Moral arguments for and against Dealing Drugs?

[JoshLobbs]

just wondering if you guys think its moral or immoral to deal drugs. like I mean is it a moral good to start dealing cause people need drugs and their will always be a need or like is it immoral to start dealing drugs cause its increasing the availability of them.
I'm currently on the side that its immoral but only slightly edging away from moral neutrality.

 

[Yourbaker]

Its really a personal question because only you are in your situation. It also depends somewhat on what drugs you are planning on dealing or in which political domain.

If you wanted to sell weed and lived in BC no one would care unless you sold to elementary school kids. I buy from a woman who also runs a daycare so I can only pick up after 6.

Hard drugs or party drugs kind of the same really, avoid kids sell clean product from reputable suppliers and think like a good bartender, is your client getting in trouble?

Many of us will always use drugs and all of us will sometimes, so dealing is honest work, try to approach it professionally and build a client base. Be knowledgeable and understand only a few people are still alive that fear drugs and demonize their use, production and sales. You would really just be in the last few days of prohibition depending on where or what, after this is over a great dealer will be like a great bakery or coffee shop

 

[Foreigner]

No I don't. Mind altering and euphoria are things that humans of all walks of life seek. The only thing that makes drug dealing immoral is when it's forced to operate in a society where harm reduction is totally eliminated and users are criminalized.

 

[G_Chem]

Depends on the drug.

I definitely sold some shit when I was younger. Started off with weed, opiates and sometimes cocaine. Nothing but negativity came from it. Then later in life I started moving psychedelics and empathogens, which brought about a completely different way of life with none of the same negativity that came along…

But over time I felt bad even selling those, mainly because I felt an experience so profound shouldn’t be something people should pay for. So nowadays I help out the people I can (for free) and karma rewards me properly.

-GC

 

[dragonix]

Good question. I recently found myself seriously planning on distributing bulk mushrooms and cannabis on the streets mainly hippy festivals and music events I mean by that but my conscience could not allow me to now however I am thinking of spiritual consequences but also wouldn't want youth buying any of it which will inevitably happen anyways like adults can do whatever they want to basically for better or worse for them and others but a developing brain is at risk of development issues so like selling drugs to minors in that sense like harmful ones and there is no limit to how much they can get is pretty harmful in my eyes

 

[plumbus-nine]

Dealing drugs is just a business like any other, only that the law says no-no to it but it's demand and supply as long as you deal honest (know what you sell, only stuff you'd take yourself, you know..) I find the immorality is when people cut drugs with shit for profit and sell stuff they'd never take themselves, or give free samples to teenagers to turn them into addicted customers.. that sort of stuff is immoral. Drugs as such, they're just tools. You're basically a black-market hobby pharmacist.

Well, I have a bad feeling about shared deschloroketamine and methoxetamine I gave to buddies who also were into drugs but none of them did a dissociative before and two got a transient psychosis from overdosing the stuff... they were used to cut street drugs and railed much too big lines.. but I told them that it was potent, and they had as well a good time and a bad one, so.. somehow it's their responsability to take care for themselves, and they didn't have lasting consequences, thanks god but I know my dissociatives..

I was and am thinking about opening a RC shop, specially when the Netherlands ban all the goodies next year then somebody needs to satisfy the demand lol but Mexico's a bad country for that, I'd have to move.. and I don't need or want to see a jail from the inside again and guess I'd need good lawyers first... I know from one guy who's a very reputable RC shop in Germany and that's a pretty bad country too but he continues, was only once to jail when somebody snitched him and they thought he'd synth MDMA but was released and continues to sell..

I tried to import a sample gram of deschloroketamine, the shop told me they had successful shipments to here but my one hangs at customs for over a week now, guess I'll not get it into my hands..

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I mulled drugs for moral reasons years ago, so I like this question.

If mulled for self serving reasons, then I would say that, depending on the drug, pushing them would be wrong and I would be against it.

If for harm reduction the way I had planned, then I think I would be for the proposition.

We, as a society, create drug users, and to punish them instead of ourselves, is immoral.

All drugs should be legal, as then it comes under a doctors, care instead of a cops, who knows nothing of the full addiction picture.

Regards
DL

 

[plumbus-nine]

We, as a society, create drug users, and to punish them instead of ourselves, is immoral.

All drugs should be legal, as then it comes under a doctors, care instead of a cops, who knows nothing of the full addiction picture.

This, exactly. In Switzerland they made a step into the right direction when they had a open drug/heroin scene near the major station, first raided it but also made easily available substitution - a positive urine test was the only real requirement to get into methadone/morphine maintenance. One short visit every week or every second week, tell them everything ok, and get the pills for the next week. No supervised taking or other shit many countries do.

They also have a heroin program, this is more strict and think people need to inject under supervision for not to sell the stuff for whatever reason, I mean when you get pharm grade H, why sell it? But it is how it is. Stims and benzos are also more or less easily available when one needs them.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

This, exactly. In Switzerland they made a step into the right direction when they had a open drug/heroin scene near the major station, first raided it but also made easily available substitution - a positive urine test was the only real requirement to get into methadone/morphine maintenance. One short visit every week or every second week, tell them everything ok, and get the pills for the next week. No supervised taking or other shit many countries do.

They also have a heroin program, this is more strict and think people need to inject under supervision for not to sell the stuff for whatever reason, I mean when you get pharm grade H, why sell it? But it is how it is. Stims and benzos are also more or less easily available when one needs them.

The alcohol and drug lobby pay good bribes to governments to leave the drug laws as is.

Governments are the controllers of all illicit drug cartels.

Hear of any Kingpin arrested lately? Neither have I.

We war against our children while letting the pushers off the hook.

Nice parenting.

Regards
DL

 

[Snafu in the Void]

If human beings can sell something and make a profit, they will. No matter what it is.

It has more to do with greed than morals IMO

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

If human beings can sell something and make a profit, they will. No matter what it is.

It has more to do with greed than morals IMO

You are correct.

I understand the situation but fail to see the problem?

Our selfish gene is what keeps us alive and well individually and as a species?

Would you have it stop?

Regards
DL

 

[yubacity]

We all have a choice do drugs or don't we fuck our lives up not the dealer

 

[Stonemark69]

just wondering if you guys think its moral or immoral to deal drugs. like I mean is it a moral good to start dealing cause people need drugs and their will always be a need or like is it immoral to start dealing drugs cause its increasing the availability of them.
I'm currently on the side that its immoral but only slightly edging away from moral neutrality.

If they don't buy it from me, well they'll buy it from someone else, so my moral in this is just that! And i never ever sell to anyone i don't know already, No one under the age of 20 and never to people who are known as violent, psychotic or just plain idiots. Or those that i know pass it on to people under the age of 20. That is a major nono. Drugs can be great, and it can make your life awesome and is just great when used right, but it can also, in the wrong hands, be total fucking hell!! Bad, filthy, dangerous and it can fuck somebodys mind up all the way to the mental hospital. That's my views on it. Sorry för the bad english, i am from Scandinavia!

 

[plumbus-nine]

I'd say it's not about moral but unfortunately legal arguments against drug dealing for me. I'd love to sell good, pure stuff with leaflet and description etc. to people who want to expand their consciousness or just something better than alcohol, it would do good to society to have drugs readily and well-managed available instead of just having alcohol, cigs and violence as outlets for emotions but I don't wanna go jail so I don't sell drugs which is pretty sad.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

There are no moral arguments against drug use. Its a free world (or should be) and therefore you are allowed to use drugs since nobody gets hurt (expect maybe you family but thats another discussion)

 

[Mycophile]

Interesting question. Well, I will start by saying that I think the entire war on drugs is 100% IMMORAL. I believe any and all adults, aged 18 and older (maybe a bit younger like 16 for weed but 18 for other harder drugs) should be allowed to have any and all drugs they want for private use, so long as they are not operating heavy machinery or doing some kind of serious life-saving/threatening work while under the influence like being a surgeon, cop, working in the military, etc. The only other rules are that you should NEVER EVER be forcing anyone else to take anything they don't want, you should never mix anything with a drug you give someone as it should be pure, and if someone is mentally ill or impaired to the point that they may be unaware of what they are taking or doing even if over the age of 18, then that is a problem as well. Yes, an addict's family can suffer by proxy, but that's a different issue for a family to deal with on a personal level. A gambling addiction could do the same but we don't make that illegal...or well...we do, but we shouldn't...and also, no one pregnant should use drugs that could harm the fetus...

So that being said, because the war on drugs is IMO completely evil and immoral, does that equal the opposite, that dealing drugs is inherently moral??

I think you might be able to make a solid argument that it is moral. At the very least, because everyone should have access to what they want because everyone should have full bodily autonomy and choice over what they do with their own bodies and we are all denied that by the government, then in a way, those who defy the government and sell what we want are doing something that could be considered righteous and meeting a need we all rightfully deserve.

However, drug dealing as such with all the crime that can be associated with it can be very messy, so the issue isn't always that simple. If we all get what we want for a good price without anything ever being tainted, no one gets robbed or killed by gangs, no one drives under the influence, no one who sells the drugs uses that money to profit and then buy weapons and commit actual serious crimes, then the issue for morality in drug dealing is simpler.

But obviously if any of that bad shit is happening it's not moral.

So...if I were writing an essay supporting drug dealing as a moral activity I believe I could sell the argument, but only with the caveat that any immoral activities that happen through illicit drug dealing/or with the use of illicit drug money is actually the government's fault because they could regulate drugs and make sure they are sold without anything bad going down in the process.

 

[Mycophile]

Its really a personal question because only you are in your situation. It also depends somewhat on what drugs you are planning on dealing or in which political domain.

If you wanted to sell weed and lived in BC no one would care unless you sold to elementary school kids. I buy from a woman who also runs a daycare so I can only pick up after 6.

Hard drugs or party drugs kind of the same really, avoid kids sell clean product from reputable suppliers and think like a good bartender, is your client getting in trouble?

Many of us will always use drugs and all of us will sometimes, so dealing is honest work, try to approach it professionally and build a client base. Be knowledgeable and understand only a few people are still alive that fear drugs and demonize their use, production and sales. You would really just be in the last few days of prohibition depending on where or what, after this is over a great dealer will be like a great bakery or coffee shop

It would be really nice if this was true, but I think you are forgetting the world outside this forum lol.

We can never know percentage wise how people feel about drugs world-wide when it comes to these questions and there is a lot of grey area in between, but unfortunately, I think there are still a lot more people than you think who are against the usage of most drugs with the exception of weed which is growing in popularity and of course the legal drugs like booze and tobacco, when it comes to most of the drugs we discuss here and any kind of recreational usage of them I still think that quite a large percentage of the world is still against it.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

As I've gotten older I've come to look down on local dealers of certain substances. Mainly, opioids, cocaine, other types of pills, and crack. Pretty much everything but weed. I feel like it's bad for the community and they're not good people because they're willing to profit off the suffering of their own kind.

I actually have more respect for "racist" dealers than I do people that sell to their own neighborhood. I knew a black guy when I lived in a big city that sold crack, heroin, opioid pills, xanax, and everything else I guess. He was one of those one stop shop type of places. He had a lot of traffic and I came to spend a lot of time hanging out with him one-on-one. I'd buy my weekly usual from him and hang around for hours playing chess or talking about life with him.

I saw lots of his customers. None of them were black. He was way into black power Muslim old school Malcom X type philosophy. He didn't see any problem selling to crackers that were already junkies or crack heads anyway. I saw him move a lot of product in the time I spent with him. Everyone said he'd been there for 20 years selling at the same spot. His older brother was doing it before him. There was an entire clan living on the property and he was supporting at least 10-20 people with his profits.

I had more respect for him than all my own people back home selling opioids to their own kind. They constantly fuck each other over for a few pills or dollars. They're constantly causing problems or using in front of children. They're the reason the neighborhood is a shitty place to live. I don't have a problem with them doing whatever drugs they like but once they're causing problems for people living around them something should be done.

I would just prefer all drugs be legally sold at a corner store but anyone causing problems while using them is dealt with harshly. It would solve a lot of problems. At least then it could be somewhat contained to areas outside of where people are living. I say we bring back the opium dens and red light districts.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Oh and I don't think I'm better than these local dealers. I used to spread the same problems they do. I realized it was a bad thing for myself and everyone around me so I stopped. They all seem to want to keep going until they die or end up in prison. I know very few respectable opioid dealers. It's the main reason why I no longer take that class of drugs very often. Opioid dealers are always doing something shady. Even the chill ones get an attitude where they start acting like they own you or you aren't worth their time. It's the only class of drug where you can have plans to buy them for weeks only to have the dealer tell you on the day of that you've been out bid and will have to come off more money if you want the product. This happened to me countless times. It's the result of people calling each other's connections and offering more money out of desperation. Thus increasing the price for everyone. People will come from several states away just to out bid you.

I know discussing price here is discouraged and I'm trying really hard not to. It's just amazing to me that opioid pills are the only drug where I've seen this behavior. Not just in one area either. I saw it happening all over the country when Obama was president. It's still happening now just at a slower pace or so I've been told.

My point is opioid dealers are especially shady. Even the non-users. I've only met a handful that weren't this way and it was mostly because they didn't know what they had. Opioid dealers attract the type of junkies that steal car stereos and kick in your front door for your TV. I dislike like them for the same reason I dislike crack dealers. I don't like going out for cigarettes at 10pm and having to wade through a sea of zombie pill heads asking me for money, drugs, or a ride. I don't like worrying about my car all night. I don't like worrying about my place while I'm on vacation. I don't like those people finding out that I use.

 

[Jabberwocky]

just wondering if you guys think its moral or immoral to deal drugs. like I mean is it a moral good to start dealing cause people need drugs and their will always be a need or like is it immoral to start dealing drugs cause its increasing the availability of them.
I'm currently on the side that its immoral but only slightly edging away from moral neutrality.

It is moral. It is okay. If you want to sell, and someone wants to buy, then make the deal. Only winners there.

Editing: Okay, no selling to kids, of course! But selling to adults is perfectly fine.