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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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JGrimez said:
yeah but it's a little different me saying that I would leave an online forum and then coming back. Pretty much the only people who thought I should honor that bet were the ones who don't like what I have to say (which is the real reason why you can't get over it). I also think that you would return here eventually if you lost.

with that said, you're implying that I lied once so people shouldn't believe anything that I say? But you still believe the BS experts like Fauci and co. regarding this covid nonsense - so you either should take what I say from now on seriously, or agree that Fauci and the gang are not to be trusted.
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Some people just can never give up the goar.

And goats can be so petty, immature, unconstructive and pedantic. I havevto rub my eyes at the bleats at times.
 
chinup said:
you keep harping on about isolation but viruses are generally cultured in host cells and you remove the reads from the host cells in silico. this is incredibly basic. i don't know why i'm still bothering responding to you tbh. you can tell that the cultured virus is not part of the host cell by sequencing the host cell by itself and noting the absence of the putative viral reads.

really feel for people close to you that get covid, your manner is upsetting enough to people enduring covid and long covid on here. it must be incredibly isolating, but i've said before, i'm glad for that in your case.
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Yeah, and that's my point. Not once has a virus EVER been isolated directly from the sample itself, or from the host whether it be human, animal, plant, or fluid. It's always via cell culture. And not once have viruses been seen in-vivo either.

And again you're putting the cart before the horse, relying on 'sequencing' to prove your own ideology about virology, and that is circular logic. You can't confront that very simple point can you? Virology has created a delusional belief system based on the foundational methodology that it decided was valid despite it being clearly bullshit. The history of virology since the 50's clearly shows an industry desperate to not go out of business, willing to reinvent itself whatever the cost.

I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill or died. Not one. It has been no different to any other years, some getting a little bit ill, some sniffles. The statistics prove this entire pandemic is a politically motivated fraud, convincing people of a false reality through the TV. It's not hard to decipher if you just bother to look at the real statistics. You'll never accept that possibility though, because you're in the field of virology which is a religious belief system. I do however know people who've had reactions to these bullshit pharmaceutical products.
 
i don't have an ideology about virology. that makes no sense. my religious beliefs are none of your business but not related to my professional life. i don't rely on sequencing, we have epidemiological data, clinical data, imaging techniques, a whole plethora of different methodologies pointing to the same conclusion.

what statistics prove the entire pandemic is a politically motivated fraud? the > 5 million dead?

link me the 'real' statistics.

i've had glandular fever twice, i'd love for that virus to not exist. it ruined my life. but it does, and you not believing that doesn't change it.
 
also i'm not in the field of virology ffs i've literally said about one thousand times i'm a bioinformatician and i do microbial metagenomics.

i doubt that matters to you.

i've also preivously worked in crop and cancer genomics, are they religious belief systems too?

how about linux? blast? bash? python? am i performing a religious rite when i open up my computer and start writing some code? how do i worship? what are my scriptures?
 
chinup said:
what statistics prove the entire pandemic is a politically motivated fraud? the > 5 million dead?
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Haha. Classic. You jump straight to the governments anti-scientific statistics. "5 million" positive test results, and in my country (UK) if you test positive and die within 28 days you're a CV19 death. Ridiculous and clearly bullshit. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the tests themselves are complete and utter bullshit too.

The average age of morality is above the national average, 82. From the ONS (UK) the deaths per million is nothing out of the ordinary on a monthly basis, with the exception of Apr/May 2020 (Midazolam, forced vent deaths). In fact if you examine it there are multiple years since 1990 where the figures were higher per month, especially over the winter months, and that's with something like 10 million people less in the country and less older people proportionally!
 
chinup said:
what statistics prove the entire pandemic is a politically motivated fraud? the > 5 million dead?
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Even if it was 5 million dead (with the "covid death toll" being highly dubious and already picked apart), how many people die each year?
How many people are still dying right now from conditions - many of them preventable - in numbers greater than covid?
How many people have died as a result of lockdowns and the subsequent economic carnage?
Why are covid deaths more significant than other deaths, as if covid is the only thing that we should be focusing on?

It's obvious to see what's going on because all of these new rules are predicated on "protecting public health". So if they routinely continue to do the opposite then the objective observer will ask the incredibly difficult question "Why? What's really going on?" This doesn't make sense. But simply asking that question is opening up a potential reality that many do not want to accept. The irony here is that if everyone had a bit of courage and were willing to accept what was going on then we'd have the collective power to end it all instantly. But a significant amount people have chosen to give away all their power so unfortunately everyone has to deal with the consequences.
 
amazing. who runs the ONS? give you a clue their website is gov.uk - but i 'jump straight to the government...'

this is fantastic. i don't know if you're being hilarious on purpose but thanks for the chuckle.

also, because someone was above the average age, its OK to die prematurely. just wow.

can you please point me to the exact page you're getting this from, cos here is the ONS page, and it contradicts your claims, look at the excess mortality index:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...icles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths
 
chinup said:
grimez no one is claiming covid deaths are more significant. this is a covid thread which is why we are discussing deaths due to covid.

you guys have nothing so you resort to strawmen and whatabouterry.
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If you didn't think they were more significant then you wouldn't use them as emotional justification for supporting lockdowns and other nonsense covid restrictions.
 
JGrimez said:
If you didn't think they were more significant then you wouldn't use them as emotional justification for supporting lockdowns and other nonsense covid restrictions.
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supporting safety measures isn't a value judgement and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

the fact is, i can stop myself from being a vector for transmissible disease and do so gladly. but i can't stop my neighbours eating crap, smoking, not exercising, being in a freak accident, having a genetic disorder, being murdered by a serial killer, or not having their cancer diagnosed til its too late cos the government has underfunded the NHS for so long (given i didn't vote for the ruling party and i've never even lived in a location where my vote counted cos of our broken system).
 
JGrimez said:
Florida Reports Lowest Daily COVID Cases Per Capita in the Country as Lockdown States See Rise in Infections
townhall.com

Florida Reports Lowest Daily COVID Cases Per Capita in the Country as Lockdown States See Rise in Infections

Florida reported the lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita in the U.S. despite criticisms launched toward Gov. Ron DeSantis for his handling of the virus while states with strict
townhall.com townhall.com

Does anyone still support lockdowns?
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Errr... Not so fast you're missing the below from your headline/narrative"

"He opened the 25 state-supported monoclonal antibody sites and provided that treatment all over the state free of charge to over 150,000 Floridians. saved thousands of lives, and that happened starting in August,""

Which is only administered after infection. And not available everywhere. You're not comparing apples with apples.
 
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chinup said:
amazing. who runs the ONS? give you a clue their website is gov.uk - but i 'jump straight to the government...'

also, because someone was above the average age, its OK to die prematurely. just wow.
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I said the real statistics i.e. the overall mortality rates going back to 1990, not the statistics produced under the banner of Covid testing. We are counting people in the "deaths" who have merely tested positive within 28 days.. that is not real statistical data, that is politically motivated data collection. We've heard in the media that those working in the ONS have complained because the government is deliberately misrepresenting their data too.

You, the PhD wonder-child, are now resorting to cheap pleas to emotion and denigration, once again proving my earlier point that you can't see what's right in front of you even when you say it. I did not say its 'OK to die prematurely', and I don't appreciate you accusing me of something that is absolutely and obviously false to anyone here who can read. The average age of mortality is above the national average, that is a simple statement of fact.
 
chinup said:
supporting safety measures isn't a value judgement and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

the fact is, i can stop myself from being a vector for transmissible disease and do so gladly. but i can't stop my neighbours eating crap, smoking, not exercising, being in a freak accident, having a genetic disorder, being murdered by a serial killer, or not having their cancer diagnosed til its too late cos the government has underfunded the NHS for so long (given i didn't vote for the ruling party and i've never even lived in a location where my vote counted cos of our broken system).
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The number of missed cancer screenings (not to mention countless other checks and non-elective procedures) due to nonsense covid restrictions have no doubt resulted in many deaths. Why isn't there obsessive media hooplah about that? Instead NY state is firing 70,000 healthcare workers who decided they do not need a pharmaceutical injection in order to do their jobs. If you support lockdowns then you support destroying people's lives. For what? To save lives?

"We will save you to death" - that's the mantra of people who still support lockdowns and covid restrictionsn.

Economies are crumbling and a ridiculous number of people are losing their livelihoods. The only way you can justify all of this is if you believe that covid is an extremely deadly virus and that lockdowns, distancing and masks are a good idea. Which they really aren't as a few examples of specific countries and states have shown. The evidence is to the contrary but it's not about objective evidence anymore. It's more of a belief/cult/religion.

So apart from wearing a mask and keeping a distance from people, have you done anything to significantly reduce yourself being a vector for transmission? Like improving your personal immunity?

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I said the real statistics i.e. the overall mortality rates going back to 1990, not the statistics produced under the banner of Covid testing. We are counting people in the "deaths" who have merely tested positive within 28 days.. that is not real statistical data, that is politically motivated data collection. We've heard in the media that those working in the ONS have complained because the government is deliberately misrepresenting their data too.
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It's strange when people either deny this or refuse to address it. How can you believe the extent of the death toll when health authorities have clearly stated on camera that they're inaccurately including certain deaths into the overall tally?
 
JGrimez said:
The number of missed cancer screenings (not to mention countless other checks and non-elective procedures) due to nonsense covid restrictions have no doubt resulted in many deaths. Why isn't there obsessive media hooplah about that? Instead NY state is firing 70,000 healthcare workers who decided they do not need a pharmaceutical injection in order to do their jobs. If you support lockdowns then you support destroying people's lives. For what? To save lives?
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this is a completely false equivalence. i know that cancer screenings went down hugely cos my old colleagues who collaborated wth a huge cancer diagnostic lab had the lab and their job repurposed overnight for covid testing.

how many deaths have covid restrctions resulted in? i am sure there have been extra suicides, and people in NA have relapsed in droves. fucking hell i fucking relapsed and went from complete abstinence to an alcohol problem and an eating disorder. but those numbers are hugely lower than what would have happened without restrictions. the prevalence of long covid means that a significant proportion of the workforce would have been taken out, your healthcare providers, your farmers, people transporting essential goods. if we had allowed a significant proportion of working aged people to be forced to leave the workforce due to ill health, the consequences would have been far worse than those of the lockdowns.

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I said the real statistics i.e. the overall mortality rates going back to 1990, not the statistics produced under the banner of Covid testing. We are counting people in the "deaths" who have merely tested positive within 28 days.. that is not real statistical data, that is politically motivated data collection. We've heard in the media that those working in the ONS have complained because the government is deliberately misrepresenting their data too.
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link it.

i have looked at a large range of excess death statistics and none of them agree with your claims. like if you just look at the raw mortality numbers without causes, total mortality per 100k per month, the differences are vast. we also saw a "correction", i.e. a decrease in excess deaths in some age groups for a few months basically cos that's when older people who died of covid already would have died anyway.

if you're so convinced you have the real statistics, post them with citations. otherwise you're just one of the most severe manifestations of dunning kruger i have every seen. if you can't post a single link i have no idea why you expect to be taken seriously.
 
chinup said:
if you're so convinced you have the real statistics, post them with citations. otherwise you're just one of the most severe manifestations of dunning kruger i have every seen. if you can't post a single link i have no idea why you expect to be taken seriously.
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The ONS site is deliberately obtuse. Someone submitted a FOI request (there are numerous):

Deaths in the UK from 1990 to 2020​

Deaths in the UK from 1990 to 2020 - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

The following two snapshots are taken from ONS datasets compiled to XLS, obviously from other FOI requests. The figures differ slightly but you can see they are clearly based around the same dataset as the pattern correlates between the two snapshots and the table in the link above. Even on the ONS website the requests figures don't always match precisely between FOIs either.

Where's the pandemic. Again, apart from April/May 2020 (which we know is due to deliberate government/NHS policy killing people), where the fuck is the pandemic?

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what is your source for the tables. they aren't in the link you provided or the associated spreadsheet downloaded.

according to the link you provided the mortality rates, both crude and and age standardised mortality rates were > 100 higher in 2020 compared to the preceeding years. there's your pandemic. from your own source.
 
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