems to confuse some Americans (the ones who probably don't have passports).

Anyway that old dude has been flaming me for years. I reported his comments (instead of responding like I normally do and getting infracted by the mods) so let's see if they do anything about it.

 

[JGrimez]

Serbian president challenges pro-censorship forces to unseat him - if they want Russian media blackout

“Some of them would like to put all of us who think differently in a camp,” President Aleksandar Vučić said, commenting on the recent EU bans of RT and Sputnik amid Russia’s ‘special operation’ in Ukraine. “When they say they need freedom of the press, they’re thinking only about freedom for themselves,” Serbian leader continued, pivoting to the upcoming general election in the country. “…We’ll see who’s going to win — their consensus or a free democratic Serbia”.

NATO absolutely fucked Serbia in the 90's. They learned their lesson and they're not going to buy the West/NATO's bullshit like other countries will.

Avakov, Kolomoisky: Russia opens over 400 criminal cases against Ukrainian "war criminals"
The Russian government's list of people they plan to prosecute criminally includes all the commanders of militias who have participated in bombing the Donbas (Aidar, Azov, Right Sector, etc), the Jewish billionaires suspected of funding them (Ihor Kolomoisky) and several military officials who led operations in East Ukraine. They are being accused of racial genocide against the Russian people.

 

[dalpat077]

It would be hilarious if it's wasn't so stupid.
5 years ago when I was exposing the crimes of Hillary Clinton I was a Russian bot (still can't work out if they thought I was an actual bot or just paid by the Kremlin).
Nowadays when I point out that Covid most likely came out of bio-weapons lab at Fort Detrick, MD - they call me a Chinese spy.
But now they've reverted back - when I point out all of the US politicians' corruption in Ukraine - I'm a Russian bot again.

It's actually sad that it's considered bizarre to hold your own countries accountable when they do the wrong thing.
And having multiple citizenship seems to confuse some Americans (the ones who probably don't have passports).

Anyway that old dude has been flaming me for years. I reported his comments (instead of responding like I normally do and getting infracted by the mods) so let's see if they do anything about it.

Dude. If The Kremlin has even so much as sent you an email or a Christmas Card let alone pay you, you can tell your handlers from me that I’m out. Yeah. Jealousy makes a person nasty.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

everyday i go to bed and it's pro-west and i wake up and it's pro-moscow

i gotta wait for reinforcements to turn the tide - i woke up too early again

 

[dalpat077]

everyday i go to bed and it's pro-west and i wake up and it's pro-moscow

i gotta wait for reinforcements to turn the tide - i woke up too early again

Stay in bed then better yet: see if you can break the record for staying awake the longest(much better and clearer view).

 

[Nas47]

No connections with Russia.No internet,instagram,etc.Wait a parcel from my friend painter from Moscow.Some present for my wife's birthday.Tracking to site russian posts does not exist.Parcel is enter in my country last week.I guess this fuckin idiots burned the parcel from the enemy.Last that he had written was"Keep your self.God help".As I know ordinary people,which went through millitary going in war barracks.Thats a terrible,terrible new for me.....may be and for world.What a Horror!!!

 

[w01fg4ng]

Dude. If The Kremlin has even so much as sent you an email or a Christmas Card let alone pay you, you can tell your handlers from me that I’m out. Yeah. Jealousy makes a person nasty.

You still haven't even been have you?

Prolly not so easy these days...

 

[Nas47]

yea you love the Russians and you love Putin

and now you love clicking the report button

so you went from being a mole to being a rat

cool dude

Call -"love you",if there is someone in this dying world,that you love,which i really doubt.The Horror is comming.Can put another disgusting blaspheming picture for the last.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Call -"love you",if there is someone in this dying world,that you love,which i really doubt.The Horror is comming.Can put another disgusting blaspheming picture for the last.

what happened?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Zelenskyy condemns Russian missile attack on Holocaust memorial​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy condemned the Monday Russian airstrike that took out the Holocaust memorial site Babi Yar in the capital city of Kyiv in a news conference Tuesday, calling the destruction "beyond humanity."

"This is beyond humanity," Zelenskyy said, according to a translation from the Associated Press. "Such missile strike means that, for many Russians, our Kyiv is absolute foreign. They know nothing about our capital, about our history. They have orders to erase our history, our country and all of us."

"Russian mothers are losing their children in an absolute foreign country for them," he added. "Think about this number, almost 6,000 Russian soldiers were killed."

"To get what? Get Ukraine? It is impossible," Zelenskyy said, according to a translation from the Kyiv Independent. "This is not to be changed by missiles, bombs, tanks, any strikes. We are in our native land. And for the war against us there will be an International Tribunal for them."

The Ukrainian president went on to speculate about what other targets Russia might attack, if it attacked a Holocaust memorial.

"What will be next if even Babi Yar (is hit), what other 'military' objects, 'NATO bases' are threatening Russia?" Zelenskyy asked, according to AP. "Sophie's Cathedral, Lavra, Andrew's Church? Whatever they dream about. Damn them."

Russian President Vladimir Putin has attempted to justify his attack on Ukraine as an effort to "denazify" the country, playing on the Russian public's lingering hatred for the Nazi regime. Yet Zelenskyy is Jewish and had family members perish in the Holocaust. Russian officials have compared him to Jews who were forced to collaborate with Nazis.

Ukrainian officials have compared Russia's bombing of Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, to the Nazi assault on the city in 1941.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also compared Russia to Nazi Germany during attacks on Kyiv.

"Horrific Russian rocket strikes on Kyiv," Kuleba tweeted. "Last time our capital experienced anything like this was in 1941 when it was attacked by Nazi Germany. Ukraine defeated that evil and will defeat this one. Stop Putin. Isolate Russia. [Sever] all ties. Kick Russia out of [everywhere]."

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

^ that's fucked up

 

[dalpat077]

Zelenskyy condemns Russian missile attack on Holocaust memorial​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy condemned the Monday Russian airstrike that took out the Holocaust memorial site Babi Yar in the capital city of Kyiv in a news conference Tuesday, calling the destruction "beyond humanity."

"This is beyond humanity," Zelenskyy said, according to a translation from the Associated Press. "Such missile strike means that, for many Russians, our Kyiv is absolute foreign. They know nothing about our capital, about our history. They have orders to erase our history, our country and all of us."

"Russian mothers are losing their children in an absolute foreign country for them," he added. "Think about this number, almost 6,000 Russian soldiers were killed."

"To get what? Get Ukraine? It is impossible," Zelenskyy said, according to a translation from the Kyiv Independent. "This is not to be changed by missiles, bombs, tanks, any strikes. We are in our native land. And for the war against us there will be an International Tribunal for them."

The Ukrainian president went on to speculate about what other targets Russia might attack, if it attacked a Holocaust memorial.

"What will be next if even Babi Yar (is hit), what other 'military' objects, 'NATO bases' are threatening Russia?" Zelenskyy asked, according to AP. "Sophie's Cathedral, Lavra, Andrew's Church? Whatever they dream about. Damn them."

Russian President Vladimir Putin has attempted to justify his attack on Ukraine as an effort to "denazify" the country, playing on the Russian public's lingering hatred for the Nazi regime. Yet Zelenskyy is Jewish and had family members perish in the Holocaust. Russian officials have compared him to Jews who were forced to collaborate with Nazis.

Ukrainian officials have compared Russia's bombing of Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, to the Nazi assault on the city in 1941.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also compared Russia to Nazi Germany during attacks on Kyiv.

"Horrific Russian rocket strikes on Kyiv," Kuleba tweeted. "Last time our capital experienced anything like this was in 1941 when it was attacked by Nazi Germany. Ukraine defeated that evil and will defeat this one. Stop Putin. Isolate Russia. [Sever] all ties. Kick Russia out of [everywhere]."

Meh. This just posturing. And Zelensky himself should be ashamed. That missile, from what I can gather was meant to take out a TV /Broadcast Tower and the memorial just happened to be in the right place at the wrong time. But this will now be milked for all it’s worth politically speaking.